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guests today are matthew bryza and andriy piankovsky , our first guest is an ex-advisor secretary of state of the united states former director of european and eurasian affairs in the case of us national security matthew bryce greetings dear mr. ambassadors in the studio of the espressov tv channel, the key story is this the consequences of the great summit in vilnius would like to ask you why president joseph biden still did not dare to push the so-called very clear pro-ukrainian order denis, in particular, it is about the direct membership of ukraine in nato, please decipher this extremely important strategic discussion, its strategic consequences, in particular, not only for of ukraine, but for the security of the entire central and certainly not only central europe, the strategic consequences are large and positive both for ukraine and for nato at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine in

in february 2022, one could only dream of such a result, remember how friends and future allies of ukraine hesitated to provide any significant military assistance today we have a promise j7 to continue providing significant military assistance and a clear commitment of the united alliance to support ukraine as long as it will not defeat russia, but considering this and the fact that i was present at the bucharest summit in april 2008, i was disappointed by the position of president biden and olaf scholz , whose predecessor angela merkel blocked membership action plan for ukraine and georgia in bucharest, there are now reports that the usa and germany did not agree to work with other allies on wording that would emphasize that ukraine will receive an invitation as soon as the war is over, this is a strategic mistake and, unfortunately, experience the bukharev summit did not help us

to avoid it, we understand that putin started a local war for a reason putin started an almost existential war on which the existence of ukraine will depend and they will depend on it the borders of the western world in the east and so on and so on. well, in your opinion, how hard is president joseph biden willing to play ? yes, we understand that for ukraine there is only one membership, that is first of all that this is the fifth article , at the moment we are receiving analogues, in particular it says about security guarantees but security guarantees are not the same as the fifth article above all uncertainty is always decisive in cases where security guarantees that do not comply with the fifth article are difficult to predict and will never tell us when

the usa will resort to force in the case of ukraine, because it is already in a state of severe war, both are strategic, but they are restraining themselves because of the fear that putin will provoke the third world war or that he can declare that russia is at war with nato, but putin is already doing it . he is threatening with nuclear weapons and we feel his bluff, he once again tells everyone that russia is not at war with ukraine, but with the entire alliance, so i really do not know what president biden is afraid of, he simply has a certain emotional fear of his involvement in the nuclear in the conflict, national security adviser jake sullivan encourages president biden to move in the right direction, but at this point. so far, the military support that the united states has provided to ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the united states , together with great britain, led the alliance . the problem is that such self-restraint or fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia has led to to the point that a significant part of this essential aid arrived in ukraine too

late, if all this had been provided to ukraine from the very beginning, ukraine would be in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today and therefore pressuring ukraine to start its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine . in a timely manner emphasizes in a timely manner most people would be killed, we understand that it would be as big as a soda, there would be a coffee debacle, a lot of people would be shot, someone would be demonstrably executed or hanged, but we received help and at the same time we are also aware that this help may not be enough, at the same time we understand that in order to strategically decide the course of the company, we need aviation, the same f-16s, in order to

destroy enemy logistics centers we need etakems systems, we have a commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , general zaluzhny speaks very clearly about this , in particular in those interviews that appeared in the west , we understand that the pentagon and the white house understand what general zaluzhny spoke about as i have already mentioned that it is really unwise and imprudent for us in the us and in nato to put pressure on ukraine or make certain judgments about the speed of its counteroffensive in order to be able to justify further military support , especially when we are not ready to provide f-16 fighters to provide the air shield that is so necessary for successful offensive or counteroffensive so, when it comes to military planning, we take steps that are not entirely rational in relation to attacks. of course, they are extremely necessary to increase the range

of artillery fire. we remember how before the us provided heimers, russian artillery simply blew up ukrainian cities and how after the first days of their work, russia was forced to stop its harsh tactics of war crimes, therefore, we cannot do without atakams if we want to be able to hit russian high-target targets that threaten ukraine, answering your question why you haven't delivered them yet, again, i think it's about self-inflicted gunfire , the biden administration is afraid that if they provide f16, russia will declare that it is at war with nato and will dare to escalate because russia has not done anything when crossing the west and its red lines regarding military support to ukraine in relation to the attacks stop fears are that a longer range may allow ukraine to hit targets on the territory of russia that could potentially lead to an expansion of the geography of the war, this is an argument is false because, firstly, ukraine promised not

