[000:00:00;00] this is according to the patriot-patriot system, and to explain in particular to these voters who say that the war is somewhere far away, you are with the pennsylvania flint . the ammunition factory is already working in three shifts . they also earn and that's why we have to make it clear that we thank you, we are not asking for your troops, we defend ourselves, but we are grateful to you for the weapons. polish baltic countries, if we make this company so much. it seems to me that ukraine is the 33rd in nato, and this is extremely important . it will be like this. it will be a case for everyone. well, i think that this example of the indo-pacific region is for some of those who fear china more than russia . federation, although the nuclear potential of china is very far from the nuclear potential

of the russian federation, if they say that one of the threats is escalation and nuclear war . therefore, these arguments are presented to me. well, it really seems to me that it is also important inside the country that is, you know, er, very often you hear their excuses excuse that you are not fighting corruption enough, although strategic corruption and erosion of western democrats, kirt has also been sitting for 8 years when he is extradited to the usa, so it is not about that, but we need to make sure that until no one had any of us, so that we were from the point of view of argumentation, that we were simply told ukraine, we invite you, please, as the borscht of our kitchen said, a diplomatic cherry , where she recently went to this uman, that's why anna hopko, head of the board of the protection network of national interests and nts oleksandr khmara expert center of defense but santa hara experiment center of defense strategies diplomats and mohammed faranjala editor

-in-chief ukraine in arabic were guests of our discussion studio today washington 8:24 p.m. today we gave a new slogan, so we take everything they give and calculate what we need and do what we need 1+1 continues the national telethon at this time we work in the format of a discussion platform the night watch is traditionally with me, my colleague nataliya ostrovska, i am yevgeny plinskyi, and today's topic that we have chosen for discussion has been of interest to everyone since the beginning of the war. it is a trophy that we get by seizing them from our enemy. in russia, these war trophies that

our military received thanks to special capabilities thanks to the defense forces of our country, well, there is such a statistic. that the russians spent 26 billion dollars on their nuclear weapons in january-february 2023, this is 300% more than last year, but what exactly is the armament, we will understand today thanks to andrii rudik thank you for visiting this is the captain representative of the center for prospective and trophy research thank you for visiting thank you for visiting thank you so congratulations mr. andrii let's start with well, during this time the program i want to talk about everything about tanks about russian aviation about artillery on but that what you brought deserves special attention because every night ukrainians suffer from

the so-called shaheds, which russia passes off as its own kamikaze drones, but we know that these are iranian products and you brought them to us in the studio is precisely the elements of this killer drone that does not allow ukrainians to live peacefully and sleep. please tell me how you researched it, what you brought, and what kind of device it is , more deeper , what is a scammer ? a paradox, well, not even a paradox, it is due to the fact that, let's say, the constant conduct of hostilities, the constant desire of the russians to bypass our air defense system there, and they are trying to improve it so that i, therefore, what i have brought now is already different from those martyrs what were the users there in october last year, that is, they are constantly trying to improve, and that is why, concluding my

sentence, our research is constantly ongoing. in kyiv we investigate the trophies there throughout the territory of ukraine, we collect the material base, we re-examine every detail , every microcircuit, the board in principle. each element in order to identify certain regularities, how it is made what technological processes are used, how to deal with this, in fact, so that our armed forces of ukraine and other components of the defense forces of ukraine can effectively oppose the enemy with this technology, including these technologies, and directly to protect our citizens so that all this cannot affect their homes and take their lives hello, tell me about it, because there was an attack on the city of kyiv a few days ago, and as far as we understand, it has already been modernized. well, let's say i took some components from older ones. some of the models we will call intermediate directly so that we are not showing such a new one yet because we are currently

studying it. for example, the relay is clearly visible from 1992. it is quite an old woman . bykova mine 136 and bpla zao 421 16e, respectively, we have one of the conclusions during the examinations in the course of the research we are conducting is that the russians are missing , that is, they are really modifying the chess among the shahed, but they lack certain details because they are even forced to use such old relays, and it is too early for soviet work. well, in fact, the soviet post is the soviet one, because the 92nd year is not an iranian player, this relay is already what was produced in the 92nd year after the collapse of the soviet union , a special military therefore that some say that they are used both from washing machines and from refrigerators. is this a drone that was simply modified in russia or is it already the same drone that russia manufactures from spare parts and assembles it on the territory of russia, we

