[000:00:00;00] no, it is not clear how to interact with such units, that is, on the one hand, the state does not order anything and is not ready to buy , on the other hand, it has paul of some human resources and accumulated mobilized it specialists, but it is impossible to legally cooperate with him because he is a civil servant according to our legislation , it is not enough that he cannot perform some tasks in a commercial project. he cannot even be involved in some common states on private projects, because the plane of this public-private partnership exists only in the fake form of a certain law that is not effective, that is, in fact , as i understand it, your company has developed a product, this product can be used , but now there are no interaction mechanisms, that is, or you have to make an order, in order to make an order, you have to pass a test according to of the requirements

that the ministry of defense should write the ministry of defense does not want to write the requirements for this complex product and you do not know where to go and at the same time, let's say sorry to interrupt not only that the key point is that to write a product is only roughly speaking 10-20% of the whole problem at the narcotic level, the main problem is in its further implementation in order to implement this product in a large number of brigades and so it is necessary to have a large number of people who travel on these brigades and the like, and it would be logical to use, for example, the same military it units to engage in such promotion, but they do not legally have the right to do this if it is not a project the internal state, that is, the only way now to interact with the ministry of defense, if you have a product, just give it to us for free for the use of the ministry of defense and sensitively do not mobilize inwardly and

from the inside to develop it, that is, this is what i mean from the real legal ways, there is only such a way, whatever - what is the option to show that you have a product that meets the requirements and for the ministry of defense to create a team to implement such a product? there is no reason for a product to choose another product, there are no tenders or orders, well, that is, there is no plane to determine why the military should implement certain products and not others, well, that is , we need some kind of decision that is somewhat higher than the initiatives of the ministry of defense, as in particular there is the ministry of digital transformations, but it should be at the ministry, but on the other hand, when we look at the work of american units , we know that the attack system is actually the devices that are in every battle machines and even these systems are transferred even from bradley to our

armed forces, does it not mean that our military is simply waiting for these systems to increase in the transferred equipment, and this quantitative indicator then just forms the demand that ok, we switch to the american system and we don't need national developers, uh, i don't think i communicate with all , well, with most of these users, and there are several problems with this approach, one of the main problems is that until now the distribution and registration of users is controlled representatives of a foreign army. that is, it is not a very good option when you are in the trenches . you have to register a new user and you have to write an application to the pentagon there.

there is a lot of implementation, well, of applied functionality , it is extremely difficult for the threshold of the average input of our user. that is, this tool is excluded, well, in most cases, it is also for special operations forces for certain layers of users. this is one of such problems. by the special forces of special operations villages who have probably been using this system since the 18th year and this was one of the reasons why we stopped implementing our previous generation, they still have not fully learned how to use it, it is extremely difficult, that is, it is your decision if you implement it uh, a competition between your development and the american system. and you are convinced that a ukrainian user would make a plus or a bet on your system, if you compare roughly speaking the systems by the amount of functionality , the american system won unequivocally because its

developed at first and was developed by an entire american institute, then it is now supported there by many enthusiasts from various european countries, but if we talk about the performance of certain specific tasks, for example, there is a task of standing bluffer, you can simply see where the neighboring tanks are and what they are doing . in our system, it is much easier e- it is easier for the user to understand than in the similar system of this american one, looking at what the comparison criteria will be, mr. yevgeny. i think that we will return to this topic with you in our next programs with from the point of view of the digital e-e army and increasing the efficiency of our units on the battlefield and now i have to stop our conversation e-e to thank you for joining the broadcast and remind our viewers that yevgeny maksymenko was an effective espresso, head of the kombat vision project. this program adds strength to our military field boyko, especially when we talk about special operations forces, and later in our program

