[000:00:00;00] liman was, is and will always be ukraine about unbreakable cities of ukraine from the ukraine project in the documentary cycle deoccupation that saturdays at 11:10 on espressor no tv viewers on espresso tv channel program studio event we will analyze the most important events of this week and we will try to predict how they will play out in our next weeks, our guests today are matthew bryza and andriy biankovskyi , our first guest is the former adviser to the united states secretary of state, the former director

of european and eurasian affairs at the council of national security of the usa matthew braiser i congratulate you dear mr. ambassadors in the studio of the espressov tv channel, the story is the consequences of the great summit in vilnius, so we would like to ask you why president joseph biden still did not dare to push through the so-called very clear pro-ukrainian order denis , in particular, it is about the direct membership of in nato, please decipher this extremely important strategic discussion , its strategic consequences, in particular, not only for ukraine, but for the security of the entire central and certainly not only central europe the strategic consequences are great and positive for both ukraine and nato at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine in february 2022, such results could only be dreamed of, remember how the friends and future allies of ukraine hesitated to provide

any significant military assistance today we have a promise j7 continue to provide significant military aid and a clear commitment from the united alliance to support ukraine until it defeats russia, but bearing in mind this and the fact that i was present at the bucharest summit in april in 2008, i was disappointed by the position of president biden and olaf schulz. did angela merkel's predecessor block the membership action plan for ukraine and georgia? in bucharest , after all, reports have now appeared that it was the usa and germany that did not agree to cooperate with other allies regarding the formulation of the kip. ukraine will receive an invitation as soon as the war is over, this is a strategic mistake and, unfortunately, the experience of the bucharest summit did not help us to avoid it, we understand that putin did not start

a local war for nothing, putin barely started not an existential war, on which the existence of ukraine will depend, the borders of the western world in the east will depend on it, and so on and so on . well , in your opinion, how hard is president joseph biden willing to play? turn that this is the fifth article, currently we are getting analogues, in particular , it is about the security guarantee, but security guarantees are not the same as the fifth article, first of all , uncertainty is always decisive in cases where it is about security guarantees which do not comply with the fifth article is difficult to predict and will never tell us when the usa will resort to force in the case of ukraine because it is already in a state of severe

war. can declare that russia is at war with nato, but putin is already doing it . he threatens nuclear weapons and we feel his bluff. he once again tells everyone that russia is not at war with ukraine, but with the entire alliance, so i really don't know what the president is afraid of biden, he simply has a certain emotional fear of his involvement in a nuclear conflict, national security advisor jake sullivan encourages president biden to move in the right direction, but on this so far , all the military support that the united states has provided to ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the united states , together with great britain, led the alliance problem because such self-restraint or the fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia led to the fact that a significant part of this essential aid arrived in ukraine too late if all of it had been provided to ukraine itself

at the beginning of the war, ukraine would be in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today, and therefore pressuring ukraine to launch a counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine. i do not want to be ungrateful , because in general, we in ukraine, we pay tribute to our western friends, our western partner, if it were not for their timely help, most people would have been killed, we understand that it would be as big as solodos, there would be a devastation of coffee, many would shot someone would have been demonstrably executed or hanged, but we received help and at the same time we are also aware that this help may not be enough, at the same time we understand that in order to strategically decide the course of the company, we need aviation, the same f-16s, in order to destroy enemy logistics centers we need etecams systems our commander

-in-chief, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , general zaluzhny, speaks very clearly about this , in particular in those interviews that came out in the west , we understand that in the pentagon in the white house understand what general zaluzhny was talking about, as i already mentioned, it is really unwise and imprudent for us in the usa and nato to put pressure on ukraine or make certain judgments about the speed of its counteroffensive in order to be able to justify further military support , especially when we are not ready to provide f-16 fighters for providing an air shield that is so necessary for a successful offensive or counteroffensive. so when it comes to military planning, we take steps that are not entirely rational in terms of attacks. of course, they are absolutely necessary to increase the range artillery shelling we remember how even before the usa provided heimers, russian artillery simply blew up ukrainian cities, and how after the first days of their work, russia was