cannot establish this, it is not within our competence our task, that is, we are really investigating the technological connections, what are the details, and let's say, the supply channels and where it is collected in the course of research, we cannot establish what it is for , what its function is. well, in fact, we need to switch where there is electricity . the detail is simply russia, the russians are capable of producing such things themselves, there are no problems with this right away, the peculiarity is that this roar there is not in the year 23, not in the 22nd, there is not even 2010 of the cdr, imagine the year 92, that is, they even have problems with it would seem and with such a simple component to andrii, can you confirm the information that the russians are now using less metal in shasheds in order for our fish to be fixed later on the territory of ukraine, what more are they trying to use plastic to spy inside, well, look, there are indeed such assumptions, but we still we are working on this because there is no how else to say it scientifically, you know the pp of a certain process in aviation. that is, we need

, if this also did not sound paradoxical, more martyrs are not in poni, so that they fall to the territory of ukraine, and so that we can examine the samples, because you see what i brought today is a navigation module. it burned up in the process of knocking down one of the chessmen. it burned completely. i will take it. it burned completely. there are certain microcircuits in it. here is the board, here are the chips, that is, this is what it looks like when it is knocked down , that is, you see, it is quite difficult to examine it because it was burned, please, one microcircuit burned all of it, it is almost impossible to investigate, and that is why we need more samples to process such conclusions, that is, such assumptions are indeed being formed, but we still cannot confirm this for sure because our task is to issue specific working conclusions and not just, you know, one machine at a time. it is necessary. we are collecting precisely for this reason. we are trying to get as many details as possible from all attacks, but it has become more difficult to detect recently

. look, we are not specifically responsible for the work of air defense. of air defense i would be able to give you such data at our center, we do not have such data and what did you find out during this study of the evolution of the shaheds ? how they work, you can definitely find out the direction, and we find out such directions, well, the engine is quieter, they can’t make money there technologically, it’s difficult after all , but here’s just an example - it’s what we call an intermediate navigation module or something well the navigation module, which one is more convenient, that is, it is a pity that i did not bring the previous one, it had to be moved to bring where it is clear , and it is much smaller, it is much more compact, that is, they are trying to reduce certain details in a certain way, then also

we showed the gsm transceiver at the previous briefing of our center. just a completely new part, we are still figuring out why exactly it is needed there, what signals it can transmit, and for what, that is, one role, then we discover here more such, you know, older components, this all also applies to navigation, all these blocks that is we see here the names of the boards, everything is here. that is, everything can be found by searching open sources there, but in this jesintentner, we discovered the fact that all the details are completely erased, that is, they are simply replaced so that it is not possible to establish there neither the origin nor the date of production, nothing at all. well it's also interesting because what you noticed is that the means of communication are usually marked by the russian federation with the fsb marking. i apologize for the tautology , that is, what is there? of the army well, we cannot give an answer to this, because well , we are just analyzing the details, but this just shows that it was done

in a hurry, because there is no fsb marking there , that is, they installed, well, there is, and it is assumed that, in principle, shihidis are produced in an artisanal way, and not directly in a factory so powerful and so on. that's why it was installed in such an angular way. and what kind of gps bond is there inside it, and because some also say that well, telegram channels report that shaheds fly from that direction and some say well, why can't they start shooting them outside the city and not in kyiv, so that they already cause such powerful consequences , why is it difficult to do? well, as for gps navigation, there is really a minefield, it actually has combined navigation, it is gps galanas, that is, already the russians and they connected their system, well, gps , according to the veteran, is an inertial system , i.e., gps is his, it allows the specific operator of this bpova to see where he is there in a certain way, to give him

