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impartially draw conclusions yourself dear tv viewers on the air of espresso tv channel program studio event we will analyze the most important events of this week and we will try to predict how they will affect our next weeks our today's guests are matthew bryza and andriy biankovskyi , our first guest of entertainment is the secretary of state of the united states, the former director of european and eurasian affairs in the case of of national security of the usa matthew breiser i congratulate you dear mr. ambassadors in the espressov tv channel studio, the key story is the consequences of the great summit in vilnius , so we would like to ask you why president joseph biden still did not dare to push through the so-called very clear pro-ukrainian order denys, in particular, it is about direct membership of ukraine in nato , please decipher this extremely important strategic

discussion, the strategic consequences, in particular, not only for ukraine, but for the security of the entire central and certainly not only in central europe, the strategic consequences are large and positive both for ukraine and for nato. at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine in february 2022, one could only dream of such a result. of military aid today we have a promise j7 to continue to provide significant military aid and a clear commitment of the united alliance to support ukraine until it defeats russia, but taking into account this and the fact that i was present at the bucharest summit in april 2008, i was disappointed by the position of president biden and olaf schulz, whose predecessor, angela merkel, blocked

the membership action plan for ukraine and georgia, because now there are reports that it was the usa and germany that did not agree to cooperate with other allies regarding the wording who would emphasize that ukraine will receive an invitation as soon as the war is over, this is a strategic mistake and unfortunately the experience of the bucharest summit did not help us to avoid it, we understand that putin did not start for nothing a local war, putin started an almost existential war, on which the existence of ukraine will depend, the borders of the western world in the east will depend on it , and so on and so on. well, in your opinion, how hard would president joseph biden be willing to play ? so we understand that for ukraine, membership obnato - it is primarily that it is the fifth article , currently we are getting analogues, in particular, it is about security guarantees, but security guarantees

are not the same as the fifth article, first of all , uncertainty is always crucial in cases where we are talking about security guarantees that do not correspond to the fifth article, it is difficult to predict and will never tell us when the united states will resort to force in the case of ukraine , because it is already in a state of fierce war, but it is strategic, but it is because of the fear that putin will provoke the third world war or so that he can declare that russia is at war with nato, however, putin is already doing it . he threatens with nuclear weapons and we feel his bluff. he once again tells everyone that russia is not at war with ukraine, but with the entire alliance, so i it is not really known what president biden is afraid of, he simply has a certain emotional fear of his involvement in a nuclear conflict, the national security adviser jx-lebanon encourages president biden to move

in the right direction, but that's it. together with great britain led the alliance , the problem is that such self-restraint or the fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia led to the fact that a significant part of this significant aid went to ukraine too too late, if all this had been provided to ukraine from the very beginning , ukraine would be in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today, and therefore pressuring ukraine to launch its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine. i don't want to be ungrateful , because in general, we in ukraine pay tribute to our western friends, our western partners, if it wasn't for their timely help, most people would be

killed, we understand that would be great as sodus would be a debacle of coffee, many would be shot, someone would be demonstratively executed or hanged, but we received help and at the same time we are also aware that this help may not be enough, at the same time we understand that in order to strategically decide the course of the company, we need aviation, the same f-16s in order to to destroy enemy logistics centers we need etakems systems in our country, the commander -in-chief of the main command of the armed forces of ukraine , general zaluzhny, speaks about this very clearly , in particular, in those interviews that appeared in the west we understand that the pentagon and the white house understand what general zaluzhny spoke about, as i already mentioned, it is really unwise and imprudent for us in the usa and nato to put pressure on ukraine or make certain judgments about the speed of its counteroffensive in order to be able to justify further military support , especially when we are not ready

