[000:00:00;00] all of peremohy dreams of getting an officer's rank and becoming a commander. i want to go back before the summer because i'm sure that i won't be that kind of politician there and the boys will listen to me because i think that it's normal to be a human commander, you have to be a person and help the boys, not just i want to somehow change this army a little and become a tampolit and show my example further khrystyna parubiy tv channel espresso good day, dear friends andriy zaychuk and lesya vakluk, we are returning to this studio on the espresso tv channel and this means that we are continuing our marathon, this is its second part today, for two and a half hours we will talk about the topics that concern you and about the informational reasons that appeared today and those that

were most discussed during the week well, actually, of course, let's start with what just came out today about the fact that the belarusian district says that a large column of wagnerites has arrived in belarus, how to interpret it and what to prepare for , we will talk about it with oleksandr olesyan an independent military observer, a leading belarusian expert on defense and the military-industrial complex, we will add him to our broadcast, oleksandr , congratulations, good day, ah, actually, how should we take this news, should we tense up or not worry? nice people from whom they would be pleased that they found themselves, do they pose a threat to ukraine in your opinion, or can they form

some kind of offensive attack, i will tell you my point of view based on the policy in which aleksandr lukashenko conducts everything the fact is that of all the politicians in the soviet space , probably lukashenko least of all wants to enter into an armed conflict with ukraine, he got everything he dreamed of during the long years of coming to power, he got the russian market, which is completely open to him, now the region of the russian federation all removed suffixes belarusian goods recognized as russian received colossal investments in the development of the belarusian industry, and so much money that he still thinks how therefore, he will not refuse from this golden rain and therefore, i think that based on the general direction of the policy of alexander

lukashenko, the vector group will not be applied from the territory of belarus against ukraine. the border of ukraine and belarus. in addition, the area there is very unfavorable for the advancing er-e personality of the obolochestve area, and in general, these ordinary soldiers of the wagnerians may be very qualified, but they are not gods and if the air is polite, then only on russian and belarusian helicopters, which can easily be cut off by the actions of the ukrainian beer. therefore , i think that from the point of view of both political and military aggression in the near future , there is no need for a group from the territory of belarus against ukraine. now let's just watch this video i don't know the video report, probably by a belarusian journalist, she is really trying to repeat such

a russian accent, but the representatives in these helmets don't know. probably from the time of the second world war world or what kind of helmets are these, well, clearly not modern. these are the belarusian anti-terrorist forces. but they are so well equipped and well-dressed - they are representatives of the wagner terrorist organization, what do they teach them, what do they prepare for, and how many of them want to be in the anti-terrorist forces in belarus? are they volunteers? it is so voluntary and forced. well, i think that there are some agreements between the wagner lukashenko group. lukashenko has already stated that they will not just stay on the territory of belarus, they will perform some functions, and among the first he called that means i work as instructors for belarusian units. do you accept that the wagnerites as individuals can sign some agreements with the ministry of defense of belarus

about working as instructors, but i don’t think that there were very many such people. they will all work as instructors. well, i think a few hundred to 300 people can work as instructors, this will cover all the needs of the belarusian army. well , what will the rest of the rest do? i believe that anyway belarus for the feet of a window to africa, i will not be you. they will fulfill those tasks not only in africa, well, on the neighbor that lukashenko eh. there is economic expansion there, but all these regions are very undeveloped, and any belarusian project, any belarusian

investment, is subject to serious cuts, both in africa and in the middle east. it is possible that wagner will be used in belarus, just as the wagners use the chinese the chinese use their projects in africa to protect their citizens, recently there was a report that the wagnerians saved a group of chinese specialists in africa and ensured a safe evacuation, so i believe that the main purpose of the wagnerians of belarus will be the provision of some belarusian external economic and foreign political projects before these the missions were carried out by representatives of belarusian special operations, as the russians say - they would not take a vacation and go on a business trip to countries that

are of interest to lukashenko, now there is a force that can act completely independently, and lukashenko will say all the time that this is neon, that he does not have ot our rich, he will not promote any projects of lukashenko and alexander, if you talk to everyone about prigozhin himself, about his personality, well, after all, prigozhin is one of the richest people in russia , as far as we understand, in particular, in the last year , his companies have made billions, and it is obvious that he is a dollar billionaire, at least until his own. now, a photo appeared yesterday from this one that was discussed brought somewhere in some tent in some i apologize to the common in and and so and so and so and so and this and this is a billionaire so does this mean that prigozhina simply has nowhere to go now except belarus, he is nowhere does not feel safer than in this

field tent, i think that yes, he was released from the criminal responsibility of the system on the condition that he will leave the territory of the russian federation because, indeed, according to the laws of the russian federation, he committed a sufficiently serious crime and in general er, if putin freed him from responsibility, then of course he does not want to see him on his territory. there is another important reason why gornom began to gain great political weight . he became not only the head of a private military company, but also a political figure who largely determines the political agenda in russia federation and putin, on the eve of the 2000 elections on the 24th , do not need such a person who, even if he had hepatitis, could be his political