to do this, and secondly, because ukraine is already striking the territory that russia illegally considers to be russian, at least four temporarily annexed regions or crimea, that's why the arguments that the biden administration uses to convince itself why it is not necessary to increase military aid are counterproductive and simply do not make any sense. returning to the previous question, i understand why nato is not ready to invite ukraine to join the alliance as soon as the war ends, because it can to give putin an excuse to continue the war as long as possible, but he already decided to do it anyway, so this ar is also just a diversionary maneuver, we should have given ukraine more clarity about when she will be invited to nato and we definitely should have provided f16 and attacks long before ukraine started its counteroffensive biden's courage is enough biden understands putin's calculations well, despises

him calls him a war criminal, after all , which he is biden led the alliance that crossed every red line putin , in particular, when putin everywhere threatened nuclear weapons and the opinion of biden. in general, he is quite brave . however, he allows russia to restrain itself because it is trying to maintain the integrity of nato. he knows that germany does not really want to enter. as far as he would like, while poland or the baltic countries are ready to go much further in accelerating ukraine's accession to nato and providing them with the necessary weapons. he knows that putin plans to buy as much time as possible in the hope that nato will crack, so biden is trying to secure the alliance even if his dear matthew, i know that you know how the russians work, in particular, it is about certain negotiating points. and actually, i

would like to ask you now about a certain dynamics, in particular, it is about what putin was dealing with at the beginning of the war, what proposals he had and what he has now , how much putin's appetites have changed or fallen, on the other hand, we understand that in ukraine, we have a very clear and transparent position, we demand the return of our lands, we demand compensation for our losses putin 's goals have changed from his truly insane desire to capture kyiv in just a few days and essentially destroy the ukrainian nation to simply holding on and preventing the destruction of his military on the battlefield until the united states and its nato allies, as well as other friends around the world, will not tire of helping ukraine. putin's goals are now only criminal, as you can imagine, it is no longer a genocidal desire to destroy the ukrainian nation, now they

are aimed at his personal survival. destroyed the morale of the russian military imagine that you are a russian soldier on the front line in this brutal war, you are torn to pieces by the ukrainians and their western friends who supply powerful weapons and here you see how to say in bakhmut, a group of your former comrades does the most extreme thing that you as a soldier could in principle imagine , it is about treason, about an attempt to overthrow the government, but putin turns a blind eye to it, are they now allowed to roam freely, or can something even more deeply undermine the morale of the russian armed forces in the surrounding area putin has many people who clearly want him to leave, and that is why i think that now his goal is simply to survive. what we clearly do not appreciate enough in the country's struggle against russia is how much it has done for us in

on the military front, timotiyesh, a brilliant financial and strategic analyst, made a comment a few days ago during a meeting i attended. he said that the united states invested $50 billion in military support for ukraine, but ukrainian soldiers destroyed much more russian equipment and worsened the military potential of russia. several times more than the 50 billion dollars that the united states provided to ukraine. so, based on the socio-economic point of view, the investments of the united states in the ukrainian army were deeply in the interests of the united states and in it is in our interests, of course, that ukraine not only survives but also wins this war, since it became a member of nato, we understand that we are in a state of war, in fact , a beastly war, extremely difficult, and the west is somehow trying not to get involved in the second one, because we also see certain trends, there is a feeling that russia is in strategic plan can no longer offer anything in order to achieve

this or that victory. it can only prolong the war, and here history is felt. how long can they prolong the war? because putin pretends to be ready to wage an almost century-long war against ukraine against the west and so on, of course the question of resources well, we understand that russian resources and ukrainian resources are one thing, but the resources of, for example, the euro-atlantic community and putin's resources are not comparable things. the war he is ready to fight until someone stops him from a strategic point of view he has definitely suffered the biggest defeat in the history of russia since the collapse of the soviet union he has twice as long with nato than before the war today, ukraine is determined more than ever to join nato and to be a successful

