[000:00:00;00] their speeches, he says the order in which the items are listed and how long they talked about each one absolutely and it matters, they determined and here we are at the summit that but i am convinced that china is not the main existential threat now in general, but the present for now for the usa and i will explain why? because china does not come out and does not threaten and does not say that we will use nuclear weapons. china does not come out and china does not wage an aggressive war. wait , what is the most important thing, and what is russia doing? it is doing the opposite, and here i confirmed your words. i confirm your words. now i'm with you, maybe it's wrong, i completely agree. i know a little about the mentality of the chinese , i lived there, i worked there, i know for sure that they are not opposed to america, they say yes , we have our own interests and like we will drive away everyone who means in the zone of our interests, but as russians they do not say what

america has done there, we do not agree with it and in general, their way of life is wrong , there is no such thing, even the communist china that exists now, and life there is at least built on in some western models , i would say yes , and the chinese know about it and accept it. intellectuals seem to be bright, the american reaction to the prigozhyn rebellion, that's why stridman writes a column in the uniwerk times and he writes if there are five and umy, but they are left-wing well, that's it. understanding awareness because, well, how can we say that if putin leaves, there will be chaos as we can and this is why i am talking about it because it is a fundamental

moment because when there is a moment that russia is a threat and it threatens nato and it threatens so or otherwise yes, ok, you can very well, i understand risk management, risk management, risk management, since escalation is all, but they sit and forecast. yes, there are analysts, thinkers, such quests, but come on. and how many mistakes did this lead to? get to know this mysterious russian the soul they wanted, i have said more than once. look, you were already wrong once when you thought that everything would be okay with yeltsin, the absolutely liberal project would work and everything would work out, now you say well, it is possible somewhere and putin is not like that , so ukraine must be supported, so we must help it everything is okay. nobody is saying, and that’s why it seems to me that until a reassessment takes place

in the very uh. sharp so his called a hawk and radical in relation to russia, and there are those who just understood what needs to be done, and he just understood, he just spoke as it is, he saw the situation, you know , i want to confirm you with one more quote , it is from fiction, absolutely literary, he was so wonderful already the british writer malkel bradbury died, not to be confused with ray , and he, uh, had such a semi-historical novel called in the hermitage, it’s about russia, but i’m not talking about it, there is a great quote when a historian talks to someone and says says we all make the same mistake, we think that the people of the past were the same as we just knew less, had less, had some household amenities, but in general, they are all the same in their heads. and this is similar to what you say. and it always seems to me too, well at least since the beginning of the full-scale war, what kind of west keeps

making the same mistake i call this to my head windows or others you know well , remember the belgian wall is falling scorpion sings they are not like that i mean the russians they are not like that it's a different mentality for them too moreover, you understand what the situation is, the west fits rationally, it fits like, well, from the point of view of what is normal, we can sit down at the table and talk about something, somehow agree , why should we immediately take out weapons and kill each other, we can talk, we are people , and in russia it is they perceive it as a weakness they make fun of it so they laugh look they look what they do on their propaganda what they make fun of all european politicians what they say about chancellor schultz what they say about others well, these are generally inadmissible things imitating hitler, which means absolutely, well, this is simply, well, this is nonsense. how can this be? you can say something uh-uh with some kind of claim if you are there. but within certain limits, you can

criticize him for something, but do not go beyond these framework, and they do it, and uh, but in the west, in spite of everything , not everyone understands this, what they still think, but no, well, anyway, well, somehow , it is possible to find some points of contact somewhere, some moment may come, maybe russia will be, but they will not be ready they only perceive it as we are we know that you can't talk a little earlier, and we were the last ones, they don't give up all their stockpiles of weapons that they only have to help ukraine, but they don't help us in any way to move closer to them, i mean in nato, and in general, what is the summit e- how did yesterday end? i wanted to say that yesterday was two days. what is the difference between this summit in 2008 and bucharest? good questions. what questions are there? there are many analogies . do you really understand what the situation is?

