[000:00:00;00] guarantor for the countries of the eastern flank of nato, and this is what we come to the joint table with, and that is why i say that we were manipulated in addition to those fears that imposed restrictions on the decisions of many leaders, that this will be an escalation, that it will lead to the use of a possible e- of nuclear weapons in general nuclear war was that it was manipulative narratives said that we are asking for membership no, we asked for a political invitation that will become a commitment and start the procedures for further membership and even sullivan manipulated and said that ukraine's membership in nato means a war between nato and the russian federation and we tried to explain why this is not the case and this is an extremely important work, so i will say that the first thing is yes we did not hear what we wanted, we set the bar a little too high, we did it deliberately, let's be honest, we demanded the maximum, i hope we will get it

an attack will give everything an attack, they will feel what more is needed for acceleration, plus why it is important for us, we linked this invitation as part of the strategy for the approach of victory and the end of the war with a ukrainian victory and nato they have such a distribution, here membership in nato and all the procedures are one story , but military-technical cooperation, assistance is another story, so listen and they will open up to you. ask and it will be given to you, answering the first question. well, when will there be ukraine, i don't know, it will be formed puzzles, but it is obvious that many people associate even this weak decision now at the summit with the fact that the situation on the battlefield and let's also say that everyone loves winners , we will demonstrate success, then immediately everyone will want ukraine to join nato, and then answering your question, how quickly will this happen then already everyone will want, understanding with what and where ukraine is in nato, on kissinger - he said that ukraine should

be invited to nato, at least in order to control it, because it will become such a power and such a force that we need , so the work continues, i can say that these security agreements are obligations that within the framework of j7 they need to be developed and taking into account the situation on the battlefield and what we really lacked , that is why right now i am more concerned about f16 acceleration of exercises, i am worried about the attacks, everything that has not been sounded and this is extremely important and what should be the strategy of victory and it is desirable for us before the presidential elections in the usa and other electoral processes that will be educational so that we do not become someone else's toy, here is one of the ideas with which you ended, this is a military and technical employee, mr. oleksandr, your impression of the results what are your conclusions anyway? and the most important thing is that we heard this communiqué with three points , why there is a huge new aid package that was allocated at the same time, perhaps, as someone says , in order not to be so offended, but again at

the same time rocks are served and taurus is told no it won't happen anyway, and it won't happen like this, which everyone was waiting for, anyway, because when mrs. hanna says, of course, everyone loves a winner, but we understand that nato's war strategy provides for strikes on the first immediately on three lines of defense, which includes both airplanes and long-range missiles a they don't let us do that, that is, how can we understand how we can move on and what's most important: what did we get? what did the front get? yes, everyone is asking. okay, the diplomats from the political assessment, the miracle did not happen, and those who did not expect miracles, and i mean the expert community ukrainian is clear that there would not be an invitation, but the question is that this informational campaign is by our government and the masses of the land. it was fueled in order to mobilize ukrainian society and influence our partners. it is a pity that this influence did not succeed. and i would metaphorically i say that ukrainian idealism ran into american realism, that is, the risks that they see, well, his team is to give

such a signal to ukraine, it is higher than the profit that will be more effective. first of all, it is difficult to compare a strategic thing. that is, the kamenyaks are talking about the fact that in the future, that is, that ukraine will be a member of nato. the language there is more or less normal. of course , we do not like the wording that there will be a consensus. and by the way, ukraine has to become a champion in order to propose what conditions we have to fulfill it, as with a peace plan, they don't come to us and say, let's have a ceasefire there and then there's peace talks. the peace plan, whether of zelenskyi or of ukraine, whatever you want to call it, is also what we have to do here, the rnp annual national programs , we have to propose an innovative idea so that it is not a bureaucratic document in which you cannot find something there and implement it. and so that it is a conceptual new thing about corruption and then when asked what exactly do you remember , no one could explain it absolutely

