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start with your results of the nato summit in vilnius. conversation with my lithuanian colleagues that many in lithuania are disappointed with these results how do you how do you feel about them getaptransation because is overlapping original text translation biggees paratrooper e-e duto e-e her tos nation and to fill that e-e were not ready to give e-e

she died the first promising prospects for the membership of ukraine she also this disapodiment e-e to continue their military actions and continue the war with sach e -th results at the vilnius summit, namely that ukraine is an invitation to the alliance, the members of the alliance agreed to this, they are not against it, they want to see ukraine only on the condition that ukraine will

meet the requirements, and therefore there is a certain level of such uncertainty. unfortunately, this is also was the biggest disappointment, on the other hand, the success of the summit, because in other areas there are indeed positive moments, we are talking about the attitude of the allies and the general atmosphere in the alliance, we understand that now ukraine is much closer to nato than it was , say, 10 years ago, and now all representatives of nato, they really give ukraine the green light. that is, this is a kind of finalization stage regarding territorial defense, crisis management, or management of financial

tasks, as it was before, e.g. 10 years ago , for example, i consider success to be very clear decided to strengthen defense and restraint against aggressors. after the annexation of crimea during the warsaw summit in 2016, there were already steps in this direction and outstanding decisions were made. the plans of the shield, we are the zones of responsibility with new

defense models and before that the forces that are in full combat readiness on the eastern flank of nato were about 40,000 a-a wax now it is already about 300,000 that is, in all four aspects, in the air, in the cyber area, on the ground, in the sea, that is, power is building up everywhere, and therefore these are positive moments, of course, one cannot fail to mention the political approval for sweden from turkey , and the integration of sweden into the alliance is already beginning, and the baltic countries are already becoming in fact, this part of the baltic sea will already be on the borders of nato, another possible moment was the strengthening of investments and the defense sector, the increase of the interest rate, as well as the strengthening of the production

of weapons, so there are a lot of great solutions was accepted, actually returning to the question of ukraine's membership in the ato, i want to say about ukraine's prospects, i want to say that in fact i think i am almost sure that the bow-post of integration and inevitable integration we are waiting for the invitation and for the further integration of ukraine into nato because if now as we say there is some uncertainty regarding the wording next year in the united states, washington will host another nato summit, and we understand that ukraine, the issue

of ukraine will be on the top of the agenda, and i think that all political processes will continued there and we hope that there will already be an invitation to nato for ukraine, please, mr. ginteres, regarding the security guarantee for ukraine, this is what we expected, at least if not the invitation to nato . the security guarantees are clearly spelled out . it is exactly that in vilnius, these guarantees are not specified, security measures are defined . does it matter and are they not purely declarative? okay, excuse me. i got you question of survival

. i understood your questions. the big seven agreed earlier, they promised whether security guarantees would be provided and did not name where the group of countries of the group of seven offered on

bilateral bilateral agreements economically so in other plans precisely because ukraine will need your help that such help will lead to victory against russia on it's a pity, it's not quite a guarantee as such ukraine, i hope that ukraine will build its own guarantees , using material aid for the training of the military, as well as financially , the macroeconomic aid that it receives from representatives of the collective action, but it is not about the application

of article number 5, and in particular, regarding the obligations to defend ukraine , the declaration states that in the future , if russia attacks ukraine, then these countries that signed the declaration undertake to provide er, to provide without a guarantee of security for ukraine but again, it somehow sounds so utopian, unfortunately, first of all, your country is already at war, this is a real war on your territory, it is in an intensive phase, and unfortunately, you now have to work very hard, because the struggle is with the guarantee of the regime and you really want and you really need these security guarantees, but unfortunately

there are none because a consensus regarding the invitation to ukraine was not reached at the summit and in my opinion there are certain countries that do not want the escalation of the conflict, they believe that they can stimulate escalation, in particular, even if it is about the launch of article number five, because the invitation itself can be a trigger for increasing the geography of the war, and therefore it is very important, a very important element of the process is the actual agreement to find a common to the denominator regarding further actions , as well as regarding the specific signals that will be sent to the kremlin from drowlingo countries, they really draw another red line for russia. nato aims

to contain russia, prevent it from advancing further into the territory of ukraine, and ultimately help ukraine to expel the invaders from its country. tell me , please. what about you? opinion ukraine should do in the period from vilnius to washington itself in order to get some new quality of relations e-e plus repeat and translated now

