[000:00:00;00] there are doctrinal plans here. and if by that time it is impossible to free the remaining 20% ​​in the territory of donbass crimea and donetsk-luhansk, then rather everything is like that . and why should russia agree to this at all? well, russia can agree or disagree, but the process it will roll further. you know, when 25 countries have already helped, 25 countries have signed papers saying that they, ah, mmm, you will be there for ukraine to be invited , it will not be opened. excerpt i will not go to the meeting well, you know, for lunch , that will be the key moment, this will be his last opportunity, uh, whether he will stay for the second term, whether he will leave, but leave beautifully , how much do you think the president himself will be ready for something to risk what is constantly called escalation in washington or not yet escalated

a-a well, this is not yet a escalation, it is because legal decisions do not automatically lead to transformations into immediate war. i don't think so, but to some degree there is no way to avoid it, so washington is now calculating options and preparing for exactly this course of events. so , in principle, do you think that this is what is happening now with all russian sentiments ? the same vilnyuskom themselves with the same euro-atlantic integration ukraine, how much is the russian opposition at all ready to accept ukraine as part of nato let's say that russia is easy to accept it in nato

therefore, there are no reflexes about the russian position . no, i don’t think that the russian position is a player in the process. in principle, the opposition is morally absolutely ready to support ukraine's membership in nato and why a-a why support yes why do you understand yes why do you support why should it be found and perceived in society in any, if you want, how eh normal development, the event is so sincere that its russian society can oppose putin, but it’s still an aggressive bloc, no , no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. russian society will be divided again . it will not accept anything at all, but it is not subjective . absolutely in sternizirovannye and just because it is very much in favor of nato and because of the fact that ukraine will appear there before russia russia can very much someday it will not

appear there not completely not in whole or in part this does not cancel one another, as you think, in principle, if you imagine the realism of this forecast by washington, nato itself in the kremlin will understand that then the negotiation process of the hunter for someone 's settlement of the conflict is inevitable. or will it all try to fight though would be on the territory that will remain for the war, and i think that during that time, while the issue will be resolved, they will finish, but a lot will happen, and here already, any option is possible. american administration the authorities will end the war in ukraine, as this is already the second question, so you may not reach a solution to a direct conflict, or what problems will serve for this, ukraine’s membership in nato, and the ukrainian leadership to be ready for such options when part of the territory under

guarantees is cleared, is there a war there without guarantees well, i think that if there is no second exit, then it is quite possible. i would not include it. thank you . thank you. thank you. we will return the conversation to the air literally in 5 minutes, so don't switch, there are discounts on nude on express 10% in pharmacies podorozhnyk vam and oschad pain can become an obstacle not with mine reduces swelling and improves joint mobility you can also walk dolgit the only yellow cream for pain in

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interviews reports from the hottest spots of the freedom front frankly and impartially draw conclusions yourself the big broadcast of vasyl zima my name is vasyl zima two hours of air time two hours of your time we will talk about the most important things for two hours to learn about the war serhiy zhoretska joins our broadcast military summaries of the day and what is the world like what is there in the world yuriy fizer will talk for two hours to keep abreast of economic news, oleksandr morshchyntsi protested he tells us about the economy during the war and new sports yevhen pastukhov is ready to speak lina is ready to talk about sports for two hours in the company of her favorite presenters, about culture during the war, or other presenters who have become familiar to many, maybe the weather will give us some optimism, mrs. natalka didenko is ready to tell us, and we will also have distinguished guests of the studio today, volodymyr grishko,

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of the nuclear strategy, new defense plans, as well as potential investments in defense, the sector, as well as the location of troops, their transfer, combat readiness on the eastern flank is nato, that is, it a very important moment for general security in ukraine, and the question was that there should be a clear promise that ukraine would become a member of the atom as soon as possible, we do not know when it will happen , but i do not know whether he actually believes that it was not possible to extend an invitation to ukraine during the summit, because when he ukraine is at war, nato members are not ready to enter a state of war with russia, but it was very important to define certain steps for the future and emphasize that ukraine is already ready to join the alliance, that is, it will be a valuable member of the alliance. do you understand that ukrainian society naturally wanted

much more from this summit, and we know that there was a certain disappointment , and on the day itself, the ukrainian authorities and the president, and after that many representatives of ukrainian expert opinion . of course, you can understand the president and the people of the country, because ukraine now he is fighting every day to defend freedom and defend europe and it seems that in the west they do not fully understand what is happening, unfortunately, it inspires a certain disappointment for the president and for all ukrainians. there is no clear understanding in which the situation they are in now, but i would like to note a positive point that 30 of the 32 members of the alliance expressed their unquestionable support for ukraine to become a member of nato, the usa and

germany are still holding out, they are important players. but i hope that their position will change in the future, and indeed until the next there will already be a summit in washington. there is unanimous support . what are the reasons to believe that this is the case in washington? it can really happen. e.p. walker, this is a good question. nato always talks about conditions and reasons, and the president biding stated that ukraine is not ready yet. but if we look at it soberly, then ukraine is already ready to become a member of nato, because it currently has one of the most powerful military and power in europe with enormous military experience. ukraine is now defending and fighting precisely for the values ​​shared by the entire democratic

