[000:00:00;00] 13,000,634 hryvnias and again 86 kopecks became like this, 86 kopecks haunts us, but the result for today, for the morning, is not bad with andrii seychuk, we will return to the studio at 2:00 p.m. , we will continue our marathon verdict program by serhiy rudenko glory to ukraine is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health russia agreed to extend the grain agreement the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdoğan announced this now as erdoğan says he is waiting for putin in

to turkey to continue the dialogue, dmitry pyskov, putin's press secretary, said that russia did not make any statements about the continuation of the black sea grain initiative, i would like to remind you that a week ago, erdogan released the commanders of the azov regiment to ukraine, and russia called it a blow in the back, whether it will agree to this grain agreement for an extension grain agreement putin is not yet known, but it looks like that , meanwhile, the president of the south african republic, serial ramaphosa, said that in august , putin will visit the brics in person earlier it was about the brics itself being held online due to the fact that putin received a warrant from the international criminal court and the republic of south africa joined the rome statute and this is how the republic of south africa should and should extradite putin to the international criminal court

but it is not yet known whether putin will fly to the south african republic or not. well , it would be good if he flew and if he were arrested there , we will talk about all this and the results ourselves, nato itself in the next i will traditionally start the hour with information about the losses of the occupiers in ukraine since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 236,000,590 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 550 occupiers since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 497 tanks, 8,008 armored fighting vehicles, 400 449 artillery systems 680 multiple-launch rocket systems 423 air defense equipment 315 aircraft 310 helicopters 719 units of motor vehicles 18 ships and boats 1273 cruise

missiles 3783 drones 662 units of special technicians, friends for those who are currently watching us on youtube , please take part in our vote. today we are asking you about who will stop putin, options for answers nato, the armed forces of the soviet union, beauties and no one, well , you can leave your own comments under this video. and don't forget, please like this video in order for it to be trending on youtube. i want to introduce today's guest - he is a diplomat , ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 valery chaly, dear valery, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our company. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. why

let's start this ourselves, because this is a big and thorough topic. we specially invited you at the end of the week to talk about everything that was there, what was not there , and what can be. to be already on the washington site which will take place in april 2024. why did vilnius themselves, despite your expectations , not become historic? why did nato not invite ukraine to join the alliance ? of course, i was waiting for such a question. would start with the fact that it itself became very successful, super successful for nato , for nato countries, first of all, they demonstrated unity and completely rejected the blackmail of putin medvedev by the russians, which used to be, now they have covered

everyone's desires with a garbage can, and medvedev is forced to say that they did not even fight in order not to expand too much, you see, they just understood that because they are fighting in ukraine, there is no green light at this summit to join nato, finland has already been registered as the 31st member of nato, from new countries such as countries in the pacific ocean region, the discussion behind the storm there is also unprecedented. japan and south korea and australia and new zealand came from there. that is, this is the rapprochement of these countries, the joint discussion of threats to the strengthening of nato itself , the eastern flank. unfortunately, we are not members, so the eastern flank is on our borders are still taking place, and very serious commitments have been made there , the first plan made is to counter the russian attack on the russian direct line, that is

, who is doing what, what actions, this is only what has been announced publicly, not publicly. i think it is possible to understand joseph biden's statement of other participants in russia, it is clearly indicated what will happen if it tries to brandish nuclear weapons. therefore, in my opinion, after this, this is where these threats in the direction of use have sharply decreased. i am not talking about man-made disasters there - russia uses it, but in relation to nuclear weapons , i i believe that it has decreased very seriously, you will see it in the reaction of the russians, but for ukraine , yes, he did not become successful from the point of view of the invitation.

maybe those who were spread in ukraine may be disappointed, i will say do not be disappointed at this summit, the stars definitely could not have aligned in such a way that there would be an invitation to ukraine, that is, it is another matter that we are now, uh , maybe we are more sober about the situation and understand that our window of opportunity is not the same it is important that we need to concentrate our efforts next year until the very end of the year. it is possible for washington to act with certain corrections. i would say that we need to work with the societies of these countries . the task, by the way, is something that we still may not have understood, but it is clear that louis is still the minister of defense, and joseph biden is in the united states. but in other countries, they also said that there are specific requirements for reform. they remain a prerequisite for future decisions, that is, for today yes, interim

the stage was not historical in terms of the acceptance of ukraine itself, but the door, well, let's say it like this, is the door closed now? this discussion has moved to another plane. ruba, will we all make it in the next year, there is the nearest period for the situation when this decision is absolutely correct will become a reality , i would say so, that is, now the situation is completely different, on the one hand , it is closer than today. that this path will not be so simple, but it is quite obvious to valery that russia was not the main problem during the entire period of our relations with the north atlantic alliance. well

