influence on russia already i'm not talking about the transportation hub, which practically remains the only window to the world for the russians, that is, putin will either have to agree, or he 's calling the president of the north african of the republic and tells him that no one there wants to be friends with him and, accordingly, everyone is deceiving him . in principle, it is neither cold nor hot here, in fact, everyone understands the schedules very well and now they are waiting, uh , just how will this all be solved, there are two days left and if in two days there will be no result from the russians, although i think where they are divided, and if there are no results , then there will obviously be some other solutions, because erdoğan will not want

to simply wash his hands in this situation and say that everything well, i did not succeed, that is for him, the promotion of his interests in the middle east and africa is very important , which means, accordingly, he will do everything to preserve the grain corridor, but on the other hand, there may be a situation when russia will now suspend its participation and then resume, as e said about it putin is in an interview in the newspaper is a businessman. he said that we will first stop our participation in the zone, and then if everyone meets our demands, then we will return to this, maybe this is why this whole idea is that russia will withdraw from this agreement and then leave putin will come to an agreement with erdogan about something and it will start working again, it can be like that in general. well, the problem is that the sanctions are lifted by an organ

, not even the secretary general of the un, the sanctions are lifted by the europeans. and i don’t think that this story is interesting for the europeans right now, that is, in principle everyone understands very well that the sanctions will most likely not be lifted. well, because this is blackmail , which means to be blackmailed. this obviously means to continue to make concessions, permanent concessions to putin, because he will constantly invent new new reasons, no one will do it most likely here, of course, the schedules can change and it is more difficult to predict, let's say, decisions that may be made by politicians in certain circumstances, but as of now , most likely, this will not happen. so, in essence, putin only has uh, to refuse the agreement altogether or to agree to the extension

of this agreement on those terms, he has no other options , uh, we will withdraw from the agreement and then return to the agreement . these grain trucks will actually be accompanied by turkish ones. so what is the problem? well, they left and left, that is, they drove themselves into a dead end with these principles . let's touch on the topic of the fact that japan and nato signed a new cooperation program with china, the corresponding angry and even threatens igor, how close is the cooperation prescribed there? and what can it lead to, what prospects do you know? i'm a small specialist in japanese, it 's a completely different world, but it's clear that japan is already at the nato summit for the second time, japan is

getting closer with nato, and i think that the chinese threat largely determines the reasons why this is happening, the activity of japan and the decision, including, in fact, to return to the format of the army, and in general, the weapons , the new weapons, everything else, that is, it shows of course, the situation in the pacific region is straining quite seriously and, accordingly, japan needs allies , japan needs close interaction with it, the most powerful military-political alliance in the world, this is here , er, and by the way, biden's style of government , that is, biden obviously does not have enough bilateral american- japanese relations to him. it is important that

the allies get involved in all this. he, you, practically makes all his external political decisions precisely through consultation with the allies, through the active involvement of the allies in the decision or another question, japan is not an exception here, he participated very much in our broadcast, now we will have a short break, after which we will return vitaliy portnikov, as always, will comment on the most important events of the week, thank you, there are discounts on proctose neo 10% in pharmacies podorozhnyk to you and savings in the joints and spine osteochondrosis, gout, radiculitis, arthritis and arthrosis, with all these problems, you will find dicrasin, a means for external use , consultations by phone at 0800-215 349 , free calls, turn on cycles, everything as

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political from the english season in vilnius , we will talk about our european euro-atlantic perspectives, we will also remember what happened to the reconciled and the wagners, what are their plans and why did they get billions of orders there again, and for their company in russian enterprises, let's also talk about the topic of whether putin will go to the brics summit, because there he is in pairs, because they actually have him there to arrest him according to international law. because he was issued an arrest warrant by the international criminal court, but let's start , of course, with nato in vilnius, vitaly, as you and i constantly discussed, so what are you waiting for? i know that you were not fascinated , so you were probably not disappointed with

the result. here or not, we talked with you all the time about the fact that, by and large, this cannot end in one way or another with the invitation of ukraine to the euro alliance . for the real result of what we, er, received as a result of this whole story. we received so-called aid guarantees, and we said that maybe in the future we will be able to really talk about the fact that ukraine will be able to er, become a member of nato, but but most likely this it can only happen after some more serious period of time, but why do we need to fight for that, for inviting