to provide f-16 fighters to provide the air shield that is so necessary for a successful offensive or counter-offensive. so when it comes to military planning, we are taking steps that are not entirely rational regarding attacks. of course, they are extremely necessary to increase the range of artillery strikes. we remember how even before the usa provided heimers, russian artillery simply destroyed ukrainian cities. and how after the first days of their work, russia was forced to stop its harsh tactics of war crimes, so we cannot do without attacks . if we want to have the opportunity hit russian high-target targets that threaten ukraine, answering your question why haven't you delivered them yet, again, i think it's about self-restraint by the administration biden is afraid that if f16 is given, russia will declare that it is at war with nato and will dare to escalate, because russia has done nothing when crossing the west and its red

lines regarding military support for ukraine in relation to the attacks. the fear is that a greater range of action may allow ukraine to hit targets on the territory of russia in order to potentially lead to the expansion of the geography of the war, this is an argument that is false because, firstly, ukraine has promised not to do this, and secondly, because ukraine is already inflicting strikes on the territory that russia illegally considers to be russian, either on the four temporarily annexed regions or on crimea , that is why the arguments that the biden administration uses to convince itself, why it is not necessary to increase military aid are counterproductive and simply do not make any sense. returning to the previous question, i understand why nato does not is ready to invite ukraine to join the alliance as soon as the war ends, because this can give putin a reason to continue the war as long as possible, but he

has already decided to do it anyway, so this ar is also just by diverting the maneuver we should have given ukraine more clarity about when it will be invited to nato and we definitely should have provided f16 and attacks long before ukraine started its counteroffensive biden's courage will be enough biden understands putin's calculations well he despises him calls him a war criminal in the end as he is, biden led an alliance that crossed each of putin's red lines , in particular, when putin everywhere threatened nuclear weapons and biden's opinion is generally quite brave , however, he allows russia to restrain itself because trying to maintain the integrity of nato. he knows that germany does not really want to go as far as he would like, while poland or the baltic states are ready to go much further in accelerating ukraine's accession to nato and providing

them with the necessary weapons. he knows that putin plans to buy as much time as possible in hopes that nato will give a crack because biden is trying to secure the alliance, even if his steps seem to me here in istanbul to be quite restrained, dear meter. i know that you know how the russians work, in particular, it is about those or other negotiating points and actually i would like to ask you now about a certain dynamic, in particular, it is about what putin came up with at the beginning of the war, what proposals he made and what his current proposals are, how much putin's appetites have changed or fallen, on the other hand, we understand in ukraine a very clear transparent position we demand our lands back we demand compensation for our losses putin's goals have changed from his truly insane desire to capture kyiv in just a few days

and essentially destroy the ukrainian nation before to simply hold on and prevent the destruction of its military on the battlefield until the united states and its nato allies, as well as other friends around the world , tire of helping ukraine , putin's goals are as criminal as you can imagine, this is no longer a genocidal desire to destroy the ukrainian nation now they are aimed at his personal survival , the mutiny of prigozhina hit him hard and destroyed the morale of the russian military. the ukrainians and their western friends who supply powerful weapons and here you see, say, in bakhmut, a group of your former comrades doing the most extreme thing that you, as a soldier , could in principle imagine, it is about treason, about an attempt to overthrow the government, but putin turns a blind eye to it, they are now allowed to run wild at large, can something

even more deeply undermine the morale of the russian armed forces, there are many people around putin who clearly want him to leave, and therefore i think that now his goal is simply to survive what we clearly what we don't appreciate enough in the country's fight against russia is how much it has done for us militarily, timothyesh, a brilliant financial and strategic analyst , made a comment a few days ago during a meeting i attended, he said that the united states invested $50 billion in military support for ukraine but ukrainian soldiers destroyed much more russian equipment and worsened the military potential of russia, which is several times more than the 50 billion dollars that the united states provided to ukraine. so, based on from a socio-economic point of view, the investments of the united states in the ukrainian army were deeply in the interests of the united states. and of course, it is in our interests that ukraine not only survives, but also wins this war, since