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. vasyl's air in the winter, a project for smart and caring people in the evening, we are continuing our military program and now we are joined by oleksiy oliynyk, a representative of the khmera company. this is a ukrainian company that has developed and supplies technological products to the armed forces that are already used by our military and are bought by volunteers for our fighters, mr. oleksiy i greet you. good afternoon. i will start by saying that i would like to ask you about the situation that i announced before the information break, where

i told the story that our tank left for execution of a combat mission but was unable to complete it because his communication system was suppressed by enemy fish, the tank was not actually using the er radio stations , he was using a different er communication system and i would like to ask you why such a situation could have happened na na how typical is it for our units on the battlefield, russian rap is actually quite serious , maybe even the most serious in the world or one of the most serious, they poured a lot of money into them for a long time, it works great and in fact there are a lot of stations

which are working now when the radio intelligence is active. she sees those sanctions on the air. she is working to catch the range in which these sanctions work as much as possible, and if necessary, then when, not all the time, but at a certain moment, you can turn on the suppression system of this communication connection and yes, if you do not see any activity, if they see, er, some active combat operations, and in them before that , they have already scanned the frequency bands, channels , on which our communication works, they can turn them off. well, very quickly there in seconds, i i think, in fact, even the communication that is now at the front, it most likely works very often, actually because they allow it to work, it is not turned off, but at that moment , it is obvious that they saw activity and turned it off . they found all the communication that was there in the districts so that disrupting the attack of our military is right. well, then the question arises of the background to these problems that sometimes exist in our units

, what did your company do, what does it offer to the armed forces, and what is the peculiarity of your technological product, which has a name there the chimera brand. actually, as i understand it, it is also a communication system, but with certain features. so, what did you do most of all? well, our communication system is not exactly designed for such a situation , it is not designed for active offensive actions, and so on. rather, for inconspicuous communication during some such operations, that is, our system is now more oriented towards communication that is not seen by radio intelligence , it is very difficult to see it on the air , it is very difficult to see it, but its main task is still to be more imperceptible er, we use such frequencies and such technologies

that make it very difficult to detect it on the air 5 km or 10 km away. it is very difficult, most likely, and er, i think so . well, although our system could help in this baku, we simply work below noise level, we work below the level of radars, e-e, at such a level that our communication is supported , if you use very powerful sanctions, this is a cool thing. just not will see it approximately as a whisper there. such a kind of 17 where many people simply no one will hear you, she is basically like that. that is, you actually made such portable radio stations of the tactical level that should be used by units so that this communication was invisible and was such that his enemy could not to suppress rap with your own means, yes, it is very difficult to find it on the air, it is very difficult to poring any of our radio stations

because they jump on frequencies and due to the fact that they jump, their frequencies are very high it's very, very difficult to see, you can deteriorate the connection, but there you can see it at all, well, i can't say that it's impossible at all, but it 's very, very difficult for that enemy, and your company is, let's say, a volunteer initiative company that created this system and now it is purchased by the main volunteers and individual soldiers for their units. that is, this is a system that is used in the armed forces, that is, it is not systematically used , but there is a demand for this sample, the project is developing very quickly, at the beginning it was just conventionally, the radio station is now this, uh, this is already a communication system, our stations are connected to the network, our stations are similar to microsoft, now on a small cellular operator, you can deploy this communication, that's how microsoft , which do not work over very long distances, they work

there are a couple of three kilometers in the area and this is enough for communication, that is, you don't need harris or motorola to communicate at a distance of 15 km from the headquarters , not everyone needs it, most units need a small communication in a small area, it is not necessary use in this in the case of some powerful radio stations because powerful radio stations uh they glow like an orange in the snow and you and well their radio intelligence drove immediately sees you need to use a small encrypted inconspicuous connection reliable and in this case you will have a connection you will not have seeing radio intelligence by itself will be difficult for you to suppress because there are jumps in frequencies eh at the beginning it was just a distance now it is already built the rest of the multi-level communication is the use of different groups it is the retransmission of signals it is already like that eh if the system were of a different class, and that is why this system is developing so quickly that in fact the ministry of defense or anyone else , they, we will not be able to keep up. we