, because it is clear that nato was joined by countries from the lowest level of corruption than ours with no less unreformed sectors of the economy, such as albania, for example. and it is absolutely obvious that the main main obstacle for us in joining nato was and remains russia, or is that the case? i don't agree. when we declare that some countries joined more corrupt with less development, you should be careful because if these countries put numbers on the table, what they had a year or two before joining and what sport

and how many changes they made right in front of nato. i know the situation in albania. i know the situation in montenegro . the amount of homework they did was huge , so let's not talk about different countries. each one joined at its own stage. you can agree that some of the nato countries are now slightly moved away from the level of democracy when they entered, that's all true, but we don't need to compare with other countries now, with which i completely agree with you. that the key problem is still not only reforms , yes, this is russia, and it was obvious that there was a fear that joining nato will trigger a russian war against nato against ukraine, but when it already happened on the part of russia, then the situation turned completely, i.e. now it is logical that nato must respond strongly and, uh , take a step in advance, that is, to say

everything, your blackmail did not work. that's how they they haven't done it to the end yet. and i think that well, they have their own logic, their own strategy, well, i think that it would be possible to do it right now. maybe they are delaying it a little, it will drag on in time, but i have no doubts that they are considering ukraine is already in its own group of countries, providing security in europe, so you know, it is possible, it is possible. there are still some fears , but honestly, for me personally, they are strange because everything that russia has already raised the stakes and everything that it has applied, it has already done . unless it is possible that there is still a serious concern about the use of man-made objects that have been mined

, such as the zaporizhzhia station, i do not rule out that all these threats of detonation, detonation, detonation, they may have played some role, but this is only perhaps a bold decision has been postponed in time, so let's start from what we have today and uh, of course, once again the successes on the front of the armed forces of ukraine play a key role, again our defense force, the armed forces of ukraine play a key role for geopolitical decisions not only of ukraine, but of everything the world, but at the same time, we must join forces, as i have already said, in order to remove all fears, carry out information work accordingly, russia often blocks russia - it is not a strong nato state. on such supports and, er, economically, even russia, now you talked about the brics, and even this brics, look at russia, it

does not reach anything at all, so it is clear that, er, we have to hit what is called one point and we have to work united for membership in nato as the only possible guarantee of security in ukraine or for ukraine , in which it is currently impossible to return nuclear weapons. i am not in favor of this discussion, i am still in favor of no alternation in nato with nuclear states and no substitutes that's what we call the so-called security guarantees there, none of this has become an alternative, only membership in nato we have every chance. no, we are not. the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, spoke in finland and stated that he does not think that the war can last for years for several reasons, why let's let's start, i don't think that the war can last for years for two

reasons, i don't think that russia can sustain the war forever, firstly, from the point of view of its resources and capabilities, secondly, i think that there will come a time when president putin will decide that the continuation of this war is not in russia's economic, political or other interests, but i cannot predict exactly when that will happen, i hope and i expect that you will see that ukraine will make significant progress in their offensive and that this will lead to a negotiated settlement somewhere along the way that is, mr. valery, russia and nato continue to use the strategy of a thousand cuts when little by little the russian federation is wasting its resources and losing the opportunities it had back in 2022, as in

this situation for the west and for nato is developing and we can see those events and , for example, with a coup d'état as in the version with an adapted e, does this force nato to slow down a little in its e-e assistance or in its support for ukraine in order for the ukrainian ukrainian-russian war or the russian-ukrainian war, so that it does not collapse russia itself internally. i do not think that this is why they are specifically artificially slowing down aid, which is now confirmed because one and a half billion during the vilnius summit germany 700 million britain france that is, this patriot launchers are also additional infantry vehicles, this is also a lot of new tanks. well, not new, but additional scout missiles. that is, this is not evidence that

