[000:00:00;00] the tool that cannot interfere with your free breathing, i sincerely thank you for being with me on this broadcast, continue to watch espresso, good luck, it was vitalik , good luck, friends. welcome to the espresso channel. we used to say that we need a technological advantage over the enemy. on the battlefield , because technology really compensates or even outweighs the amount that the enemy has. enemy force in the trenches and in the attack, and the own infantry at this time is safe and ready for further hostilities, such asymmetric approaches are also in other directions

, but this advantage is possible when the new solutions are used in the troops as a single exception, and systematically then really on on the battlefield, there will be qualitative changes in our favor, but this is where our reality does not look optimistic, because there are powerful, interesting technologies, asymmetric solutions to the actions of the enemy . however, they are in focus rather, our developers and not exactly the armed forces. therefore, the war is our technologies for victory and the labyrinths of the bortocracy that we have to get rid of. we will talk about this in our wine program with the heads of two ukrainian companies that have developed samples that are already fighting but have not yet been adopted. although we like it military, my name is serhii zgorets, i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channels , strives to cover the most relevant trends

in the field of security and defense, and before ask our first interlocutor to make such a preamble in the 14th year, a small it group of professionals developed a system of intelligence and coordination of actions on the battlefield called kombat, then at the beginning of the war , the kombat system was used by our special operations forces, units of the sso from other law enforcement agencies, this system allowed tactical units to carry out their missions quickly with minimal risks with the help of the combat team also monitored the demarcation line with cameras in the ato zone in the interests of the general staff of the national defense security council and on this system until the last, the defense of mariupol took place already during the new active phase in the russian federation, now there is already a new version of this system and it seems that everything is fine, but it always is, but

even now it remains for us yevhen maksymenko , the head of the kombat vision project, mr. yevhen , welcomes you, i am glad to see and hear you, i congratulate you i also welcome the audience, i would like to start with a general question about when we talk about modern technological solutions for the armed forces in the management system of the tactical level, maybe it does not look tempting to the audience there but they still have to understand that the efficiency of the units is not high with ineffective management systems . so, what does this tell you? is there any such dynamic in the ukrainian army since the 14th year, when combat first appeared, and the situation at the current stage? i would like to your permission to first write to the audience what is the tactical level in general, and what automation gives

or what automation improves at the tactical level, and then i will tell you how the dynamics are happening in this direction, that is, the tactical level in its own way, it is a level from a soldier to a battalion at most, and modern technological solutions at this level should be understood as the ability to plan the course of a certain operation in advance and then during its execution to have coordination between all actors in real time, namely , for example, to know where they are neighboring units and to avoid friendly fire and quickly choose the groups closest to the enemy eh response to threats to know what the current task for eh groups of your neighbors eh and know not only where they are a when they will approximately arrive at certain planned places in order to enter the battle synchronously to avoid the concentration of fire on one of your groups, well, and of course , the situation is quickly upon us. objective changes in desiccation of the enemy and instant decision-making in order, as you said

, to have an advantage over numerically superior bodies. one such technological possibility provided by modern technologies . you have probably seen it sometimes in various videos of special units. it is an opportunity not only to adjust artillery a and e , to coordinate the actions of your own units. from the air through the prism of augmented reality from drones, this is especially useful for commanders of armored vehicles, who are absolutely from the corners in their field of vision inside the equipment, as well as , for example, for air defense, which are very difficult to see in the sky, uh, small drones, and all these solutions are achieved by combining a certain software product with infrastructure communication with various sensors, drones, cameras, rangefinders into a single complex system of the tactical level and to your regarding to your question e-e that with the appearance of stalink e and due to intensive activity volunteers to saturate the army with tablets all these years, as of now, it can be stated that we have finally switched to

paper maps in most cases, from paper maps to electronic exchange of targets and the surrounding environment , but it does not work on the entire tactical segment of the front. that is, it is limited to the possibilities of using sterling e -e stalin, it is usually either stationary positions or some large equipment in a calm environment eh al- but if we talk about a fighter in a gray zone or even a motorized infantry unit in russia, then it is not possible. well, it does not have opportunities to use talink and currently we only have certain play-naps with the opportunity to look at the general situation before the start of the battle to exchange it e or being in certain trenches in stationary positions e-e m-m to give certain targets that you see e-e to defeat in artillery, but it does not give you the dynamics of real-time data exchange, that is, in my understanding, the technological advantage

is not only that you have a map and an understanding of the battlefield as of 15 minutes or half an hour ago, but this is an opportunity to make a decision and to see the situation is relevant and, moreover, the question remains as to how it will all work. when we start to take place in crimea where stalink is currently not working in principle and most of the systems are questionable in such a case, that is, in fact, we are talking about what kombat is just such a solution that allows you to ensure combat operations in russia by the forces of the special operations forces separately and from stationary positions, not to be tied to the starlink, and at the same time to have an effective exchange of data between all participants of this group, if they have devices that are created in the combat vision format, that's right. so, for all these 11 years, we