the west and ukraine has already done everything, it is already there, it is ready to join the alliance after passing such a hot vyshkiv in comparison with what state it was in 10 years ago, and therefore i really hope that in the future the country will only become more stronger, well, there are two questions that are constantly being asked by ukraine when it comes to full-fledged nato membership, so we can sort them out. the first question is that ukraine should become a member of nato only after the end of the war. and what is the end of the war ? diplomatic definitions, an excellent question. i don't believe that we should talk like that, when we talk about the end of the war, it means that now putin has another style to continue the war. we

need to use nato to build the security situation in europe so that putin does not have the opportunity and incentive to continue this war, because he must feel that everything that his actions will lead to is the weakening of russia. will be practical, but now nato members do not want to use their armed forces to fight against russia, but we must make it clear that we will do everything that ukraine needs, arming, training their soldiers in order to defeat russia and really bring the end of this war closer and there is no doubt that it will happen, what kind of message can be given to the kremlin so that they understand that they will probably have to stop this at some point

? in ukraine they say that you still need to change a lot in your own country in order to become full members of the democratic institutions and the people of ukraine will not allow anything else to happen except their attitudes towards membership in nato ukraine is now in a state of war, no one wants a state of war, this is such a necessity in order to mobilize society and keep it safe and do everything for ukraine to win the war as soon as possible, and therefore we hope that in the near future the war will stop there will be elections again , there will be a strengthening of democratic institutions in ukraine, and there is no doubt about that, that is why when we talk about some question mark, this is a mistake, the time

of the question will come in time, and really everything depends on how seriously will it unfold? how seriously do you take the idea that has recently been expressed by respected western politicians , such as mr. mykhailo rot, the head of the bundestag's foreign policy committee, that security guarantees can only cover the territory of ukraine that will be controlled by the legitimate ukrainian government on the moment of the accession of donat and if ukraine does not control some part of its territory, this territory may not be covered by the fifth article of the statute date how is this in general can it be realistic happen and is it possible? yes, there is such a possibility that it can happen if we think about it from so, western west germany became a member

of nato when the eastern part of germany was still under the soviet union. that is, it happened gradually, so that is why such a scenario is possible, but i would not start and talk about it at least today from such a perspective , today ukraine must fight to win back its lands, and then it can become a full member of nato, so this is our priority for today, of course it is likely that at a certain moment ukraine itself may decide that it needs to stop at some stage, when it already succeeds in recapturing a certain territory, not to surrender in the further recapture, but during this stop, it will actually shift its own security and nato can really use article five

to which will not spread to the territory of kyiv , which will spread even to the conquered territories, and therefore this process will be able to maintain peace, well, the reintegration of these territories, therefore, a similar message could be applied to georgia, because now there are 20% occupied russia, but there are no active hostilities, therefore, considering the possibility of a scenario, unfortunately, now is not the time. i want to return to this idea about the end of the war, not even from the point of view of joining nato, but simply from the point of view of diplomacy, when you can say that the war is over, when it will be released the entire internationally recognized territory of ukraine when hostilities on one or another contact line cease and a conditional armistice is reached when a political peace agreement is signed

between ukraine and the russian federation that we should be considered a state of peace from an international point of view, of course also in your question. you have already outlined different scenarios and different possibilities . i think that any scenario is possible . so we are talking now about a situation where vladimir putin is now determined to fight until he gets what wants and does not keep ukrainian territory is not acceptable for ukraine and for the whole world, such a scenario ukraine is set and it must take its territories, of course something else can happen to it, for example, a military defeat of the armed forces

of russia, especially a certain isolation of the forces that are currently in crimea and there will be no logistics and supplies, and russia will resort to tactical withdrawal of troops, we can also talk about political pressure in moscow on putin's entire kremlin entourage. we can also talk about the development of events in particular referring to the recent prigozhina rebellion, there may be another coup within russia, that is, of course, russia may also express its intention to suspend the conflict and then there will be a ceasefire for a certain period but we cannot call it the end of the war but after all, only the period when hostilities will be suspended, because we saw what happened in the period from 2014-2021, if we look at the korean experience, then north and south korea were divided , there was no announcement of a cessation of hostilities, and we saw how south korea

has developed, that is, there are different scenarios that can be possible . unfortunately, we do not know what will happen, only time will tell, but we must do the same, namely , focus on supporting ukraine so that they can win back their territories repel the occupier and also convince russia that they will not win this war. how significantly can changes in american policy affect the strategy of supporting ukraine ? these expressions, we see that president trump is hoping for some kind of agreement with president putin, is it dangerous or is it just pre-election rhetoric for now, just the pre-election

territory of rhetoric, trump is trying to to put himself in such a situation that the electorate would see a different point of view in him, and that is why the majority of democrats in the white house in the congress , after all, they confirm that we must continue to support ukraine, well , support ukraine and that is why now somehow he wants to distinguish himself in a second way. i do not believe that any negotiations between the usa and putin can be possible without the involvement of ukraine, because ukraine will not accept any instructions from other countries that would tell them what to do . another fear is that trump may have aims to stop military aid to ukraine and thus force it to negotiate

