[000:00:00;00] now all of russia, let's define again what is the defeat of russia for us, and what is the defeat of russia for china , for russia itself. for the example of the united states , for us, the defeat of russia is not just the restoration of our sovereignty and territorial integrity, the complete liberation of the occupied territories, it is also a change of regime. guarantees that russia, with putin or without putin , will never resume its aggressive actions, at least in the near future, this is the punishment of war criminals, more precisely, i'm sorry, this is a payment reparations are tribunals and many other things, this is in our understanding and we as ukrainians have the right to such dreams for such a format uh, a longed-for victory, is that how the americans are perceived, no, they definitely do not need the collapse of russia, they do not need a significant

change of the regime that the americans are most afraid of the last 30 years . it is the uncontrolled huge russia, which will be dangerous for its neighbors, which is subject to the influence of china and the uncontrolled, unauthorized, possible use of the spread and use of nuclear weapons, because of from this point of view. and their ideas about the defeat of russia are quite different, that is, they definitely do not want sharp movements, they would be completely satisfied if the borders of the model of 1991 were restored, but at least it is possible that they are even more satisfied. sorry for the cynicism if we simply restored the borders of the sample on february 23, 2022 and then somehow agreed with russia on a cease-fire, and then it is already like uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, uh, uh, the united states for example, germany or france, just like us, want the defeat of russia in the same format , they want this war to stop, they want it to grow weaker , they want good to win over evil, this is not alien to them either, but in a crushing and catastrophic defeat of russia, it is unlikely they want because this shock is huge, this is the same huge shock for the world as this war , they do not need this stress and shock, now the next moment, do they believe that we are capable of a quickly achievable future, we will restore our territory by military means, by military means, no look carefully at the statement of officials, including higher officials and military leaders of the american and german troops, who fairly positively and optimistically assess our chances and the actions of our military , but express doubts that with the existing schedule we will be able to quickly overcome the resistance of the russians and liberate such

huge territories that fortified and which are saturated with such a huge number of personnel well, if you do not know or if you have forgotten , the group of russians and currently operating on the territory of ukraine is twice as large as the one that took place on the territory of ukraine on february 24, 22nd year ago, this is a very difficult war, this is a very difficult war, and it will not be won in weeks, unfortunately. and therefore, i'm sorry, i'm summarizing , i just wanted to make my point of view clear, they are ready to help us, they they are ready to play for russia to be defeated, but what a devastating defeat, a defeat that would be a stress for the whole world, they definitely do not want them, they need them, relatively speaking, they have a certain dream of very, very many european and north american cities and capitals

they dream of, you know, such a variant of the ussr 2:0, that is, a dangerous opponent, but it is foreseen that they want a return to the cold war, but they do not want, relatively speaking, a series, it is in the center of europe and they definitely do not want an unforeseen opponent, well, this is my point of view, i could be wrong then, then, such a question, from several top western officials , we have repeatedly had to hear such a thesis that ukraine has only one chance for a major counter-offensive this summer, and most clearly this came from the czech president, he constantly said that it would be quite difficult to do such an operation, please tell me how much territory, according to a real, real scenario, ukraine will be able to win back with the resources that are available now, and returning to such a somewhat aggressive, perhaps not diplomatic , diplomacy of volodymyr zelenskyi during nato, the desire of the partners to give enough weapons for

such a large counterstrike of long-range fighter missiles in the future . by and large, they give us what they are capable of giving, that is, by and large, mostly what we will receive is actually almost all that we received is surplus military property , that is, any country in the world is protonated, it gives what it can give without risking its own security well, let's say there and the exception is , for example, the baltic countries, which give a little more, but they still, frankly, do not really hope for the strength of their armed forces. they still hope for the collective security of nato, so they can give a little more, the rest give exactly as much as there are two, i say again europe , uh, and in general, the world has been demilitarized recently, literally a few countries were an exception , in particular, china is there to a certain extent, russia although