political opponent, and i believe that after all, the only place where poroshenko and putin agreed prigozhyn can feel safe is belarus because a number of western states and african countries consider prigozhyn a war criminal and demand his extradition for trial, but this does not mean that his commercial empire is spread all over the world, his concord company is registered in singapore. besides, there are big business interests from russia itself, they did not say that his business would be confiscated today. what does the spider mean in belarus? he will operate his web of business web as before, i think in those regions where his business interests are located . that is, do you think that he will be able to gain control over his army

of mercenaries ? the former were made up of bones and in the army they will probably agree to sign a contract with the russian federation with the ministry of defense, there are such data, the second part of his group, which was made up of criminal elements with an outstanding criminal record, they were called, after all, with under the conditions that if they, as they say, look at their guilt , then the criminal record will be removed, but since not all of them have served the stipulated contracts and they have a good criminal record, it is clear that it is impossible to find criminal people with outstanding criminal records on the territory of belarus, that is, it is no longer possible there are 20-25,000 people in total, and some part is possible, maybe one-third , maybe less, well, the number here can fluctuate within the widest, widest

limits, someone says about two and a half thousand people, the polish mass media say it's 8,000 человек well, in any case, i think that somewhere in the middle, around 5,000 people, these people will be temporarily in the territory of belarus, waiting for contracts with the governments of the pro-russian countries in africa and the middle east , because the conditions under which he was released in byelorussia - this is what he will continue to observe the interests of the russian federation and support pro-russian regimes . the american institute for the study of war says that putin, uh, mm. wagner, is not interested in putin. it is necessary. it is necessary. this private military company is a terrorist. president biden, when he was asked about prigozhyn and whether he knows how he is doing . he said that i do not know where he is, but i would be

very worried if i were him. they put him there on a plate to eat, eh. is it possible that putin will remove the beauty, eh? and then what will happen to this and this pvk wagner, where will she end up, will she continue to stay like this, that is , yevgeny utkin, for example. but that’s not what ’s worrying, only the most media face well, i thought that this would be important for putin's image if he kept his promise, and it's not just a promise, it's an agreement with lukashenko, a three -party agreement prigozhyn lukashenko, putin , and in principle, taking into account that prigozhyn is a media person, and he is in that case if putin does not keep his word, i think that i will seriously damage the name of putin as a person who does not keep his

word, so i think that putin will not clean up or organize the removal of prigozhin. the decree that legalizes the legal entity varger on the territory of belarus, so that they had the status of uh, it means that some legal private person is allowed to be a private person, because according to our legislation, today prigozhyn, together with his soldiers, is an illegal armed formation that simply cannot be, according to the constitution, on the territory of the belarusian investigator one should wait for lukashenko's decree, which will provide some legal basis for the stay of the wagners on the territory of belarus, and how belarusians in general

regard the fact that now these wagnerites are in belarus, they are training some teroboronov soldiers, they are arriving in wagnerets for the belarusians, they are heroes, just like in russia, they are all hated, or are they actually criminals, who are they? well, i think that there is no division of points here point of view , and it depends not only on the political, but also on the age of the elderly people of retirement age, they are mainly oriented towards the official point of view and what will be broadcast through the state dare the cat, the elderly and people of retirement age will take it on faith , after all, they are very little noticed on the internet. they certainly perceive , uh, many of them, the appearance of wagner as

some kind of threat, as a threat to stability on the territory of belarus, as some possibility of aggressive actions wagner from the territory of belarus against poland against transbaltia against ukraine because it is constantly in the internet space and they perceive the point of view that is broadcast by the western media and are independent, so i think they have an immediate distance and a state of uncertainty. in order for the wagner group not to play a game that is not interesting to him, first of all, in belarus there are serious military units that, by training, can be inhumane, even this is the force of special forces

operations, the numbers of which can roughly correspond well, and besides, i think that lukashenko will not allow the concentration of wagnerites in large quantities on his territory, he will send them abroad to carry out any kind of left-wing or catalistic actions agreements, the russian political commentator stanislav bilkovskyi, who lived in kyiv for several years, even learned the ukrainian language well, he wrote about the fact that, in fact, the whole prigozhina riot was not ended, it continues, and in particular, in this sense, he mentions this recent scandal with the commander of the army in the zaporozhye direction , the russian russian ivan, who was removed from the command post, who admitted the huge losses in this area.

