[000:00:00;00] tv, the most operative news from ukraine, the world's front-line chronicle, everything is on our website, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives. goodbye , as hryhoriy zhugalov , something historic happened in the world today. if successful, this will be the first time in history, in fact, this is another event in the whole chain, which indicates that we are witnessing the birth of a new superpower, and other countries are actually lining up to build a friendly relationship with this potential superpower.

relations and what about ukraine so today about india and about the chances for ukraine in ukrainian-indian relations, is kyiv not losing them? and if it is losing, how to fix it, we will definitely tell you about this mission for a month, well, a little later, in 10 minutes, if you watch us on youtube in principle , you can rewind it, just don't forget to subscribe to the channel, but i strongly advise you to stay because the topic of conversation is very important to emphasize it about another event just today, on the day of the launch of the rocket , indian prime minister modi is the guest of honor of the french president macron, he is in paris for the national french holiday of bastille day. and now to talk about the purchase of new french fighter jets. france is the second largest military supplier to india after russia, and india, according to observers, is just trying to reduce its dependence on

moscow. the french are arranging a luxurious reception for the indian prime minister after his no less luxurious state visit to the usa last year , the usa, where modi was once banned from entering, this suggests that despite the differences regarding the war in ukraine, and the tension that persists due to the human rights situation in india, the west is interested in india and is trying to make it an ally . that is why it is important. then he made several rather bold statements that india could become a counterweight to china in the region or does india have the will and the means to fulfill such promises, i think that the desire is there, and as for the means, india is working very hard to increase its potential and longingly, especially when it comes to the armed forces, a very urgent problem for india is the border with china

the ties between the two countries are now at a very low level. and that is why india is trying to look for partnerships elsewhere and work in different alliances, for example, with a quartet of countries such as japan and australia and the united states. his policy is not to get stuck in any coalition i strongly disagreed with that india is not non-aligned when it comes to china india has a very clear position on china it is not trying to play condescending to him, on the contrary, the jews believe that european countries have not yet decided which course to take and it is worth looking at india's participation in such multilateral forums as, say, brics, where india often takes a western position, say, it opposes the idea of ​​a single currency, as well as the expansion of brics, which is proposed by china, however india has refrained five times from condemning the invasion

of ukraine at the un and this week president macron has been very critical of the countries that are said to be sitting on the fence, accusing them of complicity with the new imperialism of russia on your opinion, he will put pressure on prime minister modi while in paris, in my opinion, france and other european countries suddenly began to remind the jews about ukraine, and it is likely that this question will come up again. i believe that india was quite open in discussing its position with european politicians and there is a certain understanding its position , but this is definitely an opportunity to once again convince india to strengthen its alliance with the west, the indians will benefit from this war to some extent because they have increased the import of cheap russian oil , the value of which is of course limited to global

sanctions, but on the other hand, the war makes russia dependent on china. perhaps to the detriment of india, this is undoubtedly the case, and the growth of russian-chinese cooperation has greatly alarmed people, primarily because of the border confrontation between india and china, and considering how much india's security and armaments depend on russia. so, for indian politicians, this is absolutely long-term concern this is why we also see a loosening of ties between india and russia we saw this at the group of 20 summit when russia and china opposed the wording on ukraine in the resolution, so i think there is tension in the relations between india and russia and it is only intensifying. and what about ukraine regarding the war? india declares its position as neutrality and does not plan to join the sanctions. bbc georgia herman throughout the full-scale

war with russia, ukraine is trying to get india's support in international organizations, first of all it is about voting for a resolution in the un general assembly, what is interesting in ukraine that is, this is a vote for the territorial integrity of ukraine, this is the withdrawal of russian troops, condemnation of russia's actions by annexing ukrainian regions, india, which declares its neutrality in that war, it does not vote for these resolutions, india says that the national interests of india are also met by such things. the position of mediator between the west and russia the position of mediators between ukraine and russia but in principle there are areas where india can be useful to ukraine during the war, above all, if the nuclear security sphere, india has always opposed

the threat of nuclear weapons against any creation of any situations in which there is a risk of nuclear disasters and ukraine can primarily involve india to discuss these topics , but it can be said that, unfortunately, political compacts between ukraine and india are few and far between deception during the last 10 years, it has always been a problem that in south asia, not only in india, but also in all the surrounding states, there was a lack of ukrainian diplomats, a lack of ukrainian informational presence, ukrainian leaders opinion, ukrainian experts are also in the media quite rarely, and this leads to the fact that there is no such a complete picture of java as a whole in relation to ukraine, wendy, this is the main problem. in expert structures and in the corridors of power, there are many

supporters of russia who can mention every e-e statement from ukraine in a context beneficial to them e-e in order to overcome this fascination with russia that was planted by interested parties individuals for many years, it is necessary to work and immediately it will not have an effect on this er, well, the years will definitely er, at the moment, there are no signs that india is ready to change its position a-a regarding ukraine, what positions, whatever er events take place on the front line and again in touch, an employee of the national institute of strategic studies , olena borodiovska. greetings. i tried to find publications about ukrainian-indian relations today.