they were also failed and therefore they cannot give more than they have if they have 30 tanks written on a piece of paper and they see that 15 of them are rusty, they can give a few 15 and then after a while and they can’t give more, so they give what they can give what they consider necessary from the point of view logic of this war, our priorities, because we also define these priorities, understand that it is not possible, but we demanded, for example , a missile or an airplane, and a week later they gave it to us . will turn into a specific contract and the supply of weapons, sometimes on time , sometimes with reporting deadlines, but it cannot be said that we now need a plane, for example, or a ship , or something else, and it appeared immediately, and when

we now slightly change our priorities, it absolutely rightly they say stop last time when we were going you determined the priorities these are the ones according to these priorities we act on uh there are certain things that they do not give because they are sensitive from their point of view well for example there attack is a strange story but less with you know, it's more like a certain psychological gestalt that the united states can't cross, but in principle we already have storm shadow . we have scalps. let's solve, and i'm not talking about the fact that i once again hope that we will speed up the development of our own complexes and also close this issue , so they provide what they are able to provide, what they can provide from their point of view and what corresponds to the priorities that we define on a bilateral basis, therefore, none of the issues that we have indicated does not fall away. we understand that we will demand. well, let's say that

demand is a bad word. although i think that this is actually a demand for modern aviation. okay, long-range weapons, in particular the atkus, and i think we will get it. i think that by the end of the year, most likely, a political decision will be made regarding the atkus and on well, actually, as i said there, i don’t know six months because i said that by the end of the year there will be a decision on f -16 the planes themselves will appear a little later, but they could not appear earlier than they will appear, and the accelerated training program according to their er-er conventional calculations is 12-18 months, that is , if the pilots are unusually capable, well, in theory , it can be accelerated, but not imagines as i i'm not talking about the fact that the preparation of runways, airfield storage facilities, personnel training is not done in a week or two or three, and finally there is no gunder

waffles, there are no miracle weapons, weapons are opportunities , and there are still people, people, we have wonderful people in we are incredibly creative people. we learn very quickly. no army in the world works in such a zoo. there is such and such jargon with the word military, that is, with such a huge variety of equipment and we quickly master it . something better, something worse, different people, different brigades, different situations. is there how much is our window of opportunity, in fact, no one knows if we are talking about the window of importance, it is obvious that in view of the situation political, military , military-technical. well, there are a lot of factors. i will take a lot of time to better justify my point of view. and the option is in the foreseeable future to turn the tide of this war and win it there in a

relatively short period of time, so we really have a chance during this operation, that is, relatively speaking, until the beginning of the rains, until the first months of autumn , if there is no serious breakthrough and quickly promotion then most likely there will be a war of attrition, this does not mean that it will mean a temporary defeat for us, it’s just that it is a more complicated story because the resource is much more in russia. she did not lose her equipment, she still has a resource, and this resource is definitely there for a year or two, and we, depending on the partners, and secondly, this means that it will be very difficult for the psychological governments of our partner countries to explain to their taxpayers why they should help ukraine if ukraine still wins special victories

on this more psychological background, the aid will not stop, but it may decrease, and therefore psychologically it will be easier for them to withdraw this aid in the event that we have military successes to liberate, well, i'm sorry, it's a bit of a naive question , no one knows the answer to this question, i'll tell you that there is not a single military operation, even a leisurely one , that would take place one hundred percent before the plan that was made has never happened, that's why there is a strategic plan of kyiv, we know of course that this one was adjusted for masol, how successful it will be, i'll say it again , it will be possible to speak firmly about the scenario closer to let's say by september to october, as always , very realistic analytics, thank you very serhiy rakhmanin, people's deputy, voice, member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, was on radio liberty, russian president vladimir putin will

allegedly visit the brics summit in august personally, brik is a group of states brazil russia india china and the south african republic park just planned for august from these same countries the president of the south african republic ramaphosa said about putin's personal participation and at the same time putin's spokesman dmytro piskov said that a personal meeting with putin at the brics summit is also possible is still ongoing and the format is allegedly not yet determined, why are we talking about this because the main intrigue of this visit is that the charms worship putin upon his arrival in the couple, because i will remind the couple that the rome statute was ratified and is obliged to arrest putin and transfer him to the international criminal court in gaza, and at the beginning of june even the reuters agency wrote that the brics themselves might move the spar to china precisely because of the probability of putin's arrest, at the same time the moscow times , citing russian officials, writes that putin's departure is still in question and including due to fears of a coup attempt in russia , because after the mutiny of the e-e pvk wagner in the kremlin