well, of course ukraine is corruption , we have had this label for 30 years, we know that we have this corruption, but i'm sorry no one has canceled this strategic corruption of a pan-european scale. well, that's it. of course, the group of seven and the document that was made public are extremely interesting . so far, it is difficult to evaluate it because there are no specifics because there must be bilateral agreements . system, we constantly say security guarantees and i think this is very dangerous . if you read this document published by the group of seven , it talks about obligations, and in youth there are no guarantees. i would call it not guarantees of security, but guarantees of security of assistance, and of course there are very cool points, first of all, what are those obligations for

by and large, the first rammstein is the good will of our partners that they give us now it will be a legally binding document and we will count on certain capabilities in the future not only during this war but in the future the second extremely important moment they are ready to help us to restore those uh, let's say military defense enterprises, that is, industrially, the ability to produce ammunition and weapons is extremely important . we should not depend on uh, anyone, even our best friends, well, even allies can sometimes fail. that is, this is the second axis , the extremely important point, the third point there , of course there is also support for the economy and other things. it was clear that we are at war and in fact all resources are going to war. we cannot survive without the help that our western partners give. there are also demands. there is a reform of the security and defense sector, there is a right, these law enforcement agencies, corruption - these are general things, but by and large , ukrainian society needs them first of all, and not only for a check mark to allow us to join nato or the european union, and an important point for

our primarily american partners it's transparency and accountability for the use of weapons, you know, it's great, these scandals that were er, mean trumpians er, inspired what do you mean, no one controls how these weapons can end up in bad hands this has never happened and never has, and i know for a fact that there are contacts between our military ministries of defense and the american ministries of defense, there are no complaints about how we use these weapons, that they end up on uh, there are no other groups , that is why this is such an important moment, now there will be let's see the negotiations. it's a pity that we didn't see the morning one, let's say. well, i would like the capabilities that will be provided to us and the package that you mentioned already directly there and the germans . it's very cool, of course. all this is needed , of course. we need more. i understand that why did he say that, he is a great friend of ukraine, uh, he has an extremely good relationship with our military and political leadership, but he is one of the greatest friends

of ukraine. it seems to us that he was not talking about himself and not about britain, first of all, we are grateful to the british we are grateful to everyone and the british are special, they have been helping us since the 14th year, they would thank us in the morning if they were free, yes, yes, yes, every day , yes, every second , they were always the first to give something that they did not give to others. how are the leopards there? but it was a matter of principle, and the third point is that they are pushing others, that is, in fact , the germans have caught up a bit with these fellow europeans, they should be thanked for the fact that they have changed, but he was talking about, first of all, those skeptics in the usa who say, well, this is too rich, we need a big check, well it is necessary to weigh in some way there are also trumpians who say to stop aid altogether, today mr. trump made it public, or rather his son made it public , his father also made it public in trump, er, litvid, and there it is

, to cancel the aid altogether, and er, 22 hours he will solve this war and peace will come, we understand at what cost and of course there are those who are more or less reasonable who are skeptical about him who never ends and for them they need arguments actually he said this, that is, not about himself personally and that is, britain is here e- he said that i want to explain that we were not talking about britain, but about other countries, ukraine must understand that not everyone supports us as much as we , the british. in the fields, the president of the czech republic petropavlovich said so unequivocally that ukraine must show results by the end of the year, otherwise they will be encouraged to negotiate , how important do you think this is, what will happen during the counteroffensive, and whether ukraine will leave this status as a nato member or not it will be possible to trade in the peace talks, well, if we are talking about uh, the last

point, uh, barwinchip, that is, another chip with which you can trade there, uh, well, jack salvan said no, i think he can be trusted the usual one, they kept him a little bit and daryna kilyniuk made a maid there, which, as they say, of course, it was a very, very appropriate question , they are emotional. the collapse of the russian federation, that is, in principle, she said everything correctly, they all have a fork in which they think, but here it is . what will we do? strategy in the russian direction and already several times er, well, let's say reality showed that he was wrong to park russia. it was not possible to stop the er invasion on february 24, it was not possible and then further down the list regarding that, this is

absolutely er acting of our military defense forces this is what will decide future aid and our own desire to talk with moscow or not absolutely, this year is extremely critical of course we understand the limited industrial capacity of our western partners and you , for example, what these cassette tapes gave us ammunition is because there is a shortage of conventional ammunition. and when they make up for it, they will stop supplying us with it because there are moral nuances, yes, during the elections, he also said about it, when the decision was made, he explained why, in principle, the occupation of ukrainian territories, which uh, means torture and everything that our fellow citizens do not feel in the russian world, they are much worse than ugu, that there will be success on the battlefield, it will be the encouragement of others, again, we remember the elections of november 24th in the united states