commands to remotely drive him when for example, this component can be turned off by radio-electronic means of radio-electronic warfare, the inertial guidance system remains, which allows it to move further, that is, in fact, because of this, the nobles here know how they say in army slang to plant, well , you can’t, so you have to shoot it down, answering the second part of your question . against air defense in the principle of mobile calculations, because it is better to shoot down small arms and small arms from the pit of caliber machine guns or from such machines the cheetahs mentioned work is not like you just sit in the cockpit. you can see everything there as it is, that is, it is not difficult to guess the direction. i'm sorry, they have a motor that flies, so any ordinary citizen will be able to hear something acoustically , but it is important to find out exactly where he is flying this is one difficult point, another difficult point, in contrast to the same cruise missiles or ballistic missiles, which are much smaller in size and hover at extremely low altitudes to fix them , respectively, by means of radar reconnaissance

, and because of this, the shahids have to be shot down on the outskirts of the city, the problem is precisely related to this. and why precisely on the outskirts of the city, because well, it is visually better observed , we don't have a number . we ca n't. it is unreal, any system will not do it, neither israeli, nor swiss, nor american, nor even dutch, to close the shahedam there, there is an opinion that this is a very, very primitive means of waging war, and the kamikaze drone is very primitively made in fact, there is an engine, a combat part, what kind of primitive microcircuits and er and it is very inexpensive as far as you can see that this is a really primitive er tool is it still more er myths when you start

to investigate what is inside the shahed i see that it is it's not quite a primitive toy, well, it's obvious that it's not a primitive toy for children, it has to be designed, but you know, from the point of view of the development of unmanned lethal vehicles, your et specifically, even er , it's correct to call it a barrage munition, it's not exactly a drone a more anti-bittzist name mainly for such techniques and those technologies well, they call it barrage ammunition . this is quite a really primitive technology because there is a copied engine of irish production of madoi, which is copied from a german engine . here it is really primitive, just a four-cylinder two-stroke with a wooden propeller, everything is very simple the fuel tank is used there simply, well, a cut-off bottle, as if plastic, is not needed there , the same is true in the russian ones there, bto there, like the orlan

, we also found there just a five-liter bottle there the eggplant is trimmed, cut out, everything is there, the fuel pipes are connected, that is, the technology is quite simple, basically the most expensive thing in the shahid is the engine. oddly enough, even though it is copied to me, it just pulls the most , we don’t even pay for these microcircuits, that is, they are much cheaper than the engine itself, the most expensive is the engine, something else well, in essence, its task is to destroy a certain object there because it is a barrage munition, well, there are already several different types , it is said that i am against concrete shelters there, there are against radar systems, and so on, but well, it has only one task to destroy the object because the equipment was complex military, are such household elements also found in the city? natalya said that there are almost not the correct machines that are being pulled out , some are being assembled. well, the degradation of materials, first of all, the very first martyrs who came directly from the veteran side

, by the russian occupier, then they were, let’s say , when they were not modified, we saw them there in their original form, there already, let’s say so. the soldering of the boards themselves was different, that is, the iranians soldered them conditionally, they tried to do it one moment, another moment, when the russians tried to modify them, we see a certain degradation, because it is older, again, like this one, and old parts appear. that is, it can read about the fact that in they have certain technological problems with obtaining these microcircuits , we are probably just skipping it, it is connected with the sanctions policy, including but also with the load on their vpc because, as a rule , again, we will talk about other samples techniques, the russian federation is simply not able to do many things, even to swim themselves, i will show you there on uh, already on the example of this device, you can clearly see where the foreign solder is, where they were able to get this board there. previously there somewhere well, i don’t know specifically there yes

but this is a foreign payment. and where exactly is the russian ration, that it is crude, just hastily made to supply weapons, and the fact that they used 26 billion dollars in two months of this year and the fact that they are getting some rations, also the foreign details correlate with what was soviet weapons are they using such crazy funds, but what else have you researched, we will ask in a few minutes, very interesting, interesting conversation, although the question about tanks and aviation is short with interruptions, sale ukraine is a sovereign and independent state, its territory is intact and inviolable, and we would fight for it as much as possible we the people are the only source of power in