on the one hand there are certain priorities for ukraine to liberate the territory on which the foot of the occupier stepped, we will understand how difficult it is, because in reality russia really made maximum efforts er had huge ambitions and now they have really strengthened themselves er what survival 3g and that is why the situation that is developing on the battlefield at now, the question is, do you live with the moscow regime as such, that thing, and therefore, in order to achieve peace, in fact, as the president of ukraine zelensky said, and in fact, i think that in the final nato communique there is also this formula was recognized and other points were also added, on the other hand, i also want to note that

ukraine and the allies really did a great job of strengthening the towers, providing better training to their military, and the models of the beri leishany, all these efforts were directed to the possible future liberation of ukrainian i also believe that your political elites, diplomats, and the highest political establishment will work not only with your true friends, friends who express support for ukraine's membership in nato eh soldalsov eh representatives who currently still doubt, in particular, in washington and other countries to conduct such a parallel

dialogue. i believe that it will really be necessary to make maximum efforts to explain incentives in order to achieve certain results , our allies and your partners are also joining ukraine in particular as part of the consultations, because this year will pass really quickly , and by the way, if you have no more questions , i would like to add that and my vision, in particular , regarding the issue that most western countries they do not have such a vision for russia, it is very important that as soon as they talk about what they want and are going to support ukraine as long as it takes , they actually support president zelenskyi

's peace formula regarding the reconstruction of the territory , the liberation of ukrainian land, further reconstruction, it seems that they do not know that in the end in as a result of working with russia , russia must lose this war, this vision is shared by all allies and friends, but they really fear the fall of the kremlin regime itself, the integration of russia and the like we have exports, they should discuss this issue. how to restrain russia, how to deal with it, what is the strategy for russia out until the restoration of some relations with russia in

the future, because russia must lose this war if we want victory for ukraine. so i have such a vision, thank you, thank you for this conversation. and why gintes macdonaz, former director of military intelligence of the european union, a colonel of the armed forces of lithuania , retired from this to the expert center for the study of eastern europe, and now we will move on to our conversation with the director of the middle eastern center of research igor semivalos, congratulations, mr. igor, congratulations, congratulations, greetings, good evening, everyone, hello to today's visit of the president of south korea. a few months ago, his office categorically denied the very possibility of a visit by the president of south korea to kyiv and said that such a visit would take place only if there were radical changes in the policy of help of south korea of ​​ukraine , well, if this visit took place, then we can say that radical changes have taken place, well, obviously , yes, i think so. just like that, the president of the north

korea does not come a thousand kilometers to kyiv, wasting his time and um and bringing with him rather large uh promises to support the support of ukraine itself, the reconstruction there uh we are talking about 50 billion dollars and these are large sums and if we say about the changes that have taken place, it is obvious that this is a whole set of changes, uh, and north korea is a person, no, no, sorry . yes, south korea, they or the republic of korea , it would be more correct, they are conducting quite active negotiations with the americans, and we saw earlier that they are already americans are ready to buy back part of the weapons that were supplied and also transfer them to ukraine, we know that south korea actively cooperates with poland, and

it is obvious that now the korean cell industry is opening up new opportunities in eastern europe. and of course they see such prospects in ukraine . korea in order to help us with military aid for post-war reconstruction , as they have already mentioned, and humanitarian aid , because i always understand that no one does anything, no doubt. i think that the key the problem is china eh pay attention to my-pens recently speaking in a debate he mentioned china in the contact of ukraine he said that the victory of ukraine helps us stop china and that is, it limits the capabilities of china so i think that in this context the north is the south and what

south korea is also considering this story, that is, the victory of ukraine is more security from a possible chinese invasion, if not an invasion, then an escalation of the conflict in the ocean region. let's move on to the history of the behavior of the president of turkey and and he was criticized at the nato summit, do you understand why he suddenly changed his position with regard to the integration of sweden the day before the sami that nothing will happen if turkey's application to the european union is not unblocked and then he solved all the problems with the secretary general of nato in literally half an hour and the prime minister of sweden , everything. what happened? i think that you have already been told and made predictions about the fact that turkey will make a decision to support sweden at the last moment. and of course, ask for respect in the very receiving that they can make it clear that there can be no unblocking of turkey's entry into the european union until the problem of northern cyprus is solved and everyone

understands and knows this very well, but steps towards turkey have been made and made precisely where it is still possible and where it is not well, let's say does not contradict the common policy of the european union , that is, at least a whole number of countries have unblocked the supply of weapons, the supply of technologies eh hmm at least claims that they will contribute to turkey's entry into the european union that is, in principle, erdoğan achieved exactly what he wanted, or at least, of course, he obviously wanted more, but this is also a good result, and i think that he is satisfied to exchange good ones, it is enough to exchange permission for specific decisions that in the future may contribute to the turkish economy. this is