, of course, the exit of us is on the several milestones what will be the positive side of the campaign, because we can see that the trumpians are betting that this money should be redirected to the families, that is , american families should not be brought to the third world war, that is, all this propaganda is russian, it is acting on the scum of politicians, not just some of propagandists this is extremely important and of course i am worried about the amount of help for the next year because we are at war with no matter how we gas with the russians this is the biggest power in europe meat and iron a lot of willingness to sacrifice everything to to stay in power, and of course we need to destroy all of this , to study our country a lot, of course our lobbying should be not only political , washington's nato is a very important thing - it is a strategic weapon and what protects us, this priority

in fact, many people do not understand why when they say about the russian army that it is the second army in the world , it is the second army in the world not in terms of quality, but in terms of the number of people and weapons. summarized spoke colleagues questions for you your conclusions your summary your after the taste of the nato summit i especially want to ask you know in the context of geo-world politics because what happened in vilnius also but not only moscow without even taking your eyes off the tv but also leaving tehran and they also received their signals and something they therefore, i understood your conclusions from what happened, and at the end i raised this question, which was very aptly asked by marichka. will the topic of nato accession in six months, in 9 months, become again the topic of negotiations with these points in turkey this topic then put it there interestingly in ukraine everyone woke up eh nikto po-moime in this

31 already soon 324 nato nikto мы большой программы программу the population of ukraine believed that we could be switzerland's second and at the same time did not understand that switzerland itself has an armed army without teeth and still does not understand much . unfortunately, it also didn't make it until two so in the second year, we already understood, i’m not talking about us, namely the population, and it’s only just that the rock has already changed. let’s say that polls were conducted in ukraine in relation to nato until the 14th year. and now we have approximately 85% of ukrainians. 79 is the southeast line 93% are western, but in any case, ukraine has radically changed its opinion. i am talking about the ukrainian people, who realized that we cannot live in this world truly

without allies, and since we have broken ourselves and life itself psychologically, and finally we woke up, we now do not live in ukraine reception childhood, the same thing, not the same thing, was very important. i think success if we immediately pay attention to ourselves there, eh, ukraine, nata bukharist, april 18, the eighth year, when everything was considered, basically , everything was considered that ukraine, why is she there, more than we are, many of us precisely tied it the word "success" or true security of ukraine is a synonym for neutrality, this is yura 's fortune , it has evaporated we we must understand perfectly well that this alliance is not going to be easy, and in my opinion, when we were going for uh, it was a temporary time , we said so in advance, in fact, we set a plan to the maximum, we are definitely ready to model

our society, but we knew that it is unreal otherwise . never to anyone i set the date all the time, they gave the nealsa plan-dipal implant and then the magic introduction is the meeting. i want to remind you that from such a country the great stranger means allies, friends, eh, finland, she was waiting for her chance for 70 years, the swede was waiting for his chance 180 years we have done so much in two years that in saudi arabia they look at us with envy in good sense . the ship is some sort of rapprochement, what kind of concessions have you made , for example

, have you made concessions? we don't need allies. give us guarantees that you will be on our side. this to us they finally got rid of us or freed us from the plan because it is very important and we must understand it perfectly. i would ask you not to contact me right away. i will tell you right away what the skeptics say . yes, at least something gave us at least some kind of promise . and there is nothing here - this is a sign for moskvy what can be the entry of ukraine is very uh-uh very unexpected since ukraine received exactly the candidate i want to make it clear to everyone that from the moment of russia's invasion of ukraine there were two renata three candidates finland sweden and ukraine god ukraine it's an honor two candidates вропоросы решён ина такая will gather in freedom . i would say that he is not for our sake. the main case is that - it was sweden.