material quote indians do not know anything about ukraine, how did it happen that they do not know anything, well, you can search for publications on the website of our institute. by the way, this happened for many reasons, because um, uh, in addition to the fact that there was no proper attention and there was no stability er, in the work of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, er, in the indian direction , it was always very difficult for us to compete with the russian side, which has enormous powers, which took over, as you know, the entire soviet legacy and appropriated a lot what belonged to ukraine even in soviet times in relations with india, and then russian propaganda, a huge russian embassy, ​​a consulate, and so on, who always work actively and persistently on various tracks, that is, not only officially, but also expert communities, which we always lacked, to our great regret and

let's go from the other side to why india is important for ukraine and whether there is now an understanding in ukraine that developing relations with india is very important . well, as was said at the beginning of the program, now in fact, to have stable relations with it, there are many reasons, it is a powerful country - it is the fifth economy in the world - it is a huge market - it is innovative technologies and it is the m-th level of relations with different countries, and i can enter to allow because it has neutral position, which we don't like, but we have to remember that neutrality is always a window of opportunity, that is, relations with western countries such as students to read and france, as we can see, are developing simply and beautifully and very quickly, despite the fact that india defends its

interests, look there. the final documents, during modi’s visit to the usa , we see that the indian position is actually written there, including regarding the russo-ukrainian war, it is not mentioned there, but it is obvious that india’s neutral position is preserved and there is no need here have high hopes that it will be changed officially, it will never be changed but as i already said, this is a window of opportunity, this is a window when we can convey our position. and this position, in turn, can then be conveyed to the russian side with which india communicates on many levels, not only bilaterally, in various organizations , such as 6, such as brics, and the twenties themselves, which is headed by india this year, and i will say that literally the last months have brought a certain uh. well, if not success, then there were certain changes in ukrainian-indian

relations in april, the first visit of this level during the war by deputy minister of foreign affairs eminedzh zabarova to india, and yesterday already in response to this visit, which was planned without many reasons political events took place yesterday consultations are bilateral, that is, the indian delegation arrived in ukraine and the communication was both official, that is, many points of bilateral cooperation in various fields were discussed, as well as at the expert level of such communication. it was very interesting because we had the opportunity to convey to the indian side many important issues that concern not only the nuclear policy of food security , but also issues such as crimes by russia, crimes against humanity, and experts from various non-governmental organizations are involved in the dialogue.

we hope that this will be continued, that is, at least we already have some kind of dialogue. we can speak and convey our position directly, yes, this is important, yes, this is important, and i hope that we will have even more contacts. thank you again. well, as promised about the historic mission a month before today, only four countries in the world were able to organize successful landings on the earth's satellite, the united states, china and the now defunct soviet union, if at the end of august between the planetary station achievements of the moon, india will become the fourth country on this list. there is still a lot of excitement here, while thousands of people gathered to watch the launch of the third mission to the moon. we are near the satysh space center in havana, in the southern part of the wide rekota where the launch took place. people are taking selfies next to the rocket model. this shows the general excitement this time india hopes to be able

to successfully land on the moon why is it important because 4 years ago the same mission was unsuccessful if this time it is successful then india will become the fourth country what is it succeeded the spacecraft will try to land on the south pole and will explore this area because it was there 15 years ago that the first indian mission to the moon detected possible signs of water india has only 2% of the world space industry alone wants to become a bigger player and go into a bigger orbit that is why india several years ago opened the space industry to private players for the first time in decades to become competitive and open to commercial offers india hope that with these launches it will become a bigger player in the space industry well very

i advise you to google it and find an article by georgy erman on the bbc e-e.ua website . you will also find more history there. and also on our pages in social networks, we will be on the air again on monday at 21:00. take care , congratulations, friends, we continue our broadcast on tv channels espresso with mykolaiv this is mykola veresen this is all right don't confuse our guest in this part of the program the president of the holy congress of ukrainians pavlo grot congratulations mr. pavlo and mr. president was at the nato summit in vilnius so this is just the topic to