the general and the deputy minister of defense that his one well, that is, it is general mikhail mizintsev , there is a colonel-general, then these are the deputies of the suravik army to the colonel-general yudin and so on, there is an elephant, a bunch of officers somewhere generals, no one can say where they are, they have already looked for surovikin even in the silence of the sailors, that is, they seem to be somewhere . it seems that no one has arrested them, but they are nowhere . he got out of this situation with a beautiful campaign - this is how i will say this is a thermometer and this is an indicator of a disease that exists in the russian military militia, it is clear that there is a split between the parquet generals who were protected in the ministry

of defense and the so-called generals by the franks, and i think that it was they who remained behind the beauties because they could move without hindrance, but from the field camps through the territory controlled by the russian government to the youth zone and further to moscow, they could only if the armed forces or even - there would be no supporters of them in the law enforcement agencies of the russian federation, who, in general , the people keep a fig in their pocket, that is, it is a reflection of conflicts in the russian military elite. it is clear that the absence of srulykin and a number of other high-ranking generals in medino field indicates that the government is obviously thinking of balancing the ministry of defense and

the front-line generals to destroy this situation, because even without them, all without others, putin will not be able to replace the military bureaucracy during the war . it is certainly impossible for front-line generals who actually launch a military operation and many of them risk their lives and even die , so this is the essence of the conflict. i don't know how to get out, he needs front-line soldiers who know how to fight, but he is afraid of them and relies on loyal people who

only know how to steal. and here is such a dilemma of the dictator thank you mr. oleksandr oleksandr olesya independent military viewers the leading belarusian express on the issue of defense and the military-simple complex was with us . well, then we will also talk about what these statements of valery zaluzhny mean to foreign journalists that we will kill the enemy on his territory but with our own weapons, as soon as we have the means, no one will stop, he will go to liberate crimea, and we will also talk about what all these removals and so on mean to us at the top of the russian army. but about all this will be later, and once again we will talk about sobchak and simonyan, who were allegedly preparing an attack, who is he, sometimes they say that i am an allergen

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the previous hour before that before the break, we told you about the fact that neo-nazis were allegedly detained in russia . well, as the russians say, who were preparing an attempt on simon jan margarita and ksenia sobchak, margarita simonyan already wrote about this castle on her telegram channel. this one on her an attempt, and this is not the first time that this attempt is being made for us. fsb, together with the ministry of internal affairs, and the sc, what is the sc? i don't know. they detained a group that was preparing my murder on the order of ukraine . margarita simonyan, it seems that some men tried

to take her and ksenia sobchak's life for a reward , and they detained some aunts and weapons and all kinds of things there. maybe bandera himself i wanted to commit an assassination attempt. margarita simonyan appeared as ksenia sobchak without a clue. actually, i don’t understand either. well, you have to ask. you know, the experts already have ivan stupak , a military expert, an employee of the security service of ukraine in the fourth of the 15th years. i think, ivan, the topic is yours, if you heard the statements of the russians that they detained their terrible neo-fascists, who seem to have joined the sbu, and the sbu hired them to kill two pillars, in fact, russia is supported by the family of the russian mother, this is margarita simonyan, of course, and uh, ksenia sobchak, what are you do you think about this, it actually coincided in time with the interview with bohdan, who confirmed that we already have our own massat and we will get revenge with actions from people who kill

ukrainians, so look. well, a lot is said about massat, well, there are ukrainian special services working there well, it’s a bit unpleasant for me to say why the ukrainian mass should be sent there, well, we also have our own special services that are engaged in such activities and they, er, eliminate people both in the occupied territories and in the territory under the control of the geography of criminals, that’s why they are ukrainian special services are engaged in this, yes, several special services are moving in this direction, that is, there are further successes that can be said , there are still not very successful ones, there are those that cannot yet be said in this case, even if everything that was said is true. yes, what about the russians? i was preparing for one attack on all the crazy people on this one, lord, you will understand on another, this propaganda one. that's all sobchak , it seems to me that the sbu has switched to a new tactic . that is, it was not about murder, but it

was said that during the search they found rubber bullets. handcuffs, maybe not murder, maybe some kind of torture was being prepared for these propagandists, she basically said that they don't deserve to be put on the pillory, they wanted to tie up this ryzhitsky this same week, and how is this russian who, as it turned out, is of ukrainian origin, who is involved in the let's say the launch of rockets on vinnytsia ran, ran and caught up. it's who and who arranged the finish line for him this week. you see, sport doesn't always mean health. well, it certainly happened again. well, it's hard to say whether it's the main directorate of intelligence or the security service. of ukraine who are actively working in this direction and they deal with these issues. i think that over time we will see the trees of life hacks, so if one of the heads of these bodies starts somehow

there, uh, be careful to talk about this topic . running there is not always very good. yes, for health, it will mean that this particular body is involved in the liquidation of this criminal. well, i think that in a month or two we can hear . maybe even earlier. remember about the crimean bridge, in principle, there is quite quickly we began to learn from the words of the baby that in principle this sound is probably behind them . yes, that's how he began to cautiously hint at this topic . the same story happened with the prepositions and with the tatar . enough well, it is interesting, of course, and there are many interesting tests , it was said, in particular, the general said that we will kill the enemy on his territory , but with his own weapons, he said for black.