president bush, by the way, he was in favor and then by the way and then by the way, it is the same. there were times when these are interesting moments, in fact william burns is the current director - this is in russia. russia understood everything and it was all passed on to the president and he was told that it was necessary to act, they bit him putin, then it was just then the munich speech, it was putin’s speech just then , when he said about the city, the educational institution and then they already saw that well then just ahh germany and france were actually blocked. and now we see that there was a different position in the usa regarding the speeds of uh, and in germany, france has already left this track, that is, the majority , after all, we have transformed, the fact that most countries now support ukraine and this is

conditionally progress. progress and progress that canceled the pdc well, yes definitely, although in fact the pdc is an action plan regarding membership as it was said there were two steps and now one, but this one consists of conditionally there 35 stages yes well, that is, he understands what it consists of why is the main question, we wanted certainty, we spoke in front of ourselves. there, the president of ukraine also spoke and other officials, we need certainty , well , it is clear. when i talk about the guarantee, why do i say when we need to fix on paper quickly everything we can fix because this is our chance. by the way , this summit is different from 2008. because here there is an option that can compensate us for that

that we are not joining nato now in the near future and here in what year they simply did not allow us to be compensated so well and this is why we have to grab of course. that is, you mean the declaration of support for ukraine and how it is related to working from it and then there are options, here we talked, i mentioned nortfeko and the arctic union before the recording, and we talked about the fact that nordic defense action is how they work very simply, they work, they determined for themselves that these are the countries that are located in the north, so they have is connections and historical long-term all a-a business political they formed this union when they were not all in nato. that is, there was norway in nato , denmark a-a sweden in scandinavia was not part of finland, well iceland, but they said that we

it is necessary to unite together, conduct training together, conduct such a joint operation, the compatibility of our armies, joint training, e. poland with the baltic countries, the czech republic, maybe slovakia, others. whoever wants to join can offer it or have to offer it, and i think, and i think that we are already somewhere in the stage, because we started trying the lublin triangle, what we tried it is necessary now, i think that this is a chance and i think i will give an example, but in ukraine , we often discussed the threat of nuclear weapons from russia, belarus, poland, and the baltic countries . look at the decision on e.e. belarus on nuclear weapons, they achieved the fact that this is a threat , after all, belarus was also written down in the fireplace entered so, and this means that when we work together, i am already silent about other projects

that we can implement and there are a lot of them that have a perspective, we can initiate it, and it in no way replaces nato, does not convince the integration in na and nobody because there are different there statements can be heard in any way, but this is an opportunity to talk about what we are, and by the way , it strengthens nato. because when they talk about security , it is beneficial for nato, and we can go from the fact that it is also beneficial for you. let's do the two tracks that we have. here this declaration anna and this declaration it is really early in the morning that it has already started there, the netherlands has joined the seven countries, i do not rule out that poland will join others, so now we will talk about it very well, well, the next stage is the conclusion of a bilateral pre-marriage agreement, but this does not mean that agreements have been concluded will be submitted for ratification by the parliament, where it can be subject to action. well, for example, russian

agents. we all know that you do not exist . this is how it will be. i don’t think that it will be super fast, although we would like it, but these are additional guarantees, in any case , we should try and write them out, at least it should be on paper, at least even the text of the year itself, which has not yet been ratified, but the country’s desire and demonstration of them fix, initial even, and then she demonstrates readiness, and this complements the declaration, there may be a bilateral memorandum first, so it strengthens the declaration, this is it, in any case, it strengthens it, it plays into a plus, not a minus, and then, uh, come to ratification, this in general, the upper class would be in this situation, because then we are not looking at the 2024 elections in the usa and we are not thinking. and what will happen if trump wins, others will come who support the reduction of aid to ukraine, and why should we depend on it

we will approach this really based on the agreements that we will say, look, they are regardless of who is chosen by the society in these countries , the voters, we will work with everyone within the framework of these agreements, because there are obligations, then i think it should work and the second a track is just an organization of such a-a hmm unions er-er let's say you can call confederations whatever you like on equals who will be equal among themselves and cooperate to develop directions for threats that are common and actually represent er-er such threats this is what it seems to me bilateral tripartite agreements are guests, what should we move on , this is this, this is it, i'm sorry , do you understand it? we will get to that than nato membership. yes, we will get there faster. look, because we have no way out or why, including in one

situation. well, let's admit that we have a difficult political situation. on the one hand, the enemy wants to destroy us and is waging a terrible war. as if they want to see transferred which sometimes remind us of amazon so that quite yes absolutely yes because who is britain yes and well for what that is when we talked about the parameters of the aid weapon which yes it is used on the battlefield and did you know about this is what we are fighting for. we knew that this was not a terrorist organization or some group of people who had gathered there for several thousand . well, the result is absolutely, will we have enough small arms grenade launchers to defeat them? no, we knew very well, and then if we say that there is an air defense system, everything is where they should be, they should be here. because they are now shooting down russian missiles that could potentially fly too far and