ukraine to nato? maybe the washington council wanted an invitation and security guarantees. i don’t really understand what expected from vilsko right here. to be honest, in ukrainian political circles and among our fellow citizens, well, there is a shield formula that we hear all the time from the united states that a country that is in a state of war cannot be a member of nato, well, this is their position, they are afraid of a nuclear war with the russian federation we cannot force them not to be afraid, we can only convince them that our accession to nato in one way or another cannot lead to a nuclear war, which can change in a year so globally, do you believe that it will change at the front, for example, they will change their position, they give us an invitation to this position, i think they can , regarding the introduction, the invitation is not yet an introduction, but back then they could now give an invitation , obviously i could, and i am not saying that they could not. i

just i believe that this was not considered because there is no unity among the allies, as they say that it is possible for us to achieve such unity in a year, something may change on the front , something in politics may appear, a more flexible formula may appear, which we are already talking about. on the first day, the formula is a guarantee of security for this one the territory on which there are no military operations, this territory may look different before the washington summit than today, we are talking now about the events that will take place in april next year, we need to wait for many events, the first is the end of the ukrainian offensive, no one knows how it will end, what will be its military and political consequences; secondly , to survive the winter, which may be more difficult than the previous one;

she will have enough strength for some further actions, we are always talking about our offensive , the russians are preparing for what. only for defense, or are they also ready to attack if it turns out that they have completely exhausted their resources, that they can only engage in the defense of those occupied territories that they have already entered since 14 for the 22nd year, it is one story if it turns out that they are capable of active offensive actions before the occupation of new ukrainian regions, it is another story ideally, we need russia to exhaust its resources, we need as little of ukraine's territory as possible to find it in the war , we need member countries there not to believe that providing security guarantees of part of our territory will be a factor for nuclear war , we don't need all of this and that's what can happen then some real uh real result is how our president volodymyr zelensky reacted to everything that is happening around

him, mostly even before the summit itself , because he was already going there with a certain disappointment and accusations, or was it too emotional for you in the framework of diplomacy, didn't the president for some reason adjust to the fact that his emotions should be left behind, or were they appropriate ? i think there was a first myth, a certain myth, it no longer exists, i don't know. well, it never existed for me at all, but it existed in society. now we see that he is gone, i don’t know how much he exists now . the president himself and the heads of his office are closer to him. zelenskyi has such a serious influence on the leadership of western countries that he can with his tweets and his speech to change their position and that he can influence western leaders through his authority among their voters. i believe that to

some extent these were illusions that were created here by our own idea of ​​what is happening and which were never there, that is, there was an obvious empathy for ukraine which was primarily connected with what russia did in terms of aggression , atrocities, murders, rape of people , and all these, well, how can i say absolutely wild things that we were, what were these witnesses, and this gives rise to such western empathy society lives by this, by this, by this empathy for other people's goals much more than post-soviet society . i think that ukrainians do not understand this because they themselves remained completely indifferent to other people's grief for decades. well, it must be said honestly, we were never bothered by the war there in the former haslavia on the banks

the people of turbulostan say that they don't bother us anymore, well, now you say that we don't help you much, and that's right. we also try to influence our government and the people who support us in the section. but for ten years, i have been paying attention to the fact that we you know what's happening there right now. well, how are we sitting in bomb shelters? ukrainians don't care, not even because they themselves are in such a state, because they are going to vinnytsia and they are going to get younger after the war. and that's why we can't believe that someone cares about someone else's life because we now live in an indifferent society. and that's why we are also looking for president zelenskyi. why are there employees? they are ordinary average ukrainians and that's why they are looking for a different answer to a completely simple question. they support because we have such a cool president who speaks so well and it's just if you see listen, well, imagine that you see an unhappy family to which some thug comes and beats this family, do you sympathize with this

family when you see that the father of this family comes to you there and complains, you sympathize with him, but it is not because he is such a wonderful person, a candidate of sciences and the author of texts on ancient philosophy, no, he is simply the father of a family that is killed, raped and humiliated, you sympathize with him precisely because of that that he is a victim and not because he talks beautifully about his problems. well, the president deserves respect, of course, i am sure that he is respected by western leaders, but this does not mean that they are ready to compromise on reforms, for example, if we are talking about eurovision, in world politics it is customary to respect colleagues but they definitely do not influence the decision-making that from your point of view concerns your national security , the president himself can also respect someone, but he is not going to make concessions when it comes to the national interests of ukraine, this is logical and