it became a member of nato, we understand that we are in a state of war, in fact , a beastly war, extremely difficult, and the west is somehow trying not to get involved in the second one, because we also see certain trends, there is a feeling that russia, in a strategic plan, can no longer offer anything in order to achieve this or that victory. it can only delay history feels the war here, too. how long can they prolong the war? because putin is pretending to be ready to wage an almost century-long war against ukraine, against the west, and so on. of course, the issue of resources. well, we understand that russian resources and ukrainian resources are one thing. the resources, for example, of the euro-atlantic community and putin's resources are not comparable things. so, dear madam, how long can putin try to continue the war , since putin will lose this war, he is ready

to fight it until someone will stop from a strategic point of view , he definitely suffered the biggest defeat in the history of russia since the collapse of the soviet union. putin's kleptocratic regime and this is putin's biggest fear , a successful, democratic, prosperous ukraine, which will eventually become a member of nato, he cannot stop this process, so he will continue to fight as long as possible, hoping that ukraine will get tired that all of us, the united states, our allies in the west will get tired and stop providing support to ukraine, but this will never happen. the russian economy is rapidly deteriorating. revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons in the first quarter of this year

were 47% lower than last year. the budget deficit is growing. the ruble has fallen sharply in price. and here is also an attempt at a coup d'état. putin is putting it mildly. frightened, he is doing something that he has never done before, for example, he is trying to show the russian people that he loves him. that is why he is going to dirbent hugs people there and this is when even his closest advisers have to be quarantined for two weeks before meeting him because he is so paranoid about getting sick putin scared and will continue to fight as long as he can but he doesn't have long left largely due to amazing bravery and victory to the ukrainian soldiers and the help of friends and future nato allies. we should not flinch from his next mention of nuclear weapons. he likes to say that if

he is cornered, then he will surrender he was cornered during prigozhin's uprising and what did he do? he got scared and let prigozhin go, and he probably showed mercy to his soldiers, that is, when he was cornered, he simply surrendered, so putin's red lines are worthless, dear ambassadors, i would like to ask you about the best guarantee scenario security for ukraine well, i would not like the history of the so-called budapest memorandum to repeat itself from a rational point of view. as you said about the budapest memorandum, none of these fighters are important if nato and other friends of ukraine do not will demonstrate a real readiness to provide ukraine with any military support it needs in order to prevent the victory of russia at the moment we see unprecedented assistance in the form of military weapons in the future everything will be different with ukraine a whole network of ties in the field of political security will be connected and the most important thing will be membership in nato, which at the same time will mean that an attack on ukraine will be an attack on the entire alliance

, and until we achieve this, the main thing is that nato and the united states and their friends, such as japan and south korea, convincingly assure that if everything continues as it is now, then there will be a whole coalition of willing countries that will not simply watch from the sidelines, there were talks that some nato members could provide military assistance on the ground, it is reported that when putin threatened to use nuclear weapons, bill benz, the head of the cia, went to moscow and said that if you do this, the united states will intervene militarily and eventually destroy your army, relatively speaking, such threats are credible in my opinion , this is a guarantee of security for ukraine, what if putin will use tactical nuclear weapons, the united states will destroy the russian army, this is a real guarantee of security, which putin did not neglect, and it is much more important than any words in

nato communiques or any memorandum, we can trust our american friends in ukraine for kusalivan and in the free burns, do you know those people ? i would ask you to describe them. of course, i had the opportunity to work for bela benz on several occasions. he is one of the most creative, humble, reliable diplomats, officials and people i have ever met. he can be trusted on all 100%, just like jake salliwa jake is clear in his statements when everyone outside the white house tries to catch him by asking do you want ukraine to win he answers very carefully and consistently we want to strengthen ukraine so that it does not suffer defeat strengthen it so that it is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he is honest, you can trust him, at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined by the threats of russia and