, but i hope that this will not happen. after all, it will not bring anything positive for his political career. therefore, the time between today and the next inauguration of the future president of the united states in january 25 there really is a lot more uh than we compare to the time when the full scale invasion started a lot has changed since february the 22nd and i'm sure a lot more will change between today and january the 25th during that time will be a lot of time and even for trump to review his vision and his strategy, i also want to say that there are several other presidents or candidates from the democrats and republicans , the majority of whom really deeply support ukraine and you can see, for example, from the words of the vice president who visited kyiv a few weeks ago, i also

spoke with several candidates and they really support further support for ukraine and therefore it is not worth focusing on such data, such words of trump, in general, how important do you think the ukrainian topic is for of the american election campaign, because we know that your compatriots always prioritize the economic development of their own country, the prospects for political and economic changes in the united states, and not foreign policy priority at all. so, if we say that a republican wants to become president, then you have to agree that we really need to give more support to america to the american miss there homeless and also fight against illegal migration so these are the priorities that need to be taken into account

, but they are not the only priorities of the national security, the security of our partners, allies in the world is also important, and all this has worsened in recent years, because everything needs to be focused on, and this is important, it is important to tell the electorate, if you return to the vilnius summit, you know that his guests were the leaders of the countries of the pacific region and the expected decision on the creation of the nato mission in tokyo did not take place, as they believe , this connection with the negative reaction of france and possibly not only as far as we can talk today about euro-atlantic unity when it comes to it's not about russia, it's about china, when we look at nato as a single integrity, there really is a very high level of unity and cohesion in recent years, and it was putin who helped to create

and build this unity, we understand that indeed china now poses such a long-term threat to europe, but when we talk about china, there are different approaches on the part of our allies, and i do not believe that nato will somehow be militarily involved in asian conflicts, many consultations were held, we actually discussed our a common perspective regarding the threat that will be with china and our decisions on how to deal with it are being decided now. in principle, to what extent are you afraid that some conflicts in the african region, in particular, the conflict around taiwan, of course, are always risks to the russian-ukrainian conflict and china has expressed its intention to actually join the prospects of china and taiwan to

mainland china, and therefore when we talk about the fact that there really could be such a potential conflict, but there is also a certain connection between ukraine and the lesson that china should learn from of the ukrainian-russian conflict is that russia made a gross mistake by entering the territory of ukraine and this weakened russia and strengthened ukraine and the collective action, and therefore now there are more chances that ukraine will become a member of nato and a member of the european union, his actions actually undermined russian goals, so i think that china is good learned this lesson so they want to annex china to themselves but they understand that any action is any it can be a reaction can the united states deutin come to your opinion to some kind of agreement in the morning, let's talk about the nuclear program early, which would allow us to weaken

the support that iran provides today to the russian federation, because in fact this support is quite serious , it is indicated by the actions of russia on the ukrainian front, you are right, because the relations between iran and russia are very strong and strengthened, so iran delivers kamikaze drone kamikaze that russia uses every day on the territory of ukraine and that's why i think that irene doesn't want to , they want to, they decided to support their nuclear program, they also use negotiations in order to avoid sanctions, but they will not actually give up their nuclear strategy and nuclear arsenal, so i think that it would be better for ukraine and for the usa to somehow change iran, their

people are also already fed up with their regime brutality, the leveling of human rights at their own cost, and there was a situation that led to an unexpected conflict between ukraine and its allies, in particular after the well-known public message of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, about how serious such discussions can be regarding public statements and how do you do you think that such emotional reactions from both sides were really appropriate? it is really wonderful that such a controversy took place . after all, people in the west need to hear and understand what is happening in ukraine, and that is why president zelenskyi acted absolutely correctly when he expressed his concerns, and i think that indeed he expressed

his concerns very well not only on twitter but also during his physical presence and his speeches and so i hope that he tried to hear the perspective of his visages during the end back during the conclusion of the summit was already the first definite consensus of a certain common denominator was reached, it was already clear what the future would be because washington, when you look at your own diplomatic experience in the conflict between ukraine and russia, you see that there was a moment when russia really wanted to reach some kind of diplomatic solution or diplomacy was exclusively as a cover for a future attack , they never seriously counted on negotiations , putin always had hopes and ambitions

to fight and conquer ukraine, and that is why he came out of the shadows almost two years ago, but he long ago nurtured these imperial ambitions. he denied the presence of russians in the conflict during the annexation of crimea and the like, but he controlled all these hostilities, you can see it, i can see it, but in fact he had such a certain temptation to negotiate and certain leaders of the west countries also wanted to tempt ukraine to this in order to push ukraine to such negotiations. but i believe that putin will never be ready for negotiations unless the russian armed forces are defeated. and then why do they keep saying that after the ukrainian offensive can create conditions for negotiations, we hear this from many western politicians, so the condition is for