to believe that it is possible to change the very course of politics with some text on social networks, it means not to understand what politics is. and by the way , today the president of lithuania absolutely clearly said in his guitar-like self that there was such a situation when in general this phrase about inviting ukraine could fall out of the final document and it was a direct result of this story . no, it wasn't emotions, it was a calculation, but obviously he is emotional enough and somehow starts his acting, first of all , you can't take that away, despite the fact that he is the president when he plays a role, he calculates how the audience will perceive the situation, when he falls on the stage , he will be in the theater. so, it was a calculation, we got to this place on the plane, they were writing this essay. who

should have written this, not the president, he is already writing it on his twitters, so it is given on emotion, an assignment is given, it is written by text published on behalf of the president we also live in the world, some people write only from texts, you know it as about this former president of russia dmitry medvedev, he says he got drunk and read and wrote a terrible tweet that he is all nuclear weapons, former president medvedev reads his education in telegram how are you and i, after they publish this, the press service of another president, putin, writes. well, in any case , we are talking about the fact that it was a political miscalculation, and i think that from this we just need to draw conclusions for the future, we need to realize the reasons for the support of ukraine by the western world in the war with russia, that these reasons are related to empathy , we need to understand that thanks to our army, there are no such crimes now, and the news was at the forefront of

the war, fortunately, the occupation is felt in those territories of some territory we will face the same testimonies of fear that were , say, in buchachi in izyum, we are getting a new , uh, strong outburst of support, for this we don't even need to speak in any parliament but simply in this situation , you know, i would like it to be better, of course, well, this is what we are talking about. the higher the level of death of ukrainians, the greater the level of empathy. if you , er, drop an atomic bomb on the er, kyiv sea and kyiv will die, then i will you i want to convince you that we will never receive such a level of support, which will be the day after the death of kyiv, but honestly, i would like that there was no such level of support and that kyiv would stand, and it is impossible to achieve such a level of support without victims. well, fortunately, here for happiness away

i just hope that we will not witness such fears. well, it is possible. if this support is legally enshrined somewhere, true support can be legally enshrined at the level of assistance for a certain level of military equipment . above about support that passes through the legal level, ethical support becomes greater, then politicians give more weapons. it depends when german politicians see that their voters support ukraine and support the provision of weapons, they raise the bar in the issue of weapons when they see that their voters believe that we should not participate in none in military er conflicts that we should not provide weapons to belligerent countries and this was perceived by the majority of the population of germany then they provided helmets their electorate it is clear the electorate itself by the way this is the story with ben volis that we were talking about it is just a story about influencing the electorate

help us convince our electorate, and by the way, they agree that there was an emotional response. it was obviously not prescribed. our president answered well, i think. and what should we do? well, let's do it. i don't remember saying thank you literally every morning. well. maybe i think that there was an emotional take, i agree, but this is the same answer outside the documents, it is such an exchange of remarks in public speeches. well, i think there was a misunderstanding. i will say it again, i think that oles said absolutely clear things. not with complaints, but with gratitude, because our citizens are starting to understand little by little why we are all so involved, nothing like this is happening from their point of view, why should we be involved, well, now, less about or less empathy, of course, yes, thank you, stimulate them so that they want to help you to ease our task as politicians because

when you appeal to us with complaints and we tell them to our fellow workers let us help them even more then our compatriots say why is it mine but look what is happening in sudan why are we there we don't help there anymore, the zone of responsibility is our former colony , that's why the language says that it's in africa. himself and for the whole of europe and the democratic world, he has excellent arguments, he actually disorients everyone because such a question arises, if ukraine is fighting for the whole of europe and for the whole of the democratic world, this means that if russia , russian troops pass to the territory of , say, the zakarpattia region, then they will go to e- in poland, i don't know in romania , in the baltic countries, first of all, i find it interesting that if the russian army really wants to go to the baltic countries, why would they

go to uzhhorod, the baltic countries have a direct border with the countries of the soviet union states by russia, belarus, if russia wants to attack poland and there is absolutely no need to reach lviv, it can do it from kaliningrad, or it can cut the isthmus of sovaltsky, and it is absolutely calm to isolate the baltic countries from the rest of the european union , to cut the territory that connects e.e. lithuania and poland - this is a famous story, everyone sees this geographical map and you know how it is simply there in the west there is no such opinion that putin is going to attack them on the wrong question , the question is not about the west, the question is about us if we believe that russia can absolutely calmly venture into a conflict with nato and the only thing that holds it back is the ukrainian territory , it is not clear why. because, as he repeats, russia has a border with countries on maintenance, then why do we want to join nato so much and are offended that we are