have been concentrating on the direction of real-time coordination of units in dynamo using standard radio communication due to the absence of any infrastructure network for data transmission, and therefore output patches on the internet, we were just lucky with the page, i can't even imagine what would have happened during the war if we didn't have this means of communication at the moment, but this technology that we are doing it is of little use to the general infantry, which usually keeps certain stationary positions, and we now have a stalinka in every cop, roughly speaking, but it is very suitable for the tasks of groups of these special operations forces or cheap in raid papillas, and when we talk about staff communication, you mean staff communication, real military communication a connection that is well protected, uh, broadband, with pprchit, or motorola, which , in principle, can also be considered standard communication, and i'm sorry, i'm just used to calling regular radio communication, namely, military communication, that is, my opinion is as follows that uh,

motorola as they say they were compromising to the options at the beginning of the war, when there was nothing, they were better than analogues of radio stations, but this is a technology of the 90s that was not designed in principle for military use and it is more there for the coordination of some guards of some objects or there is the coordination of the airport and it does not allow you to implement real-time multilateral exchange of everyone with everyone in real time and by standard means of communication i mean military means of communication such as well let's assume charis then me systems type tvr silvis and what others they allow you not only simplex voice to deploy on the battlefield but also other services then of course the question arises 11 years you have been making the product there are several versions these products have been tested in the format of combat operations reviews

of special operations forces of other structures are absolutely positive let the question be how to proceed further in the product, how to implement it, is it in service, what hinders this, and is there any economic benefit in cooperation with the ministry of defense when you create such a technological product, what should the company actually earn from it in order to make it difficult to service the product and so on, this is how this unit of work of your company looks like. at the beginning of this process, the main problem was outdated legislation and the impossibility of legally formalizing the use of the product according to our current norms in the 70s according to legislation on encryption, on other various issues, now this process is moving more or less, but there are still problems of technical implementation, which i called

, that is, the absence or insufficient number of e-e means of communication plus e-e the second technical the problem is that the main mass drone that we use is a civilian drone that has a monitoring system for the user in civilian mode and so on. and we are not systematically moving towards the creation of our own drone with phased eight-point or four-channel separation antennas that was able to work in the rap compression mode and all these technical problems, they really narrow the scope of application of the products to the level of an offline map with markers with the possibility of point-to-point exchange

motorola once per minute with one mark, if we talk about the technical component, if we talk about the uh, uh, if we talk about the legal service of the zno, then in the u.s. army there is still no strategic vision for the use of such systems and there is no such demand or as if commercial it is not clear to the market what the customer wants, and all the systems that exist now on the market simply improvise on their experience and impose some of their capabilities on the users , while the financing model for the existence of these projects mostly consists of some volunteer meetings in the display of some cool achievements and the like, and uh, a clear order, apart from a few past corruption scandals, there are

no government and manufacturers of similar solutions in order to avoid duplicating the implementation of the same functionality, now the developers are running towards the implementation of the functionality that is hyped, that is used and duplicated, and the same type of projects appear. i just don't want to name these projects, but a lot of projects are moving in the same direction, this is not caused by the fact that people there are useful or want to do something. well, this was caused by the fact that no one sets. it does not give certain companies a certain direction and does not say everything. -treting and here's an order for you, work in this direction, if such conditions existed, then the developers would not try to compete with each other, because there are not so many developers on the market, as in principle the problem can be solved if you systematize this process well, as i understand it, in fact there is a product that has already been developed

, some of our teams use the previous version of this product, they are satisfied, but it is technologically more complex than the versions that exist there, in particular, on the same nettle, which in principle is a static product, as i understand it from the point of view from the point of view of use, such a dynamic combat product is needed by special operations forces and on the offensive brigades, and so far there is no national product , and you say that the ministry of defense does not understand, but it must understand what i say is that if we advance, we need to increase efficiency, implement digital methods that we needed there today, tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow, and then we come to the concept that we need to create such an information field so that the military and industry and experts, well, raise this topic in principle accompanied to its result , which will first of all satisfy the armed forces , that is, as you understand, it is necessary to add such expert, professional, dynamics of discussion of this issue, they seem to

understand it and are even interested, as they say from moves in this direction, many departments have now begun to realize that they have it officers and have begun to accumulate them in certain separate units, but the problem with such a movement is that they first accumulate them in order to first accumulate people and then understand what they will be will be done and not for any specific projects, and secondly, those who already have worked out solutions, and who are not state producers, it is not clear how to interact with such units, that is, on the one hand, the state does not order anything and is not ready to buy from on the other hand she has pool some human resources and accumulated mobilized it-specialists, but it is legally impossible to cooperate with him because , according to our legislation, a civil servant is not only unable to fulfill some tasks in a commercial project, he

cannot even be involved in some joint states on private projects because the plane of this public-private partnership exists only in the fake form of a certain law that is not valid, that is, in fact. as i understand it, your company has developed a product, this product can be used but now there are no interaction mechanisms, i.e. or you have to make an order, in order to make an order, you have to pass a test in accordance with the requirements to be written by the ministry of defense. the ministry of defense does not want to write the requirements for this complex product and you do not know where to go. that i will break not only this , the key point is that to write a product - this is only, roughly speaking, 10-20% of the entire problem, precisely at the narcotic level, the main problem is in its further implementation in order to