forced to stop its harsh tactics of war crimes, so we cannot do without atakams if we want to be able to hit russian high-target targets that threaten ukraine, answering your question why haven't you delivered them yet, again, i think it's about self-inflicted gunfire, the biden administration is afraid that if russia provides f16 statements that it is at war with nato and will dare to escalate because russia has done nothing when crossing the west and its red lines regarding military support for ukraine in relation to the attacks stop fears that a longer range may allow ukraine to hit targets on russian territory to potentially can lead to the expansion of the geography of the war, this is an argument that is false because, firstly, ukraine promised not to do this, and secondly, because ukraine is already

striking the territory illegally occupied by russia considers russian, either for the 4 temporarily annexed regions or for crimea, that is why the arguments that the biden administration uses to convince itself why it is not necessary to increase military aid are counterproductive and simply do not make any sense, returning to the previous question, i understand why nato is not ready to invite ukraine to join to the alliance as soon as the war ends, because it can give putin an excuse to continue the war as long as possible, but he has already decided to do it anyway, so this ar is also just a diversionary maneuver, we should have give ukraine more clarity on when it will be invited to nato and we definitely should have provided f16 and attacks long before ukraine started its counteroffensive biden's courage is enough biden understands putin's calculations well despises him calls him a war criminal after all which he is biden led an alliance that

crossed each of putin's red lines , in particular, when putin everywhere threatened nuclear weapons and biden's opinion. generally quite brave , but allows russia to restrain itself because it is trying to maintain the integrity of nato. he knows that germany does not really want to go as far as he would like, while poland or the baltic countries are ready to go much further in accelerating ukraine's accession to nato and providing them with the necessary weapons. he knows that putin plans to buy as much time as possible in the hope that nato will give a crack at that biden is trying to secure the alliance, even if his steps seem to me here in istanbul to be quite restrained, dear matthew, i know that you know how the russians work, in particular, it is about certain negotiating points, and i myself

i would like to ask you now about a certain dynamic, in particular, it is about what putin came up with at the beginning of the war, what proposals he made and what he has now, how much putin's appetites have changed or decreased, on the other hand, we understand that in ukraine , we demand a very clear and transparent position return our lands , we demand compensation for our losses, putin's goals have changed from his truly insane desire to capture kyiv in just a few days and essentially destroy the ukrainian nation to simply holding on and not letting the destruction of its military on the battlefield until the united states and its nato allies and other friends around the world do not tire of helping ukraine , putin's goals are only criminal as you can imagine, it is no longer a genocidal desire to destroy the ukrainian nation, now they are aimed at his personal the survival of prigozhina's mutiny struck him head on and destroyed

the morale of the russian military. imagine that you are a russian soldier on the front line in this brutal war, you are torn to pieces by the ukrainians and their western friends who supply powerful weapons, and here you see, say, in bakhmut , a group of your former comrades doing the most extreme thing that you, as a soldier, could in principle imagine, it is about treason, about an attempt to overthrow the government, but putin turns a blind eye to it, are they now allowed to roam freely, or could it be something even deeper to undermine the morale of the russian armed forces, there are many people around putin who clearly want him to leave, and therefore i think that his goal now is simply to survive, which we clearly do not value enough in ukraine's struggle against russia is how much it has done for us militarily, timotiyesh, a brilliant financial and strategic analyst, made a comment a few days ago during a meeting

i attended, he said that the united states invested $50 billion in military support for ukraine, but ukrainian soldiers destroyed much more of russian equipment and worsened the military potential of russia, which is several times more than the 50 billion dollars that the united states provided to ukraine. so, based on the socio-economic point of view, the investments of the united states in the ukrainian army were it is deeply in the interests of the united states, and in our interests, of course, that ukraine not only survives but also wins this war, and since it became a member of nato, we understand that we are in a state of war , a beastly war, extremely difficult, and the west is somehow trying not to get involved in the second one, because we see there are also certain trends, there is a feeling that strategically, russia can no longer offer anything in order to achieve this or that victory. it can only prolong