post-soviet neighboring state , which is an alternative to putin's criminal kleptocratic regime, and this is putin's biggest fear . a successful, democratic, prosperous ukraine, which will eventually become a member of nato, he cannot stop this process, so he will keep fighting as long as possible hoping that ukraine will get tired that all of us the united states our allies in the west will get tired and stop supporting ukraine but this will never happen russian economy revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons in the first quarter of this year were 47% lower than last year, the budget deficit is growing, the ruble has fallen sharply in price, and there is also an attempt at a coup d'état. putin , to put it mildly, is scared, he is doing something he has never done before, for example to the russian people that he loves him. that's why he goes to derbento and hugs people there, and this is when

even his closest advisers have to be quarantined for two weeks before meeting him because he's so paranoid perfectly afraid of getting sick putin is scared and will continue to fight as long as he can but he doesn't have long left in large part thanks to the amazing bravery and victory of ukrainian soldiers and the help of friends and future nato allies we should not flinch at his next mention of nuclear weapons he likes to say that if his cornered then he surrendered to everything he was cornered during prigozhin's uprising and what did he do? he got scared and let prigozhin go and apparently showed mercy to his soldiers, i.e. when he was cornered he i just thought that putin's red lines are worthless. dear ambassadors, i would like to ask you about the best security guarantee scenario for ukraine. well, i would not like the history of the so-called

budapest memorandum to repeat itself from a rational point of view. as you said about the budapest memorandum, none of these promises it matters if nato and other friends of ukraine do not demonstrate a real readiness to provide ukraine with any military support it needs in order to prevent the victory of russia at the moment we see an unprecedented aid in the form of military weapons, in the future everything will be different, a whole network of ties in the field of political security will be connected with ukraine, and the most important thing will be membership in nato, which at the same time will mean that an attack on ukraine will be an attack on the entire alliance , and so far we have not achieved the main thing is that nato and the united states and their friends such as japan and south korea convincingly assured that if everything continues as it is now , then a whole coalition of willing countries that will not

just watch from the sidelines were talking about the fact that some nato members can provide military assistance on the ground, it is reported that when putin threatened to use nuclear weapons, bill benz, the head of the cia, went to moscow and said that if you do this, the united states will intervene militarily and eventually destroy your army . in my opinion , it is a security guarantee for ukraine that if putin uses tactical nuclear weapons, the united states will destroy the russian army, this is a real security guarantee that putin did not neglect and it is much more important than any words in nato communiques or any memorandum . in ukraine, we can trust our american friends for kusullivan and william burns . you know those people . i would ask you to describe them. benz he is one of the most creative humble reliable diplomats officials and people

ever met he can be trusted 100% just like jake sullivan jake is clear in his statements when everyone outside the white house is trying to catch him asking do you want ukraine to win, he answers very carefully and consistently: we want to strengthen ukraine so that it does not suffer a defeat, strengthen it so much that it is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he is honest, you can trust him, but at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined the threats of russia and putin, and it seems sad that he has not learned the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean the ukraine of the baltic countries and poland, he has not delved into the history of what professor snyder calls bloody lands, without such an understanding, one cannot learn the most important lesson, which is that the language understood by the soviet or russian leader is the language of fear, if they can instill fear in us, they

will continue to press, if we can instill fear in them, they will stop, this is a lesson that in my opinion jake has not yet mastered the opinion of white benz , who was my supervisor in moscow, i think he understands all this very well. colonel house 100 years ago, we understand that these are people who are close to the presidents, these people who influence the formation of foreign policy have absolutely 99% of the trust of their president. an initiative by secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon, you need to understand how the foreign policy of the united states works at this level, i actually