reach a range of up to 5,000 m, for example , hust 101 is allowed to do well, in most countries. and please tell me in this situation first around president zelenskyi's statement, and then it would be a hair's breadth, yes, does this happen at all at such a number one political gathering of the world, or can this happen at all , what happened ? volovets he says that you are giving me a list, that's all, and how is the sea? i drove 11 hours for you to give me a list, well, i'm sorry, planes, uh, we are, yes , yes, you can try, we arrived, yes. and what and how and what did you want to hear? yes, we thank you, we are grateful to bers and the british

people, we are grateful to the british, not the british , they supported us very much in the liberation of kherson region, we came, no one, yes, well , that is, this is this, this is the form, uh, in fact, the showdown is already what you tell me and why do you blame us for what we seem to be? well, we don't blame us, we just say listen. and if you had approached differently , if ukraine was already in nato, this would have happened , we would have to do all this, we would have to drive 11 hours, no, and that's why i already said you know that we will thank, we will be grateful to our partners, and this is a completely sincere position, but we can also start thanking in quotes for the budapest memorandum, there are too many things and already 2008, nuclear weapons and too many things, we don't mention it anymore because we want normal relations and we say let's talk about the fact that we are interested in development . and what about the issue of weapons, yes, okay, i will say it very

frankly, we will stop fighting tomorrow, what will happen in a few years, the british will go to war, absolutely, the americans will go to war , so will your relatives and this is necessary frankly to communicate with the minister of voice that you are fine, but you also covered yourself with ukraine , which is now on the front line of the struggle, you are simply required to have weapons. what are weapons, they are things, they are important things on the battlefield, but what are they worth to you compared to human lives, they are absolutely the same they didn't want any size, so what are weapons, why did you accumulate them, no one, i don't think, well, at least i didn't hear, but did anyone ask at least a reflexive question to all the large supplies of weapons from nato, what was ukraine's defense with, and for us it is an answer to it is obvious human lives by hand and we and we withstood so many days more than 500 days of war you stood like this with the help of our partners

in particular for which we are once again grateful to emphasize them for weapons but let's say like this we are simulating another scenario that they wrote about once described in books for example, let's imagine that russia didn't work out or won in a few days or in a few weeks. this is the question. so, if you imagine it like that, god forbid, well, let me tell you very simply . one of the authors appeared. unfortunately, i forgot. his last name is polish, he wrote a book of invasion, she is, she is in ukrainian translation, he described a potential scenario that russia is in ukraine, fsb officers, their border service on the border with poland, they then go to poland, the war begins and everything, everything, everything and everyone is included, someone is not included but i can say that russia would be preparing to continue its actions to spread to countries, they would perceive it exclusively as a weakness of the west, they would perceive it in such a way that they are allowed if they can and the goal

no matter what the goal was, let him not think that the expansionist idea for russia has disappeared , they use the ideas of the 19th century and putin speaks from the books of 19th century authors and he believes in it, and when the expansionist idea of ​​conquering europe, which is called knocking out its administration from the usa they dream about it, and they would use it, and then we saw. and if the europeans had acted, they would have had to enter the war, and they would have had to mobilize their population, and we would have had to send these military soldiers, and they would have perished, too. that is, this is the simulation of the situation. and if it were so, the amount of aid would be the amount of financial assistance . yes, we are grateful, but this is not human life, and this is not bombing, and this is not shaheds flying, and this is not the destroyed destinies of children, parents, absolutely families.

that many people live abroad, the separation of families is not visible to each other even now and stop existing as families , well, they are different, that's why it's all a whole complex, and against this background to reproach, well, forgive me, it's a bit of such political short-sightedness, oleksandr, we conveyed this opinion the day before yesterday and yesterday at the summit nato to the members of nato to our partners, did the communication not take place, as you think? i think we will continue like this. the work does not stop. i would just like to say one thing. you know, i have already seen some of our reactions that we are already preparing for washington, so we are absolutely already starting. we must treat this as a work process. yes, i

have hopes. faith approaches this in this way. we do everything. depending on us, we work out interactions with our partners, after all, we do everything depending on us, and we will already see the results of the female , so that we didn’t have one, so we passed, passed vilnius. how did the topic go here, too, you know , a historical site, history is happening now on the battlefield in ukraine absolutely yours where in history definitely this is an event this is how it happened to say that he a-ah is directly historical that he defines something like that or changes something directly in europe in the world well, what does it change but to say directly i say history is the first pomarandum too they called it historical. once upon a time, that is. well, at least he changed a lot. yes, but here we have a simple question. one thing is always about our partners. history is being made here . do you want to be involved and the creators of this history ? there were politicians who eventually became leaders , about whom we now read, we admire all