the war, and this is where history feels. how long can they prolong the war? because putin imitates willingness to wage an almost century-long war against ukraine against the west and so on, of course the issue of resources well, we understand that russian resources and ukrainian resources are one thing, but the resources of, for example, the euro-atlantic community and putin's resources are not comparable things. so, dear mr. president, how long can putin try to continue the war because putin is losing this war he is ready to fight it until someone stops him from a strategic point of view he has definitely suffered the biggest defeat in the history of russia since the collapse of the soviet union he received twice as long from nato than before the war ukraine is now more determined than ever to join nato and to be a successful post-soviet neighboring state that is an alternative

to putin's criminal kleptocratic regime and this is putin's biggest fear successful democratic prosperous ukraine that will eventually become a member of nato he cannot stop this process, so he will continue to fight as long as possible, hoping that ukraine will tire, that all of us, the united states , our allies in the west, will tire and stop supporting ukraine, however this will never happen, the russian economy is rapidly deteriorating, revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons in the first quarter of this year were 47% lower than last year, the budget deficit is growing, the ruble has fallen sharply in price, and there is also an attempted coup putin , to put it mildly, is scared, he is doing something he has never done before he did not do it before, for example, he is trying to show the russian people that he loves him. that is why he goes to derbento and hugs people there, and this is when even his closest advisers

must be in quarantine before meeting him for two weeks ago that he is so paranoidly afraid of getting sick putin is scared and will continue to fight as long as he can but he doesn't have long left largely thanks to the amazing bravery and victory of ukrainian soldiers and the help of friends and future nato allies we should not flinch at his next mention of nuclear weapons. he likes to say that if he is cornered, then he will surrender to everything. well , he was cornered during prigozhin's uprising. and what did he do? he got scared and let prigozhin and his soldiers go, apparently. pardoned, that is, when he was cornered, he simply gave up, so that putin's red lines are worthless, dear ambassadors , i would like to ask you about the best security guarantee scenario for ukraine. well, i would not like the story of the so-called budapest memorandum to repeat itself from a rational point of view about the budapest

memorandum, none of these promises matter if nato and other friends of ukraine do not demonstrate a real willingness to provide ukraine with whatever military support it needs to prevent russia from winning at the moment we see unprecedented aid in the form of military weapons, in the future everything will be different , a whole network of ties in the field of political security will be connected with ukraine, and the most important thing will be membership in nato, which at the same time will mean that an attack on ukraine will be an attack on the entire alliance and until we have achieved this, the main thing is for nato and the united states and their friends such as japan and south korea to convincingly assure that if everything continues as it is now , then a coalition of willing countries that will not just watch from the sidelines will come, there were talks about the fact that some nato members can provide military assistance on the ground, it is reported that when putin threatened

to use nuclear weapons, bill benz, the head of the cia, went to moscow and said that if you do this, the united states will intervene militarily and eventually destroy your army . in my opinion , it is a security guarantee for ukraine that if putin uses tactical nuclear weapons, the united states will destroy the russian army, this is a real security guarantee that putin did not neglect and it is much more important than any words in nato communiques or any memorandum . in ukraine, we can trust our american friends for kusullivan and william burns . you know those people . i would ask you to describe them. benz he is one of the most creative humble reliable diplomats officials and people ever met he can be trusted

100% just like jake sulliwa jake is clear in his statements when everyone outside the white house is trying to catch him asking do you want ukraine to win, he answers very carefully and consistently: we want to strengthen ukraine so that it does not suffer a defeat, strengthen it so much that it is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he is honest, you can trust him, but at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined the threats of russia and putin, and it seems sad that he has not learned the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean the ukraine of the baltic countries and poland, he has not delved into the history of what professor snyder calls bloody lands, without such an understanding, one cannot learn the most important lesson, which is that the language understood by the soviet or russian leader is the language of fear, if they can instill fear in us, they will continue to press, if we can instill

fear in them, they will stop, this is a lesson that in my opinion jake has not yet mastered the opinion of white benz , who was my supervisor in moscow, i think he understands all this very well. therefore, we understand that these are people close to the presidents, these people who influence the formation of foreign policy have absolutely, well, 99% confidence of their president . but i had to hear some such strange signals, and sometimes i got the impression that jake sullivan rather inhibits certain initiatives on the part of the secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon need to understand how the foreign policy of the united states works at this level. i actually spent four years on the staff of the national