talk about anyway what what have we achieved we did not achieve, of course, all ukrainians wanted us to receive an invitation to nato, this did not happen, but maybe we should work in this direction, well, let me start by saying that we, from the very beginning, when we were preparing for the free each capital has 301 countries, then there were nato members, now there are 32, we held actions and took to the streets in the capitals, modern politicians engaged in the media to convince these countries that ukraine should be invited to nato, and we arrived in a free i will tell you my impressions when we arrived in vinnytsia if there was a poster for rooting for the entry into nato, there was a flag of ukraine and a nato flag on every second pillar, so they were so angry, we could have more than four ukrainian flags, as in lviv there were freedoms, there were huge

posters about ukraine should be in nato that is, the lithuanians have worked very hard before this. and i will say that obviously we are not satisfied that there was no such invitation. but today , i think the nato world, all the leaders, all the nato countries stand for sure that this is no longer a psychological barrier for them, as it was in bucharest , today they understand what ukraine has to be in nato, but somehow you understand, there is really a lot of energy, i will tell you about the energy industry, but the facts that would claim that there was any hint from the side of nato about such an opportunity that everyone longs for the end of the war, but no one has said anywhere, and i have i am speaking of my colleagues in the majority of ukrainian journalists who once said that it was as if someone had promised us 27 times and on the 28th time

vilnius did not deliver. with the editors and they said, listen, remember march 22, march 20, when they said that the weapons must be closed. and in nato, you don’t need to know, let’s do it separately , let’s do it, because the british will give, the americans will give , the poles will give, but she’s not, listen , it’s been less than a year and a half and now everyone is shouting like oh, why didn't they give us nato , where they have been for a year and a half, that there was a demonstration on khreschatyk, we want nato in march or there february 25 ago somehow i am very suspicious of i am suspicious of such you know the demands, as if someone blamed someone. mykola is an expression that i really like now, which is what if the second expression in ukraine

is what was impossible today is possible and this is also the answer to you because this is what we thought in march of the 22nd year it is impossible you now you understand that everything is possible and that is why we demand everything that is needed and the main thing is that the leaders of the nato countries and the citizens of those countries themselves believe that this is right, i want to announce that we are working on it in order to ensure public opinion in those nato countries without any leader will not have this to take such decisive steps. we hope for more and, by the way, we will work hard so that well, i don't want to say such a rude word as ashamed. whether or not your children will say that you did something to help ukraine, that you did something decisive, which may not have been profitable, but it was

decisive, unfortunately, they are afraid of what they did not do , i want to thank our eight countries there who well-known who very actively campaigned for ukraine during that time, and it was very important and we will expand our work, among other things, mr. in italy, to your question, our work will now be boring in the states and work hard with germany. i would like to ask president biden just about this says clearly that a country on the territory of which a war is taking place cannot be a member of nato, this is a thesis. moreover, what do i perceive the end of the war as the end of the hostilities because of some political agreement with russia or something that is also unarticulated if we were told that this is what you have to achieve and now we we believe that the end of the war is moving on to this, the end of the war of self-help looks like an abstract thesis. and now how can we hope that it moves along this line

. i am talking to the minister of foreign affairs expert of great britain. were and he expressed the following ukraine balance the nail ukraine belongs to nato and he says that all countries understand this and what we need this is very determined and i think that we will get there and what we need is to convince the united states to e- e this is it what are the questions? the united states is ready to support. because there is a risk. now there is a risk. what is the big washington summit that will take place in april 24th, where we hope they will accept ukraine at that time. they will be the pre-election company of the presidents. and what we have to do is just work with the politicians to ensure that it can look like i think it's very real that we've caused them

to er not give even when it happens but i hope that by washington sami we will win and there will be a ukrainian flag to hang in sevastopol, in mariupol and in donetsk, but if this does not happen, then you still demand that they do not give nato status to those territories that are not occupied and this will protect ukraine. well , to what extent do you think the ukrainian leadership is ready for this? i don't think there is an option, if there are partial options, there is an option that ukraine joins nato and the territories that nato protects are those territories that are not occupied, that is, i think that this is the best option that we can hope for when it even happens but i am convinced that we are recapturing this territory and how can we get it from the date this will be a big plus, at least we will have protection for the whole of ukraine, which