another matter is slowing down now. well, let's say. we talked about it for a long time and i insisted on it , what happened it would be very correct to make such a risky step forward for someone, but a bold one, right now, right now, right under this company , the ukrainian armed forces, atakms missiles, and everything that is needed is already now for this company, because, well, where else are they pulling out? it is possible to constantly regulate escalation, it worked before, but now it would be necessary to take such a preemptive step, take a little step into putin's field so as not to allow him to be one step ahead all the time, and in principle, now they have somehow evened out at this stage, they are no longer lagging behind, but not yet

are ahead, that is, well, this is not exactly our strategy, so we will say that, unfortunately, they are such that if there are no doubts , there are no doubts about the ukrainian victory, but they have doubts about what to do with russia . unfortunately, this remains unknown where did the fear come from that russia will fall apart and this is already the collapse of everything in the world, that is, in this sense, they also consider this attempted mutiny, that is, as a very serious indicator of the regime's weakness, and that 's how prigozhin's prices got there, the mercenaries reached all the way to voronezh 45 - this is a tactical storehouse of nuclear warheads that is, i don't know, now they started to fear a weak russia. what will happen if these nuclear tactical weapons spread to all uh, different points, and in this regard, uh, i think that their approach, well,

they seem to have understood it, but it's wrong because exactly now it would be possible to take a step forward, so far this regime has not collapsed completely, that is, because even then it is not easy to set conditions for it, uh, it's not just russia. about their continued stay. but it is so. this is our ukrainian emotion. although it is fair, but regarding the fact that if we wait even longer , will all these regulations be justified by timing or time if russia is now finding ways to circumvent the sanctions financially? well, after all, also prepares more they teach train don't forget your own people on the battlefield, we can say anything there, but they also train, so they get exhausted, but they train, that's why

they are setting up production so that there are not 100 missiles a month, they are seriously pestering us , so, of course, putin has nowhere to go he has already chosen a one-way ticket and this one is there, this clique-clique is all around, but those who see it are how to stay in russia, they are counting on some kind of contract, then negotiate some kind of agreement between the united states and other countries, and i think that that's it a wrong salute decision that this war will end with some kind of agreement. i am sure that it will all fail, as, say, the intentions on the maidan failed in 2014 to find some kind of compromise with the completely bankrupt government at that time with the pro-russian president who ran and i know for sure that then all these countries too they said that a compromise must be found , a solution must somehow be found, face must be saved there, so that there is no escalation, russian interests must be taken into account

, and in the end, the ukrainian people came forward and simply with their decisions, it destroyed everything all the schemes have been destroyed, so if someone thinks that this is to come up with some schemes like these behind the scenes, some groups of experts, but we don't know these people exactly their position, if they think again, they are pumping their history, russia is eternal , russia is strong, you will not go anywhere, this is a bluff and this i think a very dangerous position can be the end of the war, where the occupation without any negotiations, we need de-occupation, the payment of compensation, we need all our prisoners released, and we need such decisions, and it will be , uh, it's a surrender written there on the crossbar is not so important to me anymore, nato is important to me, then, such decisions must be

made , so in conclusion, i will say that, unfortunately, there are still some moments of hesitation. even a few months ago, we will win , all of our partners clearly understood that against this background , putin is talking about the fact that ukraine's membership in nato creates and previously created threats to the security of russia, that is, from the rhetoric he conducted before putin that we are returning our historical lands to the rhetoric we are fighting for our security for the security of russia it turned out not so much not such a big step at the same time the leaders are talking about ukraine joining nato after the end of the war or not this rhetoric is what putin has

and the words spoken by the leaders of nato are such an incentive, well, an incentive in quotes for putin to endlessly wage this war, this can be so if there is not a clear statement, and it was made by the president of ukraine, by the way, that there is no bargaining for territories for membership therefore, we will not have, if the entire government, the president adheres to this position, firstly, no bargaining, secondly, members, and no manivtsi walking, because now there is a danger that we will start dealing with these so-called guarantees, which in fact are not guarantees, and as a result, we will lose resources in order to to provide a security umbrella, that is, and the third is very important to understand that it is not always er, well, if the statements of today, even some who are there