, they believe that a repetition of internal destabilization and loss of power is quite possible putin and his entourage are written by the publication well, well, us president joe biden announced the day before in helsinki that putin had already lost the war, that in the end he himself seems to think that the continuation of the war is not in russia's favor, here, in fact, you can argue with president biden, well, besides that, biden added that ukraine will join nato, but after the war it was just a statement, in the opposite case , he said, it would be the beginning of the third world war, no one can join nato while the war is going on, because it guaranteed to beat world war 3 the question is not should they join or shouldn't it is when exactly can they join and will they join nato to the question of

whether it will deter putin from continuing the war and the answer is that putin has already lost the war to putin is real the problem is how he should move on, what should he do, and therefore the idea is that what will be used to end the war, he can simply say i'm leaving, but what agreement will be reached in the end depends on putin , what he decides to do, i will remind you that joe biden is called exactly the person on whom it most depended on how exactly ukraine's invitation to nato will be formed in the final, which, according to the results, in vilnius, olga stefanishyna, deputy prime minister of european euro-atlantic integration, joins our broadcast. good evening. biden constantly emphasizes that there is a risk of a third world war, a nuclear war, if ukraine joins nato during the war. well, not that even if it joins

, it will receive some kind of invitation to nato. tell me what you want. please, can it be firmly said now that the lack of political invitation of ukraine to nato is actually due to the fear of washington and the fear of the third world war ah well, it is obvious that this is a certain manipulation. of course , during the period of a full-scale war on the territory of europe it is on the territory of ukraine that talks about er joining nato and spreading to ukraine the fifth article of the washington treaty a-and there can be no obvious such clarity, we got such clarity within the framework of the free summit, but er- is very important geopolitical decisions, such as the political invitation of ukraine, are very important and they are possible and can have a truly decisive effect, for us, for the citizens of ukraine, and actually for the preparation for

membership. and this year in vilnius, we heard for the first time that the speech could be about the invitation, when the conditions will be met, and actually today the government starts working on the corresponding interoperability roadmaps, which roadmaps is the government working on, if you did not hear any conditions at the summit in vilnius, you need to read between the lines before the questions about the invitation, it was about the fact that we have made a large enough progressive reform, that we have achieved a high level of interoperability, that further work is needed, and also that one of the documents that was presented for consideration by yourself is the road map for achieving the interoperability of ukraine with the forces of the alliance. one of the conditions necessary for a political decision to be adopted, before its implementation, we are actually now starting and organizing this work within

the framework of the nato council of ukraine, we will return to the reform let me return to the first on the first day of the summit, when volodymyr zelenskyi found out that the communiqué itself would not include a clear invitation of ukraine to the alliance, volodymyr zelenskyi called this decision absurd, and the very next day he said that the results of the summit were good, but if there had been an invitation, it would have been in general, perfect. please tell me. maybe i didn’t notice something, but it seemed to me that nothing happened between these two days. what prompted volodymyr zelenskyi to change his assessment of the summit a-a, besides the words about absurdity, it is very important that it was also about so that no decisions themselves would create an opportunity to negotiate with ukraine or with russia on the issues of ukraine's membership in nato, and

this is the information that actually created the space for a certain tension, we did not want to receive such a signal ourselves, and not to the russian federation received a signal that, in principle, ukraine can be controlled through manipulations related to ukraine's membership in nato, and we had reason to believe that, let's say, some countries promoted solutions that can be read that way, but actually when they arrived arbitrary and bilateral negotiations began when the last hours of preparing the communique were going on . it was calculated, but in general , it should be understood that we returned ukraine to the table of nato members