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via thank you for visiting today just in time a year and two months ago, you have completed your center. we congratulate you, we understand how difficult this work is, because while you were showing us the details of the shahed's training, you were completely in dirty hands. we can only imagine the conditions under which you work with missiles . as far as we know, you research heavy weapons, such as tanks, one of them was captured by our military during the counteroffensive in the kharkiv region, now we can see it on our wall and you will tell us what is inside and strong - these are the sides of the number -bki 90 breakthrough it is it it is it t-90 m breakthrough is so famous solovetny it as it turned out, it is not very difficult russia of the commander seems like an apple museum of old technology, everything seems to me to be written enough, it concerns the skin itself, it’s just

that they change the skin to hide the foreign origin, as a rule, because there is the same everywhere there are emblems, markings and so on , that is, the commander’s place, we see that the control panels are different control points, that is, in general, it looks normal, that is , you can see clearly, this is exactly this tank, the photos from it are directly ours they were made by military personnel who are engaged in the research of armored vehicles there. that is, this is the place of the operator's guide there, although not everything is visible there. the communication devices are indicated there, and so on . that the russians serve him well, it is obviously the most publicized there that it is a cool tank there that it can do everything there it is impenetrable there and indeed to the large-scale aggression of the russian federation against ukraine well this tank was not hit anywhere, i.e. we were the first in history to essentially destroy this one there and destroyed it for trophies there and researched it there

accordingly, well, obviously if trophy equipment was put into service there, we captured several of them, by the way, it’s not one captured tank, i.e. then, accordingly, it is used in the future, but as a rule , it is more important to research it, that is, all this was analyzed, all these control modules there, tracking there, and so on, were analyzed because it is important for us to understand what they are made of without substance, the same is used it doesn't look like that, we have specialists over there. we all know that if we knew everything, there would be no point in taking it apart. that is, we investigated even this is not just a rag, it is not a rag , it is a special complex of capes that are used for that well, the russians say so that it is used in order to reduce the typical track of the tank there and to reflect certain radio rays there so that it is not detected there by the means of radio-electronic intelligence, that is, and even that is, the cape itself , we investigated and investigated the fact that everything on the sides, this applies to dean on protection, i.e., dynamic protection, contact and dynamic protection, a relic of the tank itself is located on the tower, well, they are not visible here because of the cape

. well, the cannon is clear, because the engine was captured with ammunition , everything was completely disassembled, everything was definitely examined , that is, it is important to note the main elements of the t-90 m itself, first of all, the engine is weak , because this engine is there, er, v2, it is completely there , v290f is there, and so on. of the old soviet v2 engine of 1937, which was still on t-34 tanks, that is, it is obvious that it was modernized there. to give more thrust there, and this is the engine there, it is called the same selo installation. but in fact, it has certain nuances. they also check how well i am there in the conditions of the temperature drop, and in the tank it is just the temperature drop. it is really quite difficult there . obviously, this is not an easy service. well, in principle , what is any military service, but this engine has a certain power drop, this is nuances ie

of the power plant itself, then once again the engine is a perfect engine, not yet a t-34, which is the most, as they like to say, deep modernization. that is how this old engine should have been given a photo, where we can compare this engine removed from this tank and the engine and st. i was interested in what you said that a large amount of equipment is foreign-made , which is disguised as russian . please tell me the number of foreign components in the systems there. radar cleaning, some sort of gun control is possible, what is the number of foreign complexes in this tank? so the t-90m. in short, it’s just a t-72b - it’s a tank of 1985 production, and it’s just that they shoved, excuse me for the word, western electronics and hung additional armor and a little they tightened up the engine, that's all 190 well, they say that there seems to be a dynamic

defense of a tri-corner communication well, as our research shows there, we will also test a certain weapon technique there well, he breaks through there with a grenade launcher and or a recoilless gun in fact, the first fact of the destruction of the t-90m was recorded, it was the fighters of the kharkiv teroborona, they destroyed from unaccounted for communities, and karl gustov was also given to us by our swedish partners , that is, it would seem that there well, he is declared, what is there ? well, he is so cool, cool, but he cannot withstand an ordinary shot, of course, grammar and this is precisely why we are researching such a technique in our center because the russians declare certain parameters and we check in reality is it true or not because why do we check it in order to be effective fight with this technique. as a rule, in a large percentage of cases, the declared parameters do not correspond to reality, even the russians use them to talk about how many millions. unique tanks were used , which cannot be compared with weapons and elite tanks, well, you understand