i am the former secretary general of nato and i, when former honsekov, they speak more openly . they can prepare for a training war and now that nato will understand perfectly well if it joins, it will accept membership , a country that is in the glory of war, that means it must activate five of this article and putin wants it. putin wants to test this article again. if it was not asked, and now putin wants this. and if, god forbid, they will accept us and it cannot be used, we must show ourselves that he is incapable, incapable, and putin will receive the greatest gift. and that is why ukraine did not give putin this gift in the second

строны созданы новые рады которые было было украина natov in which ukraine does not just come for ukraine's consultations . it has the right to vote and that's how she spoke to them . part of the article when everything was understood, it is interesting not uptants that everyone understood that all these wonderful meetings are those that figuratively spoke i am going to have to finish them photo but ukraine with its strong hand bloody which name- bloody from zelenskiy, he turned the entire formal meeting into a working one and gave it to this general who brews only war and forced them to get it . i don't know much, we'll find out after the final and we talked

about it yesterday . and today i'm already in ukraine, and they 're giving us the usa. that we collectively demined the fields, which according to putin it was sown and just like in the usa yes, here is the understanding because these ammunition will mainly be sent to hang er russian papyri to myself, i can’t exactly make either of them at the negotiation. where will erdoğan meet putin in august it is possible that they will change the course of the war in order to clear the way for our counteroffensive , that is, they are helping us in such a way that we will achieve more success.

everything was silent, but now the question is, and zelensky is speaking with us , so no one will be there for you now, but we are really asking for integration, but not one country out of 32 was able to integrate practically at first. self-imposed standards on then entered us vremya voyny my menyaetsya precisely nashey te 72 to e-e to leopardov s-300 to patriot and so on by name and that is why and those that remained and still a mouse with brains in the kremlin they caught the signal that if putin started this war to push it away like it expanded to the north, we are talking about this state of the baltic states and we are talking about finland and sweden. in addition, the birth signal that ukraine will be nato means that the west is not ready and nato will not be tested anymore, but the status of ukraine. the basis for repelling the states, but behind them, the trellists received, too, from france, a new

scalped. these long-range rockets are very much available to me, and this is very good , this is enough. because we have to criticize our allies, we have the right to criticize ourselves, that we lived for 30 years, we can't see, we couldn't see , we couldn't see. in this, there are huge results, and at the same time, we can definitely see that we if we do not understand, because there is no specific plan, it means no, you are right, we must be, as they said last time, exactly the words, exactly stubborn, then we can also start

tactically, the nuclear arsenal says, since there were no specific guarantees, without problems, we develop our own, and in order to change any level or the rules of negotiations, we must change our names and become stronger, and thank you very much for what you presented there, we are working on it, but we are also working on that in parallel as we consider our internal ukrainian doctrine, and in addition to this, the western or especially strange eastern flank perfectly understands that ukraine is not just a guarantor of europe's security, ukraine is the sewing of europe, and that is precisely the fortress, if the explosion explodes, it will be a repeat of the molotov-ribbentrop next to poland, come, everyone understood now, our ally is a real lawyer, and you will definitely be on the flanks, they will not be able to join the war, it is likely that he will count on a quick victory so that it will be soon

pobeda what where is the war precisely in the sea and on the ground the current one has already er strengthened its flanks in all directions and on the ground it was necessary to turn on precisely a-a vymyf of sweden it was this is necessary for special purposes for nato now received two percent of the gdp of a strong state. in the very second factory in the world for the production of ammunition, sweden itself and the most powerful fleet where the baltics are located in sweden and turned the baltic sea into a nato lake, the second lake after the black sea or ours is visiting and i will ask you if you agree with this opinion that was voiced that nato understands that a war with russia is inevitable ana , you got the impression that they are preparing for this war and the strengthening of the eastern grouping by 300,000 e-e contingent from yes