spent four years on the staff of the national council security under president bush and my daily duties included assisting the then national security advisor condoleezza rice so the job of the national security advisor is primarily to advise and direct the thoughts of the president because the secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion the secretary of defense may have another cia director benz yet another, and the minister of finance, ellen, in the end , all these points of view must be coordinated and reconciled with the point of view of the only person who makes the decision, which is president biden. so jake sally's job is to coordinate all the meetings, to discuss the point of view, to present them to the president of biden, to explain them, to advise him, because he is the national security adviser, and therefore to wait for the decision that the president will make, which is what is happening, and i think that it is president biden who is driven by ambiguity with the fear of provoking putin to the third world war . he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which

in my opinion is a manifestation of self-restraint. biden is also afraid of giving putin another reason to blame nato for the fact that it is the alliance that is his opponent in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is very afraid that he will not be able to maintain the unity of nato regarding the ukrainian issue, he well understands that nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive help for ukraine only thanks to their solidarity it is she who weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war has failed, instead he got an enlarged, stronger nato and a more united ukraine, which is on the way to membership he did not see such a thing in his worst dream. therefore, baiden realizes that in order to achieve the goals i have listed, he must support the unity of nato, and if he insists on hopes that other nato members consider too provocative, he risks

leading to the disintegration of nato, which is unacceptable for ukraine. thank you very much dear sir embassy once this extraordinary frank and interesting conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that now on the air of the espresso tv channel , matthew bryza, an assistant to the secretary of state of the united states, a former director, worked for them in fact, europe and eurasia in the us national security council thank you glory to ukraine pain can become an obstacle not with my knees from knee pain try dolgit cream dolgit cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility, you can also walk dolgit is the only yellow cream for joint pain and judgments muscle tablets dolgit antisums for muscle relaxation and calves there are discounts on

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to endure them and wait for the washington summit, and on the other hand, we understand that under at a time when the main attention of the world was focused both on the fronts of the russian-ukrainian war and on the very same freedom summit in the euro-atlantic community, they adopted an extremely important security protocol and actions in case of something, i.e. visa entry, a second nato center will be opened in addition to what was already measured and the main story is that the commander of the nato contingent on the european continent will be able to react quickly in case of russian provocation, not large kurultaev and meetings well, but you the word vilnius is accepted, this is a verified reflection that was felt on the first day and in the entire ukrainian audience, this is not very tactful, and the demands of the west and the first americans

to explain their unwillingness to accept ukraine there are no real reasons in nato, which we all understand, they are ready to understand ukraine in nato today, this means an article, again, it means americans, germans must. i want ukraine . soldiers are fighting and dying next to the ukrainian. they can compensate for this lack of readiness , well, it is necessary for me to deliver them for the victory. well, even biden , his assholes, asked to explain it to some other lack of readiness. ukraine needs to take some steps to reform the political sphere in the economic sphere. it sounded simply insulting to ukrainians. what is wrong with ukraine for the ideal west , the democracy of the people, they paid for it with the blood of tens

of thousands of their soldiers, and when it is a cheap task , the security of the west. well, here is the lordship of lebanon , which did everything to slow down american help. the duration of the year will embrace ukraine. well, we could expect some kind of level of gratitude . you invasion from the east putin elected requests collect coins, put away the phone and he was sure that after the seven-day victorious march through ukraine, the situation is nuclear in its scope, grapes, ball, poland, and they will repeat that for this, we must express gratitude , we will not carry this account of gratitude , we will bring it to an early positive now here are the decisions to ensure the security of ukraine for the nearest period and after the victory. over time , everything became clear. ukraine will be accepted into nato

after the victory, but it is necessary to do everything that is победа прочить показываем недвижимость военную подогте что это за этого будем соходит сотрудничестве ukraine has launched an action plan, not a teacher , a so-called action plan regarding membership. the reference will be the victory of ukraine on paper, realized by the display of those or those types of weapons , we see very positive results, well , firstly, cassette negotiations, secondly, but i assure you, i am here, washington i left a question about this, all of a sudden, i will not be transferred, does it change correctly or very seriously, when will they transfer us the etichems