, you can compare everything or if a certain comparison index coincided, it is obvious that it is compared in a certain way because russia declares it to be its main battle tank . two sixths there are two at 7 depending on the modification or there is one more jerome the second or the abrams the second is carried it is important that is if you compare it well it really loses to many tanks and it does not have and you still understand that you are important in armored technology modernization potential that is in this tank they ran out of it, what to do with it next. look at leopark, how many are there , two and one, two and two, and so on until two and eight , now they talk about two-9 , they are joking with us, they have already appeared in the park, because it is e complexes of dynamic protection this is not typical of western equipment, as a rule, it is a rather rare phenomenon, that is, it is already our modernization, as they joke that in this tank its modernization potential has been exhausted, as in principle in the majority

of russian armored vehicles, if we get rid of it, russia is now under sanctions. to import, well, officially, at least we understand. they are bypassing sanctions, but another question is that without the supply of foreign components, russia is able to produce them now , how many of them are there, and how much they are critical for this, see the center, we do not have this information because we do not know the production facilities there, we are really investigating certain technological links, but we assume a connection with the sanctions policy and due to the fact that even these tanks , even we noticed that they are they trying to hide those russians? well, by the way, there was also a nuance that they started to hide after our briefing on this tank. we told the whole world what it was. they carry it, you know, it doesn’t get sick if it’s our service, well, it’s that, today, it’s normal. well, it’s normal, but to position from

the fact that well, because i’m afraid, that’s another matter. it is indeed assumed that there is a connection with the sanctions policy, and we should investigate later on the samples of capture , and we will be able to give a clear answer as to whether there has been a degradation, that is, in general, we have taken as they say, the general case is that i am telling you that this is essentially a so-called deep modernization of the t-72b tank, but it does not prove itself, so let's go from the reverse process if it would be such a cool tank if why did it not become the main direct combat and why didn’t it start to be mass-produced, there really are more than 100 units of this modification, and so on, why if it outright surpasses everything there, on the contrary , they should be mass-produced, and so on, russia is now in fact forced, i’m sorry,

to deconserve tanks t- 54 and 55 it is obvious that this is due to the colossal losses inflicted on them by the armed forces of ukraine, but as a rule, if it is such a cool tank , why don't you have one, why are you trying to take it away , yevgeny, let's move on to missiles from tanks , because there, too, you need to research and talk about them do not stop releasing their weaving deaths on our heads and they also continue to modernize the production of new ones, as far as we know, you gave us photos of the first rocket and analyzed it and the new training, the old one and i want to see and consider it now it will appear on the screen where we shot down the one that we will now see the first missile and what is inside of this you can say start now it will appear ears 101 it is let's say it is a purely russian development this is called a bloody aviation missile uh what is it was also developed by the russian design bureau of the rainbow from

1995 to 2013, and accordingly, after this period of time, it was adopted by the russian armament, here is actually part of this missile, it is also our servicemen during the direct trip to the place of the downed missiles, this happened on the territory of the kyiv region last year - it is november, this is exactly the first fact that the x-101 missiles were modernized, we recorded exactly that, the modernization consisted of this photo - this is the bottom of the rocket, the bottom part, exactly er, here is the optics depicted, the electronic system that is a component of the inertial guidance system of the missile, precisely this optical head, they essentially read the coordinates of the terrain there, and thus the missile, and already in this part of the component of its on-board computer, e-e compares the information with those coordinates that were entered there into the on-board computer and accordingly adjusts er-e its district accordingly here is the old eyepiece it was one here exactly here the whole optics electronic system