, well, they are honestly afraid, maybe someone else is there in the nato countries. only countries. by the way, this time the solidarity was common and essential. i will say that turkey pleasantly surprised me and france, that is , there is another country that is a little strange, but it was silent and did not show itself at this summit , so all this proves that what are all putin's threats, he can stick a cannon into the tsar there that has never fired, or let him try nato, as they claim, we are a noble, well, try to fight a noble war, that is, that's all, that's all, the train has already left, they have already made a fatal they made a mistake have already started and now it's just a logical question. if ukraine is already hitting all

of them head-on with a large army, that is, if in such conditions without too many countries, only with the help of weapons, if it is already hitting russia, then what does this mean? they are simply afraid that if ukraine joins nato then that's all, then they can't threaten at all, you know how the gopnik is afraid of losing the opportunity to threaten the victim, it's a collapse for him, then he becomes a victim himself, that's what actually happens , they begin to understand their collapse, and then they throw possible arguments like this someone there is acting on some group there, but it is not the mainstream of the mainstream, after all, put this putin's multiwatt to show uh big hello let's say this, the american general says that , in his opinion, the main obstacle to ukraine's invitation to nato

was the fact that the united states of america and germany gave the back here is a quote why , in his opinion, the united states of america gave the back. i think there are two main reasons . president biden made it clear that for him the number one priority is to prevent any manifestations of nuclear escalation, of course none of us wants a nuclear escalation, but as we can see, russia uses threats as a method of blackmail, and the second reason is that the biden administration is worried about the fact that it does not know what to do if russia collapses, if ukraine achieves catastrophic success and ousts russia, well , that is, the general wants to talk about the fact that all- after all, there are fears of ungovernability or that russia will already be in some kind of corkscrew from which it simply cannot get out of

which it is meant that with putin you allow mr. valery that putin can still be the subject of negotiations that he can somehow conduct negotiations that they can shake his hand and that apart from erdoğan and sisinpin, who else is shaking his hand ? lukashenka, what in the world are there people who will go ? on the other hand, an arrest warrant has been issued, in essence, and it is international, so the vienna convention , which protects three persons, is the president, the prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs , as if here, well, from the direction of nadia, although everything is still being carried out in some respects, so far this international measure has not been applied.

justice eh if he is now a sign from the territory of ukraine let's be honest i think he would still have a chance eh mm well to stay there and even have his hand squeezed out but for us ukrainians of course it looks strange, well, this is the world if further, he will delay, he will simply bring this negotiation to fruition , and who will this person be, or international structures that are more complicated or internal russian ones? history will show us. that is why it is more important for us now that russia is isolated and everyone. such a handshake in of these conditions with putin, this is a step towards putin, that's why i, for example, africa, what you mentioned, i will say first they go and tell about some peaceful plans and then they can't

think of a way not to arrest him in south africa, well, what is this? i think that he will definitely not go there, but most likely, but just such interesting metamorphoses, that is, i absolutely do not like ukrainians. well, but we have to accept the fact that we are sure that with such a regime, which is now criminal russian war criminals, at least our the leadership has no right to sit at the same table, no right, and this, by the way, is fixed now by the decision of the national security council of choice in such a situation . if putin does not fly to pretoria and does not participate in the brics summit, that is what he announced to the whole world

and he says that we are ready to fly there, there are no problems at all for us, uh, he is just empathizing, i understand, in front of the world community, he says that he wants to get angry at the international criminal court, then medvedev said that there should be a gas attack there buildings of this international criminal court and put an end to this story with the warrant for the arrest of putin, in principle, the same warrant, yes, and the rest is indefinite, that is , the judges of the international criminal court will obviously not back down and will not talk about what well, we made a mistake there, because there is evidence that putin did not take ukrainian children to russia, or that he took these children away because there was danger. as putin himself has already said publicly, according to you, he has already crossed that border, when the whole the world

understands that putin will go to the very end putin sees no other way out now than to simply go on the battering ram and blackmail with nuclear weapons. there are also some coups inside the state with other tricks of his own . what does putin want in this situation? well, he crossed this line . i said he took a one-way ticket, but this same end for it can come much faster than we think, this type of people uh, that is, it is clear that he is trying to incite to raise the rates, but these people are life and at one moment they can simply break down sharply, this is the type of character, we have seen such people. well in principle, there is nothing surprising about it if