security council under president bush and in my day-to-day duties included assisting then-national security advisor condoleezza rice. so, the job of the national security advisor is primarily to advise and direct the president's thoughts because secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion , defense secretary gasting another, cia director benz another, and treasury secretary ellen his in the end, all these points of view must be coordinated and reconciled with the point of view of the only person who makes the decision, and that is president biden. so jake sully's job is in order to coordinate all the meetings, to discuss the point of view, to present them to the president of biden, to explain them, to advise him, because he is the national security adviser , and therefore to wait for the decision that the president will make, which is what is happening, and i think that it is president biden who is guided by an ambiguous fear of provoking putin to the third world war. he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which, in my opinion, is a manifestation of self-restraint. biden is also afraid to give

putin another reason to accuse nato of the fact that the alliance is his adversary in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is deeply afraid that he will not be able to maintain the unity of nato regarding the ukrainian issue, he well understands that nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive assistance for ukraine only thanks to their solidarity , it is precisely this that weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war failed with collapse, instead he received an enlarged , stronger nato , more united with ukraine, which is on the way to membership. of the goals i have listed, he must support the unity of nato, and if he insists on hopes that other nato members consider too provocative, he risks

leading to the disintegration of nato, which is unacceptable for ukraine. on the air of the espresso tv channel , matthew bryza worked for them, ex-adviser of the secretary of state of the united states, ex-director of europe and eurasia, in fact, in the case of us national security. thank you, glory to ukraine, i returned missed only not combispasm away combispasm the power that tames your pain worries headache there are discounts on kopacil 15% in pharmacies

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the main topic for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics , serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future, the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict of serhiy rudenko from monday on fridays at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 p.m. now our guest will be andriy piontkovskyi , an iconic political scientist who is in washington. glory to ukraine to andrii andriyovich as a hero. good day. well, vilnivskyi we understand the summit, there are a lot of positives, there are not too pleasant moments, but we understand that we have to endure them and wait for the summit in washington, and on the other hand, we understand that during that time, when the main attention of the world was focused on the fronts of the russian-ukrainian

war and on the vilnitsky itself summit in the euro-atlantic community, they adopted an extremely important security protocol and actions in the event of something, i.e. visa introduction , a second nato center will be opened in addition to what was measured and the main story that the commander of the nato contingent on in the event of a russian provocation, the european continent will be able to react quickly without gathering large kurultaevs and meetings. well, you understand the word vilnius. here is a certain irritation that you will feel on the first day and in general , the ukrainian audience is not very tactical. the readiness to accept ukraine into nato is unrealistic, we all

understand the reasons they are ready to understand soldiers are fighting and dying next to ukraine, they are not ready for this and we understand that they are not ready based on this reality. ukraine 's need to take some steps on reforms in the political sphere in the economy sounded simply insulting to ukrainians.

they paid for this with the blood of tens of thousands of their soldiers, and when it remained the task of the security of the west, here is the lordship of lebanon, which did everything to slow down american aid. he must bring out the fact that ukraine is saving because the invasion of the east is putin's chosen requests , collect coins and remove them, and he is confident that after the seven-day dinner masha foreign ukraine, he will become nuclear in his scope the vineyard ball in poland and they will repeat it, for this we must express our gratitude, we will not introduce this account of gratitude, we will bring it to the extreme positive current, here are the decisions to ensure the security of ukraine and for the nearest period and after the victory, now we, uh, everything has become clear, ukraine will be accepted into nato after

the victory , it is necessary to do everything that this is. real measures that will be possible under an accelerated procedure, as it was, for example, in the case of the same finland , although we understand that the starting point will be the victory of ukraine on paper, it is realized as a substitute of technical equipment, we see very positive results, well, first of all, what is another shore of the wolf, and secondly well, i believe you. i 'm here in washington. i left a question about it. all right, i won't be transferred . here i am. remind you that the question was asked at the press conference already there by suleiman. there are five more meetings with zelensky and he doesn’t care. and that’s all

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