not accepted there if it turns out that there is no security there, if all if all security is connected with ukraine , then it should enter into ukraine, and not ukraine with us. simply the defense alliance is the nuclear umbrella of the united states of america and, by the way, france and great britain also have enough potential to fight russia, in principle, russia has more of course, but they have something to protect themselves and destroy the european territory of russia, too, you understand. if we don’t need it nuclear umbrella, we believe that it is ineffective , and only the ukrainian army is effective, and with western weapons. well, let's give it a beautiful model , for example. well, it's great and fight. as much as you can fit, we will give you weapons if we understand

that the end of the war can only happen when russia is afraid to attack us, because it is not us, but the nuclear bloc , let's stop saying that we are protecting the entire civilized world from russia, we are not protecting anyone but ourselves, the western world is helping us out of a sense of justice , it is just that if the russian army could really carry out blitzkriegs ukraine became such a territory of russian influence as belarus, nothing would change for the western world from the word zero , the economic potential of russia would not be much the territories on which it is located have increased, in any case, they are reached by nuclear missiles, oil, and so on and so on, the west somehow existed next to the soviet union after the second world war, and moreover , the sphere of influence of the soviet union then consisted not only in the fact that there were borders ukraine and belarus

, the soviet union's foreign territory, and there was also a sphere of influence with e.e. czechoslovakia , hungary, east germany. gave birth because security is not in this, not in the number of troops located in a certain territory, it is primarily nuclear in the policy of nuclear deterrence, so the sooner we stop telling ourselves and the west this fairy tale, the better it will be for us, we are defenseless until the moment we become a part nato , here is one of my colleagues who wrote this answer on b. on olis to determine non-amazon, we are a field and you are not a training ground, of course we are a training ground, we are a training ground for testing russian weapons, we are a training ground for testing iranian weapons russia has turned us into a real training ground, and until we are provided with real security guarantees

, we can remain such a testing ground for long, dark, dark years in the history of the ukrainian state. russia will try different methods to destroy this state, it will destroy the infrastructure - it is a testing ground , is it possible for due to the shelling of this infrastructure, destroy the opportunity for the population to live in the territory when you destroy power plants when you organize a man-made catastrophe, it was one winter now there will be a next attempt, how many winters will it take so that eventually this territory ceases to be suitable for life training ground training ground of course how far can it be with the help of cheap drones to destroy the air defense system a good topic beautiful training ground training ground to stop being training grounds with the help of the amazon western of course with

the help of joining nato then i think that all these conversations about the fact that we all protect everyone we need to do something in response, they are from our eternal misunderstanding of how the world around us is generally arranged and when we are now we hear from many people that after the war, ukraine will become the center of this world, ukraine will be a poor, destroyed state with an economic, democratic, and social catastrophe, and all this will have to be given, the country must be rebuilt by fools , it will be necessary to help the people who fought, who will be in a state of stress and moral decline after war, it was necessary to treat these people , it was necessary to help those people who lost their loved ones in vinnytsia. put on uh festive costumes run to celebrate it's so harmful it happens like that in soviet films but it doesn't happen like that in life and we

have huge responsibilities to all these people those who sacrificed the lives of their loved ones those who sacrificed their health - that's hundreds of thousands of people plus millions of people who will not return here, vitaliy, that's why they adore you. it's because you're one of the few . tell us the realities that await us to live with them. they need to understand this, because in a year, where are we? of course, you can consider such a country the center of everything civilized world but i didn't try to just understand that we need to make it a normal country, normal for life. no, no, no, i didn't grow after victory day. everyone thinks there will be victory and that's all. because politicians say they will rebuild, but politicians don't live in the destroyed houses of irpeni buchi in kharkiv and mariupol. what is still occupied, no politicians live there , but people live there and i know my neighbors, they have a destroyed house right next to my house in irpen , they rebuilt it for their money and nobody

cares, everyone says we will rebuild it after the victory. now people don't have much money to do, it's also true and no one said that they will appear quickly because now there is more money . you don't need to go anywhere to give it either. i understand that this is a job yes well no their job is to ensure conditions that tax payers' money is used correctly for the next 10 years, the money is not ukrainian taxpayers' money, but the west , because ukrainian taxpayers will have nothing to pay these taxes, and that's why i say that it's our task. why are you talking about it all? stop this entire nightmare because russia is set on a multi-year war. see that everything is fine on its territory, this is joining nato so that they understand that you cannot come to us . that is why it is necessary to fight for it, and i think that when a certain president fights for it, he is doing absolutely right another matter is the methodology , but the approach itself is absolutely correct and we should only support our president when he says that ukraine