putin, and it seems sad that he has not mastered the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean ukraine in addition to the baltics and poland, he did not delve into the history of what professor snyder calls the bloody lands, without such an understanding , one cannot learn the most important lesson , which is that the language that a soviet or russian leader understands is the language of fear if they can instill fear in us they will continue to press if we can instill fear in them they will stop this is a lesson that i don't think jake has yet learned about white benz who was my supervisor in moscow i think that he understands all this very well. no, it’s just that the position for which seleva is somewhat different from the position held , for example, by colonel house. for 100 years ago, we understand that these are people close to the presidents, these people who influence the formation of foreign policy have absolutely well, there by 99% the trust of his

president. but i have heard some such strange signals, and i sometimes got the impression that jake sullivan rather slows down certain initiatives on the part of secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon. to understand how united states foreign policy works at this level, i actually spent four years on the staff of the national security council under president bush, and my day-to-day duties included assisting then -national security advisor condoleezza rice . so the job of a national security advisor is primarily to to advise and guide the president's thoughts, because the secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion , the minister of defense is guest another, the director is rubenz, another, and the minister of finance ellen is his , in the end, all these points of view are necessary with coordinate and agree with the point of view of the only person who makes the decision, which is president biden. so jake salev's work insists on coordinating all

the meetings, discussing the point of view, presenting them to the student of biden, explaining them, advising him , because he is the national security adviser , and therefore waiting for a decision that the president will accept what is happening. i think that it is president biden who is guided by an ambiguous fear of provoking putin to the third world war. he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which, in my opinion, is a manifestation self-restraint biden is also afraid to give putin another reason to accuse nato of the fact that it is the alliance that is his opponent in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is very afraid that he will not be able to maintain the cohesion of nato regarding the ukrainian issue, he well understands that nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive aid for ukraine only thanks to their solidarity , it is precisely this that weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war failed with collapse instead he received an increased

, stronger nato more united from ukraine which is on the way to membership. he did not see such a thing in his wildest dreams. therefore, he is fully aware that in order to achieve the goals i have listed, he must support nato unity, and if he insists on hopes that other nato members consider too provocative, he risks leading to the disintegration of nato, which is unacceptable for ukraine thank you very much, dear mr. embassy, ​​for this extremely frank and interesting conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that matthew bryza, an ehradnyk, was currently working for them on the espresso tv channel. of the secretary of state of the united states, the former director of europe and eurasia in the national security council of the united states thank you glory to ukraine , de-occupation, living without dubny is unsurpassed, the history of the liberated cities of ukraine left

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of the day in two hours, vasyl's big broadcast in winter , a project for smart and caring people in the evening most of all, now our guest will be andrii piontkovskyi, a famous political scientist who is in washington . kudos to ukraine. kudos to andrii andriyovich. good day . that at a time when the main attention of the world was focused both on the fronts of the russian-ukrainian war and on the same freedom summit in the euro-atlantic community, they adopted an extremely important security protocol and action in the event of something, that is, a visa, a second nato center will be opened in addition to what was measured and the main story is that the commander of the nato contingent on the european continent

will be able to react quickly in the event of a russian provocation, not large kurultaevs and meetings well, but you the word vilnius is accepted, this is a certain reflection that was felt on the first day and in general by the ukrainian audience, this is not very tactful, and the demands of the west and the first americans to explain their unwillingness to accept ukraine in nato there are no real reasons that we all understand, they are not ready to understand ukraine in nato today, this means the article, again , the americans are germans, even i want ukraine. soldiers fight and die next to the ukrainian, they are not ready for this, and we understand that they are not ready with reality they can compensate for this lack of readiness to supply

me necessary for the victory. well, even the baidan . it sounded simply insulting to some ukrainians, there is no readiness than ukraine for the ideal west, democracy , half a person, she paid for it with the blood of tens of thousands of her soldiers, and when she solved the problem of the security of the west. year , i will embrace ukraine, well, we could expect with some level of gratitude ukraine , the west understands what level of gratitude it must take away for saving ukraine you invasion from the east putin elected requests are collected and coins remove the phone and