is not occupied. but i wanted to ask you, you talked about how much has changed how much has the weight of the ukrainian diaspora in the world increased during this time? you can assess this precisely by the authority and interest of this data. you say that you met with the minister of foreign affairs of great britain. you did not always meet with ministers of foreign affairs. he is almost your predecessors in the position of the president of the security service of ukraine did not always meet with the leaders of the leading countries of the west, agree well, i don't know, i will tell you when at that time i was the president of the canadian congress of ukrainians , he hesitated to come to ukraine , the prime minister of canada without accompanying him with me, that is, i will say that this is a special story. you know this is a country with the traditional influence of the ukrainian diaspora, i tell you, if you look more globally, vitaly, this is an opportunity for our communities to become political players, and we are trying to to do and we are working with our community leader in every key country in the world so that they become political players whether it is in argentina

and brazil so that we help the western or southern latin american world is it to help our communities uh now many have come to germany to france to poland that they have become political forces in those countries and i am working on that and this is the progress that is taking place and the name even before that ukraine became a candidate statistician of the european union we were actively acting with our communities, what they will meet with their politicians, we know politics is a local issue and we also understand this in a democratic world that it is necessary to work at the local level in order to influence the processes and people love people and as it is, it is a pipotopi, the text came across and we just we are playing with this so that we can help strengthen the interests of ukraine, and before that, i think that president zelensky played politics very correctly in vilnius, in that he just

played a little, if not very harshly, to show that everyone is very sensitive to this. listened to in vilnius, this one twitch, president zelensky, er, made a hurricane and understanding. i think that this turned out positively in ukraine, they understood that we may not give ukraine what they need, but let's go . the big seven came out ready to give guarantees country i think that it moved them to add more support to ukraine look at me such a question well, i would say conspiracy theory because i then when i found out, well, how would i remember that in washington the next meeting on, that is, i then realized that inhibition by america at least i

i'm not talking about germany right now, i'm very clear that well, if we only give ukraine all these planes , we will still give them, and here on the territory of lithuania there is one that can take the population. maybe the baltics give more of everything. if you count , the estonians give the most. in the head of the internal product in relation to the situation, we would already be standing in the kremlin, not in sevastopol and not in yalta, we would be standing in the kremlin, but then i had a very simple story, i thought well, then they will be accepted in april next year and then before the elections just in time for biden in another one, another dollar well, in the financial and political sense, biden gets it in just six months look peacemaker i did everything , so russia lost, now we will focus on china, we have less opponents by at least one hooray and i thought that it was

just a game biden's game not against ukraine. and for himself, for his second term, what should you say? i think that biden very much eavesdrops on the opinion of europe, especially germany, he started this at the beginning of the term, he wanted to build these bridges that trump destroyed. believes that this alliance should be strong, it is very important for him, that is why he does not want to take drastic steps. brothers, you understand that the united states is not popular in europe , especially in countries like france, greece, and and that's why biden is sensitive to this. that's why he wants to build this bridge, that he was strong before, and don't take a sharp step in nature. well, it's not of great benefit to us, everyone hopes that trump has two meters, biden has take about the war

role in this and that's why i really thought that this is what macron expressed very strong support that it can help to drag but i think that biden is counting more on germany than on france in relation to as a leader in europe, he did not talk pablo and i have some kind of program, either with vitaly or myself i don't remember, i already said that the ukrainian took the maximum possible acceptance of the nato members on this, on this, it is impossible , what we have is the maximum. and i i think we didn't get everything possible. i think it was possible to get an invitation to nato, it wasn't that they become members today. nato is just an invitation. we invite you. where is the political signal for you to be part of nato? they said behind the scenes

that that's all. the rest, read all the phrases, but they didn’t say for sure, because we both saw the 11th point, it says that when there will be criteria , that you will fulfill the criteria, and that there will be the will of all members, then you can be invited and become members of nato. i think it's too much too soft and therefore it could have been much more. but i think that we should be depressed because of this because there is a lot of positive things. everything turned out . this is ukraine. ukraine, nato is happy. it is very positive. it will greatly speed up our entry into nato. well, looking at even the screen when who was sitting where, look where president zelensky was sitting, it's just that it's a prestigious place where ukraine was placed and it shows that in the field of nato we are in the first place on the forum too much there was a little mention of china a little

mention of china all 80% of the conversation on exactly those of nato on the uniform and where we held everything was about ukraine. by the way, if you are talking about how ukraine should advance to nato , the topic of reforms , which we almost forgot about when it comes to euro-atlantic integration, is the most important thing. the army of the army meets nato standards more and more, even more than the armies of some nato countries. they say that all this is true, but if you do not carry out political reforms , there will be no nato either, that is, it is not enough to end the war, you need to reform the country to what extent do you think it is understood in kyiv? this is a difficult question, because one thing is that when you hear about these reforms, and it is not only on this form, i hear it in many capitals that more drastic reforms should be carried out in does ukraine understand it? does the government understand it? i think they understand it, or they will