[000:00:00;00] the countries where prigozhin has a business are the countries of the middle east and this country of africa, so they will be needed the most. so, plus , they will, say, work for lukashenko for his stay, for this is such a rent, they train uh, servicemen of the belarusian army. but our readiness now to meet any the attack from the north well, it does not compare to the one that was exactly on february 24 , 22nd, today i will tell you even if the russian army tried to enter a second time and it and we did not succeed. and belarus was ready. thank you, mr. taras, political scientist journalist officer of the first special brigade named after ivan bohun and we will return to our conversation in just a few minutes pain can become an obstacle not with

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you on the air. so let's start our conversation and start with your results of the nato summit . i see the conversation with my lithuanian colleagues that many in lithuania disappointed with these results how do you how do you feel about them getaptranslation because is overlapping original text

nation and not ready to whitewash ukraine it's a long time since the results of the vilnius summit have been made public, namely that ukraine belongs to the alliance, the members of the alliance have agreed that they are not against it, they want to see

ukraine only on the condition that ukraine meets the requirements, so there is a certain level such uncertainty. unfortunately, this was the biggest disappointment on the other side of the success of the summit, because there are indeed positive points in other areas. we are talking about the attitude of the allies and the overall atmosphere in the alliance. we understand that now ukraine is much closer to nato than it was, let's say, 10 years ago, and now all nato representatives really give ukraine the green light. that is, this is a kind of finalization stage regarding territorial

defense, crisis management, or financial task management, as it was before 10 years ago for example, i consider it a success that they decided to strengthen defense and restraint against the aggressor of the annexation of crimea during the warsaw summit in 2016. there were already steps in this direction and outstanding decisions were also made . the decision was made during the same then in madrid and finally now in vilnius , the regional defense plans of the shields

and areas of responsibility with new defense models were agreed upon and before the forces that are in full combat readiness on nato's eastern flank was about 40,000, and now it is about 300,000 troops, that is, in all four aspects, in the air , in the cyber area, on the ground, in the sea, that is , power is increasing everywhere, and therefore these are positive moments, of course, one cannot but mention political approval for sweden from turkey, and the integration of sweden into

the alliance and the baltic countries are already beginning. the interest rate increase sector as well as the strengthening of arms production, that is why a lot of excellent decisions were made, actually returning to the question of ukraine's membership in the ato, i want to say about the prospects of ukraine, i want to say that in fact i think i am almost sure that oleksandr luk looks at the process of integration and inevitable integration we are waiting for the invitation and for the further integration of ukraine into nato, because if now, as we say, there is some uncertainty regarding the formulation next

year in the united states, washington will come next nato summit and we understand that ukraine, the issue of ukraine will be on the first items of the agenda and i think that all political processes will be continued there and we hope that there will already be an invitation to ukraine to join nato simply regarding the security guarantee for ukraine, this is what we expected at least if not an invitation to nato, the security guarantees are clearly spelled out, however, in the declaration based on the results , this is exactly what was signed by all the participants, uh, exactly , these guarantees are not defined in vilnius, security measures are defined. does it matter and aren't they purely declarative

? okay, excuse me . i got you question of survival . i understood your question. it applies to everyone regarding the security guarantee of ukraine. that the countries

of the group of seven have offered for bilateral agreements , economically, in other ways, you are exactly what your country will need, and such a contribution is decisive, that is, i really hope that such assistance will lead to victory against russia unfortunately, the guarantee as such is ukraine, i hope that ukraine itself will build its own guarantees, series or material assistance for the training of the military, as well as financially there is macroeconomic assistance that it receives from

representatives of the collective event, but it is not about the application of article number 5, and in particular about the obligation to protect ukraine the declaration states that in the future , if russia attacks ukraine, these countries that signed the declaration undertake to provide security guarantees for ukraine. but again it somehow sounds so utopian, unfortunately, first of all, your country is already at war, this is a real war on your territory, it is in an intensive phase, and unfortunately, you now have to work very hard, because the struggle is going on with the regime's guarantee, and you really want it now and you really need it