determination with great risks with great colossal risks, but the determination of decision-making and the way to the end when we talk about we mean such politicians, churchill, well, usually, for example, i want to tell you that we can remember and where he fought so hard for what happened in france after the war and for what france got because, well , that is, it should have been read, imagine if, well, in in this case, churchill uh, the review said that america is on amazon or what was shown at that time, that i think he could hear such things, amazon does not accept them, but you know that very serious work was carried out in britain to finally get under there definitely and so far they have not joined yet, what kind of persuasions were still needed? and i want to remind you of another example that they acted even against, for example, italy, the us position was to retreat from there, withdraw troops

, bloody battles. they did not know that nazi germany would intervene. they thought that the italians would surrender now the germans will swallow this situation, nothing like that happened, but the british made a decision anyway, the americans from kaliny, we will leave. they said no, we must stay, we will convince the americans and they worked for us, and there are many such examples, and they not only here, they are not only related to the second world war, that is, perseverance makes great politics in fact. yes, it is one of the important qualities. please tell me. if we talk about perseverance. there is one question about this, and it is a bit strange. if you imagine, you and i imagined that god forbid it would happen if russia wins, but if ukraine manages to fight back on its own. what do you think

will happen within our society capsis about nato yes yes he will be an argument that what we fought for then will not be perceived be perceived do you understand the question in what way will the ukrainian army have the most combat experience yes among the countries yes it already has yes the united states all for which european countries who yes fought and who would repel such powerful attacks, it will be very important. one of the most combat-capable armies, we will develop cooperation no matter what . but i am sure after the victory, it is a completely different investment, economy, attractiveness, that's all the image of ukraine this is also and this is a chance but now but so will corruption and so on and who else will press you, you will fight well yes well let's so we too, that is, we will fight corruption i think that this is an obvious goal to fight and as

for society, it will this skepticism will stand, and then the assessment will stand. we are joining nato. what security guarantees are being given to us now means we will not fight in the future, but the question will arise. and what will be provided by article 5 will protect, you understand . trust is very important. trust, why did i say that? and i keep saying that our situation is special because we had the budapest memorandum and now go outside, talk to people, ask and tell them, do you want this from a security guarantee , for example, so that it was traumatic , we do not believe in the power of attorney absolutely if absolutely absolutely convinced and similar security. an absolutely traumatic phrase is not faith and then despair and then they will say ok a can do something for us and that's why i say and we may have a lot of other options for this case already then

let's have two-way here let's have three-way agreements, let's act together with others, we can hedge here and even if we had to decide later, i do not rule out the idea that directly regarding the support of membership , we could hold a referendum. and yesterday in vilnius, a crisis took place, a crisis of trust . i think that yes, it is not, it is not broken, it is not broken, this trust, but it was such a test of this trust. we passed this stage, you know how we came out as in some kind of business management system or in some kind of relationship. or somewhere in state management. we went to some meeting where we said frank things to each other , probably someone didn't like something, but then we stopped. it's clear that we have to go together. we go together, we don't give up

ideas of integration, everything will work fine, but we made certain conclusions, and it is also important to understand and make sober analytics, correct conclusions for the future - this is knowing, even if it is true, sometimes it is bitter, this is important. it would it improves, it definitely makes us stronger, as i think, and the results. and as the president said, according to the results, and now we have calmly communicated everything, it shows that we have already grown up, and by the way, this is a plus for us in nato, not in nato, but it is a plus for ukraine as a state oleksandr, i would talk to you, i would talk to you, but i thank you very much for the air time, thank you for the time, for coming and explaining some really important existential moments, this is very important, i will remind you that today we talked about the results themselves, nato and so

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, the capital of lithuania, met high-ranking guests a sea of ​​ukrainian flags and this is not an exaggeration. on the eve of the free summit, 33,000 flags were decorated with blue and yellow flags as a call to the leaders of the alliance. ukraine should become the 33rd member of the bloc. we lithuanians feel that this war is very close to us, even though we have there is no common border with ukraine, we are more fortunate because we are in nato and the eu, otherwise we could also find ourselves in such a situation , we have a similar history we were also under soviet occupation, we support ukraine and we hope that it will support us in case of trouble for ukrainians, another most symbolic the flag in vilnius was raised already during the summit , the battle flag