at the highest level, and there was no such meeting actually, hmm, for quite a long time, for many years, and already at the level of leaders, there was a direct discussion of the content of the decisions the summit and the work that will continue until washington itself, this allows us to state that there is a clear awareness , a real promise that ukraine will become a member of nato, that the conditions must be defined. and accordingly, we all realize that membership itself is a process and it will launched after the end of the war, you said that it is necessary to determine the conditions. who and in what time frame should determine these conditions in order for these conditions to be determined? they were discussed, well, that's when the ukraine nato council was created. the first of the meetings was held at the level of leaders, and then

this council will function at different levels, and in matters of membership , issues of conditions and e-e projections within the framework of a comprehensive assistance package, this work will be coordinated by me, and a format at the level of ministers of foreign affairs and ministers of defense has also been initiated , and a defense military committee has been introduced, and a committee on e-e issues has been introduced implementation of projects with nato that is, all these conditions will be developed jointly at the site of the nato council of ukraine, actually starting next week once again. allow me to make it clear to me and our audience in vilnius according to the results, volodymyr zelenskyi said that ukraine will become a member of nato when the war in ukraine ends, at least this is the point of view the president is trying to convey to the domestic ukrainian audience, but for the sake of justice, kyiv did not receive such guarantees at the nato summit in vilnius, this is only the interpretation of volodymyr zelenskyi and no one of the ukrainian government officially created

a single document in vilnius that states that ukraine will become a member of nato after the end of the war, and i, uh, call for a collection of which really are interested in this issue, read the final committee for themselves, as i predict that ukraine will become a member of nato. it predicts that on this path, ukraine does not need an action plan regarding membership and predicts that the invitation will be extended to ukraine when the relevant e-e conditions are met, moreover, before you and i started this discussion, and you actually included the press conference of president biden, who will confirm verbatim the message that the country cannot become a member of nato in the conditions of war, so it is actually objective facts and i can say exactly how much i was present at the very meeting of the nato council of ukraine that each of the 30 e-e of the two

allies, including sweden, which was present, confirmed and what is often ukraine , this is a process that we shortened today to which we are starting to move and actually, after the war, it will be an exclusively political decision that can be made quickly enough, but is it correct? i understand that ukraine really wanted the final communiqué to contain the thesis that ukraine will be a member of nato when it ends war and not when some conditions will be allowed there. i think that uh, we were more inclined to the fact that it is in the decision of vyrensky itself , the same could be the wording. what would assume that ukraine is invited to join nato and the corresponding process will be launched when they will allow conditions, but in the final formulation of the allies, they still provided for a wider framework, but it is important for us that

already on the site of the nato council of ukraine, we will be able to embroider this process and, actually, not er-er, turn it from a political promise into specific work, thank you very much for this comment, interview olga stefanishyna, deputy prime minister, some petra , call you, subscribe to the pages of radio freedom on the internet, like this broadcast , the youtube algorithm works in this way what the more likes, the more people will know about us support independent journalism in this way. well, traditionally , all news is on the website of radio freedom and subscribe to the pages of radio freedom on the internet, instagram, telegram, facebook, twitter , and svoboda life will be back on the air in

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. and modify the basic theses for different audiences in different ways . if solovyov shouts at night on his niche channel that it is necessary to blackmail the world with a threat nuclear strikes in london, paris, berlin, for more than a year, the audience in the skabeevo has been hinting at this. this is how it can be stopped. well, we always go behind the line of escalation, that is, we are catching up with it, and now, if 10, we are also talking about the atomic the nuclear factor, we somehow need to play it, play it, play it, with alternative actions, we have to increase the degrees of escalation on our side, and the degrees of escalation are not for the rope block, but for the americans. political scientist serhiy karaganov and deputy chairman of the security council of the russian federation dmitry medvedev serhii karaganov writes in the article a difficult

but necessary decision that the war of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine no longer makes sense and in fact will not be successful, he says so. well, we even have a schedule for this. the worst situation can happen. if i value the terrible victims, we will capture all of ukraine and be left in ruins with a population that hates us the most . it will take more than a decade to re-educate it. i.e. you must understand it so that the author fra -translates great doubts around the kremlin staff that the war against ukraine can, in principle, be successful. that is why he has such a fantasy that a more attractive option