these security guarantees, but unfortunately, there are none. that is why it is necessary, regarding the invitation to ukraine, that was not reached at the summit, and in my opinion, that there are certain countries that do not want the escalation of the conflict, they believe that their actions can stimulate the escalation in particular, even if we are talking about the launch of article number five, because the invitation itself can be a trigger for the increase in the geography of the war, and therefore it is very important, a very important element of the process is the actual agreement to find a common denominator regarding further actions, as well as regarding specific signals that will be sent to the kremlin from the offending countries are actually

drawing another red line for russia. nato aims to restrain russia, prevent it from advancing further into the territory of ukraine , and ultimately help ukraine expel the invaders from her country please tell me what in your opinion ukraine should do in the period from vilnius to the washington summit in order to get some new quality of relations plus repeat это translated english яндекс now uh, there are certain priorities for ukraine, in particular , to liberate the territory on which the foot

of the occupier stepped, we all we understand how difficult it is, because in reality, russia really made maximum efforts, had huge ambitions, and now they have really strengthened themselves . survival 3g and therefore the situation on the battlefield is at stake now. do you live in moscow? the regime as such and therefore in order to achieve peace, in fact, as your president said , the plans of the iso are voiced by president zelenskyi in porto, and in fact, i think that in the final nato communique , this formula is also recognized, and other

points are also added with on the other hand, i also want to point out that ukraine and the allies have really done a great job of strengthening education and providing better training to their military, for the possible future liberation of ukrainian lands. i also believe that your political elites, diplomats, the highest political staff establishment will work not only in your real friends, real friends who express support for ukraine's membership in nato, e.e. soldiers, e.e., representatives who currently still doubt, in particular, in washington

and other countries, to conduct such a parallel dialogue. i believe that it will really be necessary to make maximum efforts to explain incentives in order to achieve certain results , our allies and your partners are also joining ukraine, in particular within the framework of consultations, because this year will pass really quickly and by the way, if you have no more questions , i would like to add that and my vision, in particular , regarding the issue that most western countries do not have such a vision for russia, it is very important as soon as they talk about that they want and are going to support ukraine as long as it takes

, they support president zelenskyi's peace formula regarding the reconstruction of the territory of the liberation of ukrainian land, further reconstruction , it seems that they do not know that in the end in as a result of working with russia, russia must lose this war, this vision is shared by all allies and friends, but they really fear the fall of the kremlin regime somewhere, the integration of russia and the like.

to be what is the strategy regarding uh-uh on rasha house or before the restoration of some uh-uh ties with russia in the future because russia has to lose this war if we want victory for ukraine so i have such a vision thank you thank you for this conversation and why ginteras macdonaz, former director of military development of the european union, colonel of the armed forces of lithuania, retired from this to the expert center for the study of eastern europe, and now we will move on to our conversation with the director of the center for middle eastern studies, igor semivalos, congratulations, mr. igor, congratulations, greetings, greetings, good evening, hello to all today's visit of the president of south korea a few months ago, his office categorically denied the very possibility of a visit of the president of south korea to kyiv and said that such a visit would take place only if there will be radical changes in the policy of aid from south korea to ukraine, well, if this visit took place , then we can say that radical changes have taken place , well, obviously. yes, i think. just like that, the president

of north korea will not come a thousand kilometers to kyiv, wasting his time and m-m and bringing with it rather big uh promises to support the support of ukraine itself for the reconstruction there korea man no no no excuse me yes south korea they or the republic of korea it will be obviously more correct eh they are conducting quite active negotiations with the americans and we saw earlier that they are already now the americans ready to buy back some of the weapons that were supplied and also

transfer them to ukraine we know actively cooperate south korea and poland , and it is obvious that now the korean cell industry is opening up new opportunities in eastern europe. and of course they see such prospects in ukraine. and what interesting advantages does south korea have in order to help us with military aid for post-war reconstruction, as they have already mentioned, and humanitarian aid, because i always understand that nobody does anything just like that. i think that the key problem is china ah pay attention to my-pense recently speaking in a debate just he mentioned china in contacts of ukraine, he said that ukraine's victory helps us stop china , that is, it limits china's capabilities, so i think that in this context, the north, south , and what is south korea are also