not a bad result, but leave this compromise so that, after all, he will not consider ratification until the fall, that is, he agreed that he will consider it in exchange for joining the eu , but in the fall, well, he will consider it in exchange for the anti-terrorist legislation of sweden and sweden must implement this anti-terrorist legislation, that is, in principle, he has to explain something to his voters and his party members, and it is clear that sweden has fulfilled this, now we put an end to it, but for him it is important actually, this is the beginning of negotiations with the european union , the beginning of negotiations with key countries , the united states of america and canada, with the

same one that unblocked the supply of engines. it was possible to derail at this summit precisely because such a reshuffle took place . and to what extent, in principle, can it be considered that now erdogan is really drifting under his special relations with russia in the direction of still greater special relations with the united states and the west in general? i think it is possible, and it is not his ideological wishes, that is, not his logic. rather, it is simply a statement of the simple fact that there is no money, that is, the russians have run out of money and, accordingly, there is nothing to catch, no, there will be no investment, no, no. there will be technologies, there will be nothing that can help turkey to get out of the crisis in which it found itself, instead , the european union of communications and america can offer just investments and money and technology and the restoration of cooperation, of course

, come from these very mercantile of reasoning er-e irregano is doing it again er-e so it is shifting to the west yes, i will not claim that this is the final decision because a-a turkish propaganda over the years has built a whole series of anti-western and hmm eurasian narratives which are now to be eradicated almost impossible, i.e. although i assume that in principle the party will be party members will fluctuate with the opinion of the party leader, but vdogan tries to drift in any case and it seems to igor that this remoteness of turkey at the moment from russia closer to the west annoys putin because continuing grain water is difficult enough now, and when erdogan came out

, you said that the russians agreed , piskov came out and noted that they did not agree to anything, so there will no longer be such influence and agreements in this humanitarian issue this is a very interesting story, in fact, it needs at least a minimum of analysis, but it turns out that ertogan well, how can you say that , he created a very bad situation for putin , because if putin refuses now after vartugan's words, then the situation with putin's visit to erdogan well, it just becomes hmm, it’s quite complicated, moreover, and if we assume that this was, well, this assurance was or these words were said that turkey will then be independent to ensure the security of this corridor

because, well, such a formal mouth the president publicly, so far we haven't heard it, the turkish ointment is a bitch, but there is a lot of talk about it, so it can be assumed that it was, if such a situation will continue to develop in such a way, then it is obvious that uh, russia will then be all the more difficult situations, they are closed, well, in any case, turkey can then simply close the bosphorus for security reasons and whatever you want, that is, they will invent in principle or will create if they cannot close the bosphorus, what is possible, they simply create the same conditions for russian ships, which are coming weeks, we can turkish a-a services inspect these ships, that is, in other words, the turks now have a lot of er leverage on russia, er, already i

am not talking about er, the transportation hub, which is practically left the only window in himself for the russians, that is, putin will either have to agree, or it is like right now he is calling the president of the north african republic and telling him that no one there wants to be friends with him and, accordingly , everyone is deceiving him for this, in principle, no it's cold, not hot, actually, everyone here is great they understand the schedules and now they are just waiting for what will solve all of this, there are two days left and if there is no result from the russians in two days , although i think that where are they divided, and if there is no result, then there will obviously be some other solutions because

erdoğan will in no way want to simply wash his hands of this situation and say that everything is ok, i did not succeed, that is, for him, the promotion of his interests in the middle east and africa is very important, which means that he will do everything to preserve cereal corridor well, on the other hand, there may be a situation when russia will now suspend its participation and then resume it, as putin said in an interview in a newspaper, a businessman . everyone will meet our demands, then we will return to this again, maybe this is why this whole idea is that now russia will withdraw from this agreement and then putin will go to erdogan and agree on something and it will start working again , so the problem in general is that the sanctions

are lifted by a non-organ the sanction is not even removed the secretary general of the un, the europeans are lifting the sanctions and i don't think that this story is of interest to the europeans right now, that is, in principle, everyone understands very well that the sanctions will most likely not be lifted. er, making concessions is a constant concession to putin, because he will constantly invent new new reasons, no one will go for it, most of all here, of course, schedules can change and it is more difficult to predict, let's say, decisions that may be made by politicians in those or other circumstances but as of now, most likely, this will not happen. so, in essence , putin can only refuse the agreement altogether or agree to the extension of this agreement on those terms , he has no other options, and we will withdraw from