have a lot of resources to constantly make those changes, uh, i don't know, educators conduct exams there or well, this is a system that is developing very quickly at a speed that is above fast speed, you can say a startup. and no , we are not defense forces, there is no general staff, apparently. and in general, there are a lot of people in ukraine, uh, i can’t move like that, but they see the fighters very much many need communication is just crazy and they say regardless of whether you are already even armed do you have codification do you have anything this communication is already needed so we as soon as we develop something any new stove we in any case, we are issuing these sanctions, they are being purchased, they have been used for quite a long time, 10 sanctions have been in operation there since november, so the ministry of defense probably knows about our project now, but i am not really

sure that we will be able to achieve any success with them in the near future and the station it was developed as a very let’s say that this is not a budget but affordable option, it is created on the basis of commercial components, exclusively commercial, there are no military components, nothing, and it was created in such a way that literally every military person could buy it. that is , i am a station. there were sanctions, but now there is still a small mobile operator that any sub-permit can buy there for itself, and if they have someone there who is a bit tangential to communication technologies and so on, they can take the setup and for this it is not necessary u.s some paperwork from the ministry of defense is needed, it is of course very useful, very important, but the stations are needed now and we can't waste time on all this, and in fact, the lives

of people and the lives of soldiers are more important there. or does he not know defense oleksiy and you are talking about the fact that these radio stations or communication systems should be available or are they affordable for the price, but in terms of functionality they are much better than what is presented by our military from the point of view sight there motorola or other samples that can be better there and suppressed etc. sorry i missed a little bit the beginning we are talking about the fact that your radio stations have conditionally speaking availability for the price and when we are talking about from the point of view of functionality and from the point of view of use then it in fact, this e -e potential allows you to compare them even with military radio stations, because as i understand it , there is an iprche mode, that is, e-e and a mode of protection against suppression, which means that the stations of a military station

differ from civilian stations, so means of communication, mechanical reliability, er, reliability of construction, reliability of the components used, um, namely, these are very good and correct military components or a very reliable body, this is all actually a very expensive business, milled body, they are very expensive there, like a wing spaceship, something else we followed this path . that we make an accessible station that will provide sufficiently reliable communication, sufficiently reliable functionality , sufficiently reliable mechanics so that they can be used by the armed forces and be at the same time as affordable as possible for the price, so yes, we have a very multifunctional one, which is not even available in foreign military stations , it is not there because foreign military stations , there are a lot of them were developed there, well , 10-15 years ago, then there were no technologies, er, creation there

of serious inter-networks or something else, not everything was there now new components are out now new radio chips are out they allow you to work much better than it was even a dozen years ago even in military topics so in our station they are different they are quite different, they are not as mechanically reliable as the military ones, but from the point of view of the logic of work, from the point of view of approaching the consumer, we immediately made them for people, not for super specialists, not for communications workers. a housewife if she knows how to read the instructions. that's why technologies are used that appeared literally a few years ago, which even uh, well, not that they are definitely not in many uh, western samples of the station that we

got our hands on, the question is the cost of the radio station volumes of production, how much is produced, how much are you producing, what is the demand, if the cost price is low, where do you get the money to expand production, this block of questions means that in terms of cost, we are now keeping them practically at cost price, their cost price , let’s call it conventionally, from that conventional units , in fact, a little more, because well, there something else and they cost uah 4,000 for the military , they are not released to civilian zoos, we check what kind it is, where it goes, and we have the opportunity to check that it really reaches the military unit and it is used exclusively by the military and er for production. now we have reached the level of 5,000 in a month. it is already the second month . it's not enough, but hmm. well, we're moving gradually and somewhere under uh, soon the first thousand will be already, well, there are more

than half a thousand. now already at the front , we will soon bring this number to a thousand. release in 2-3 thousands a month, without any particular problems. they were developed with the expectation that you will be able to use them right away, that's why this version is here . it can be produced very quickly and production can be scaled up very quickly, but this requires a certain amount of time and, of course, funds, and since it is being purchased now by the military directly there by intelligence aerial reconnaissance snipers by some other it's not such large volumes of parties they buy them semi-certain groups for their tasks well it's generally a very strange situation when people buy means of communication er intelligence buys for itself, er, to break this kind of vicious circle, when you need to scale, you need money, there is no money, then it can be purchased in small batches, er, we ca