considering this history, that is, victory ukraine is more secure from a possible er, chinese er, if not an invasion , then an escalation of the conflict in that ocean region . let's move on to the history of the behavior of the president of turkey and perdogan at the nato summit, so you understand why he suddenly changed his position so abruptly in relation to the integration of sweden, the day before sami said that nothing will happen if turkey's application to the european union is not unblocked, and then he solved all the problems with the secretary general of nato and the prime minister of sweden in literally half an hour. happened in general, i think that you and i have already repeatedly said and made predictions that turkey will at the last moment make a decision to support sweden a and of course we ask that they can make it clear that

there can be no unblocking of turkey's entry into the european union until the problem is solved of northern cyprus and everyone understands and knows this very well, but steps towards turkey were made and made exactly where it is possible and where it is not. the supply of weapons, the supply of technologies, well, at least he claims that they will contribute to the entry of the appropriate european union , that is, in principle, erdogan achieved exactly what he wanted, or at least of course he obviously wanted more, but this is also a good result and i think he is satisfied, but i i understand that it remains to exchange permission for specific

decisions that in the future may contribute to the turkish economy. this is a good result, but leave this compromise, which, after all, he will not consider until the fall ratification is correct, that is, he agreed that he will consider it in exchange for joining the eu, but in the fall, he told the party members and it is clear that sweden has fulfilled it, now we put an end to it, but what is important for him is actually the beginning of negotiations with the european union , the beginning of negotiations with key countries , the united states of america and canada, with the same one that unblocked the supply of engines. well , a lot of things that, by and large, managed to get off the ground at this summit precisely because it happened so happened makirovka and to what extent, in principle, can it be considered that now erdogan is really doing

such a drake from his special relations with russia in the direction of still greater special relations with the united states and the west in general, it is possible to say so yes, i think it is possible and it is not his ideological wishes that is, not his ideology, but rather just a statement of the simple fact that there is no money, that is, the russians have run out of money, and accordingly , there is nothing to catch, there will be no investment, there will be no technology, there will be nothing if they can help turkey to get out of the crisis in which it found itself , instead

, the european union is united and america can just offer investments and money and technology and the restoration of cooperation, of course, they come from these very mercantile considerations to the west yes, i will not claim that this is the final decision, because turkish propaganda over the years has built a whole series of anti-western and hmm eurasian narratives, which are now practically impossible to eradicate, that is, although i assume that in principle the party will be members the parties will fluctuate with the opinion of the leader of the party, but the enemy tries to drift in any case and it seems to igor that this remoteness of turkey at the moment from russia closer to the west annoys putin because it is difficult enough to continue grain water now and when erdogan came out you said what did you agree the russians came out of piskov and noted that they did not agree on anything, so there will no longer be such influence and agreements on this

humanitarian issue. this is a very interesting story , in fact, it needs at least a minimum of analysis, but it turns out that ertogan well, how is it it can be said that he created a very bad situation for putin, because if putin refuses now after the words are virtual, then accordingly the situation with putin's visit to erdoğan well , it just becomes quite complicated , moreover, and if we assume that this was, well, this assurance was or these words were said about the fact that turkey will then independently ensure the security of this corridor because, well , we have not heard such a formal statement from the mouth of the president publicly so far, the turkish president, but there is a lot of talk about it, so it means accordingly

it can be assumed that it was, if such a situation will develop in such and such a way, then it is obvious that russia will then find itself in more difficult situations, they are closed, well, in any case, turkey can then simply close the bosphorus e-e for security reasons and anything, that is, they will invent anything in principle or will create if they cannot close the bosphorus, what is possible, they simply create the same conditions for russian ships that go where in a week we can have the turkish a-a services check these ships, that is, in other words, in the turks now have a lot of levers of influence on russia. i'm not talking about the transportation hub, which practically remains the only window to the world for russians, that is, putin

will either have to agree, or he will, as he calls it now. to the president of the north african republic and tells him that no one there wants to be friends with him and , accordingly, everyone is deceiving him for this, in principle, it is not cold or hot here, in fact, everyone understands the schedules perfectly and now they are just waiting for what all this what this will solve this there are two days left and if it doesn't happen in two days the result from the russians although i think where they are divided and if you do not have the results, then there will obviously be