because we are already seeing concrete steps, we can see the example of romania, which says let's train on the f16, we don't have it in arizona, where do we want to send our pilots, where are the romanian pilots currently training for the f-35 ? it is important that it is good that now there is ukraine that protects moldova, but in the future we also need to think about how to protect, obviously that is exactly why it should have been one of our ideas that ukraine is what everyone is saying, we cannot now invite to the crime because the article will start to work the fifth, and there were even such manipulations, why , in addition to weapons, do american taxpayers give the most, they still have to pay a fifth for this article, and we tried to explain that friends between the beginning of the invitation and the entry and when the article will come into effect, well, from finland, a year passed in sweden the process is still ongoing, so we don't know how long, but for ukraine , we are already de facto the security guarantor

for the countries of nato's eastern flank, because article five, which affects nato, has never been applied in nato, but we are already applying it well 2001 but well now i mean for this period after the invasion and so on where they are all afraid of this fear that there will be a nato war , remember all this company biden told every international judge protector every centimeter of nato will be protected how did they react in panic when the missiles wrecked some fell on their territory, they did not react , they never forgot in the black sea, there was a lot of analysis, if this drone had been theirs in the black sea, and the reaction was insufficient , because then well, i have a question, for example, whose after all, the missiles were on the territory of poland, and i think that everyone knows whose missiles were in poland, but they were simply not ukrainian, they were not ukrainian. well, i would say so, and many experts on the sidelines say that then nato is why they understand that in

we need to help ukraine because if everything goes well there will be a global military confrontation and it will go beyond the borders of ukraine, but our message is to give us weapons as soon as possible because we are in a war of attrition and we have even developed a whole analysis of the scenarios of the end of the war where we explain what about the approaches that are now being given to us, well, they are gradually trickling down little by little. we cannot compete with russia in terms of military potential, man-power, human resources , if there will be a war in the future, this is what putin wants to drag on for the whole spring, let's just look at the russian economy hellish sanctions were promised, but they did not happen , i.e. 11 packages of sanctions did not stop russia's ability to produce drones, produce guided bombs and continue to carry out attacks on a daily basis, so our call was precisely this sense in the progeny, a call for the urgency of urgency because russia doesn't count with soldiers, they don't care how many people die, like in zhukov's time, but for us, every life is important, and that's why we

just wanted to say, friends, between the decision of prohamers, tanks and f-16s and atakams and even cool ammunition well, we were in washington in march in the pentagon, they demanded them and provided an explanatory note why this is important, that's why our message is now , uh, good membership, gnato, we understand your fears. we can agree on some of them , but it is very important for ukraine to win this war because when we do not want to be at the negotiating table a year ago and we were always told we want to give ukraine everything it needs so that you yourself decide when the time will come when you sit down at the negotiating table, it will be your decision, but you will write from the position of procrastination or delay with some weapons and our exhaustion, i will have a question about whether a situation will arise when two exhausted people will already sit down at the negotiating table and it will no longer be ukraine

who dictates the conditions, and that is why we are precisely explaining that ukraine's accession to nato is a strategic the defeat of russia together with the military defeat on our territory when because well and even a change of regime they are afraid of the collapse of disintegration , it's like deja vu when thatcher came, when there was disintegration of the soviet union, kyiv , chickens, oven, oleksandr, let's throw the ball around е chronyka vopros exactly must be understood why precisely uh important message no it doesn't look like that because strong dashes sounded decisive from the west we are the most important in our country biden and why , for example, there was no local heard concrete because he has elections and all of his messages, imagine if it’s now on his messages, it’s clear that it’s time to fight with russia, it’s going to hit

his lectureship and any candidate hard ізбирателем but this cannot be accepted strongly on this operation we need what is written on the paper let them declare whatever they want and i need it unreal but on the real ones we got something normal well we need to continue in 16 many that he does not understand f16 and about why i about finland, we disagree, finland is not ready, finland is ready since 20 years, it’s just a performance because they are waiting for a chance for finland at the moment when the application is complete, everything is standard, it was absolutely nato, it’s just nikita, we were getting ready to wait, that is, we need to understand the word patience and understand how the europeans everything is taken away, there is a process, there is a format, the institution is about it, because in 16 f16 is a special plane in which such countries are not at war with anyone, they have no problems