n’t raise the price because, well, it’s different. otherwise , the consumer, well, don’t buy, and we talked about the ministry of defense and there they persuaded a little that there are formal labyrinths, it is very difficult to ensure adoption there. but before the program, you and i talked about the fact that this is actually a window of opportunity there when the ministry of defense created a separate direction there, this technology accelerator, where they they promise in a short period of time to ensure the process of checking this or that sample of weapons to ensure its certification and maybe there will be acceptance into service and therefore the transition to procurement already on a larger scale . do you consider this way for yourself as probable in order to break this vicious circle of the impossibility of scale we will deal with it, we did not look in this direction before because it requires individual specialists, there is a lot of documentation

, there is something else, and we had the choice of this or we will conventionally pay for the payment of two or three to the specialists or he does not respond to the additional 50 stations for the fund, we chose for ourselves the way to send a larger number of stations to the front. so, uh, now, uh, i think that we will be forced to go as soon as possible. that is, there must be someone who is really the customer, who understands the need for these sanctions, then i understand the need for all networks , now our stations already transmit data, so they can be used there, artillery, e.e., attack aircraft for voice transmission and broadcasting it can be simple, well, there are now many options to use our stations for broadcasting on drones for the same scouts, we have many consumers of these products, but there is no such clear centralized customer, so well , most likely, we will turn to the command of the troops before communication so that they speak out

well, they helped us if they had a need for means of communication so that they would help us quickly form tactical and technical conditions and , as quickly as possible, go there through the accelerator of the ministry of defense or through bitumen or test and at least get permission to use these sanctions, and you had no contact with the ministry of digital transformation because they also have such a brain one platform there, where they talk about the fact that they help her with documentation with certain funding, you did not contact there we were looking for exit options, we are in contact with them, so we have not been in contact, we are in private , everything is moving well, not as fast as we wanted, most likely it needs to be speeded up somehow, it needs to be somehow, er, work more closely with this, since we have a team in mainly development engineers, there is not much time for the test with such questions, and it would be nice to pass it all, of course, but i think that they will send it to

the command of the communications troops. and then we will go along the path that was actually before i am very sure that they directly improved it, so how to talk about it. and is there a threat to such projects like yours from the powerful companies there? you are also there with motorola, that is, those samples that are already presented in the armed forces, and tell about what is unique to ukraine effective a but not no dear, few people will be interested, is there still a chance to withstand this confrontation with monsters? well, we are in different categories in general, that is , motorola's category is the connection there for 10 km , our stations do not work for 10 km our idea is that the division has its own motorola for communication somewhere between headquarters or between divisions, and within the division in a small area they use our communication because it is protected and because it is

still in jumps, it is very difficult to see motorova she is not good at pprc, she is good at big distance, we don't know long distance, but we know pp, are we protected? that's why we don't compete with motorola, eh, in this case , everything is fine, well, about haris, i don't think anyone at all knows about our existence , so eh, we need to grow into us currently, 3-4 future stations are under development , of the future station, yes, they should most likely be chimeras g2, these should be special stations there, two-band ones that will perform the function there, uh, the internet is gay and something else, those stations are most likely you and new developments for they will be a significant, let's say, they may be a significant threat of some kind, but so far there are no such stations, they don't know about it , so far, i think it's a threat. such a thing, panel, everyone , thank you very much for including in our program, i think we will support

your project is informational, and i will remind our viewers that the broadcast channel of stress was oleksiy oliynyk, a representative of the chimera company, which developed a system of such portable radio stations at the level of the coordination department that help our soldiers on the battlefield. such were the programs that they say that we have technological solutions that can really help the armed forces, we need to reduce bureaucrats and find options for supporting such projects, of which there are still many more, and then the broadcast will be continued by the news editor and presenter anna eva melnyk, colleague greetings good day thank you for your work thank you for the quality analytics, the novon team will tell about the most important, in particular, in this issue , that the anniversary of the tragedy in vinnytsia and, according to some officials in the united states of america , are now not ideal conditions for transferring