to implement this product in a large number of brigades and the like, it is necessary to have a large number of people who will travel on these brigades and the like, and it would be logical to involve, for example, the same military it units so that they are engaged in such promotion, but they are legally do not have the right to do this if this project is not an internal state project, that is, the only way now is to interact with the ministry of defense, if you have a product, it is simply to give it to us for free for the use of the ministry of defense and sensitively do not mobilize internally and to develop it from the inside, that is, this is what i mean from the real legal ways, there are only such ways, any option to show that you have a product that meets the requirements and for the ministry of defense to create a team for the implementation of such a product, they focus on the question why exactly this of the product well, there is no reason for the product to choose other products , there are no tenders or orders , well, that is, there is no plane to determine why

the military should introduce certain products and not others, well, that is we need some kind of solution that stands a bit higher than the initiatives of the ministry of defense, as in particular there may be a ministry of digital transformation, but here it is, something happened above the ministry, but on the other hand, when we look at the work of american units , we know that there will be a system. yes, that is in fact, the devices that are in every combat vehicle and even these systems are transferred even from bradley to our armed forces , does it not mean that our military is simply waiting for these systems to become more and more in the transferred equipment? the quantitative indicator can then just form the requirement that ok we are moving to the american system and we don't need national developers eh i don't think i communicate with all well with the majority of these users and there are several problems with this approach one of the main

problems is that to until now, the distribution and registration of users is controlled by representatives of the foreign army. that is, it is not a very good option when you are in the trenches . is um functional and has a lot of implementations of applied functionality, it is extremely difficult for the threshold of the average input of our user. that is, this tool is excluded, well, in most cases, it is also for special operations forces for certain layers of users. this is one of the problems of such communicated, for example, even with the special forces of the villages of special operations, who have probably been using the system since the 18th year, and this was one of the reasons why we stopped

implementing our previous generation, they still have not completely learned how to use it, it is very complicated, that is, your decision, if er, to carry out a er competition between your development and the american system. and you are convinced that a ukrainian user would make a plus or a bet on your system if you compare, roughly speaking, the systems by the amount of functionality the american system clearly won because it was developed first and developed by an entire american institute, then it is now supported by many enthusiasts from various european countries, but if we talk about the performance of certain specific tasks, for example, there is the task is bluffer standing, you just see where the neighboring tanks are and what they are doing. in our system, it is much easier for the user to understand than in the similar system of this american one. therefore, looking at what the comparison criteria will be, mr. yevgeny, i think that we are still on this topic with you

we will return in our next programs from the point of view of the digital e-e army and increasing the efficiency of our units on the battlefield. and now i have to stop our conversation to thank you for joining the broadcast and remind our viewers that we had the effect of the press evgeny maksimenko, head of the kombat vision project. this program adds strength to our military on the boyko field, especially when we talk about special operations forces, and later in our program there will be another thing that we mention less. connection because there is one of the examples when one of our tanks went out to perform a combat mission under a pincer but could not perform this work because this connection disappeared for

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military program and now join us oleksiy oliynyk, a representative of chimera, a ukrainian company that has developed and supplies the armed forces with technological products that are already used by our military and purchased by volunteers for our soldiers, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. good day . i will start by saying that i wanted to ask you about the situation that i announced before where with an informational pause where he told the story that our tank left for a combat mission but was unable to complete it because its communication system was suppressed by enemy fish, the tank did not actually use it radio station khairis, he used a different e-e communication system and i would like to ask you why such a situation could happen , how much is it typical for our units

on the battlefield, russian rap is actually quite serious, maybe even the most serious in the world now or one from the most serious ones, they poured a lot of money into them for a long time, it works great and in fact , there are a lot of stations that are working now with the activity of radio intelligence. she sees these sanctions on the air. she works to catch as much as possible the range of which these sanctions work and if necessary then when exactly not all the time but at a certain moment you can turn on the suppression system of this communication and so if you don't see any activity if they see uh some active combat actions in them too before that, they already scanned the bands, frequency channels on which our communication works , they can turn them off. well, very quickly there, in seconds, i think, in fact, even the communication that is now on the front, it most likely

works very often, in fact, because its they allow it to work , they do not arise, but at that moment , they clearly saw the activity and turned it off . what did your company do, what does it offer to the armed forces, and what is the special feature of your technological product, which is called the chimera brand ? and actually, as i understand it, it is also a communication system, but with certain features. so, what did you do most of all? well, our system communication, it is not exactly intended for such situations, it is not intended for active offensive actions and so on, it is rather for inconspicuous communication during some operations, that is, our system is now

more oriented to communication that is not seen by radio intelligence it is very difficult to see him on the air, so it is very difficult to see him, but his main task is to be more invisible, we use such frequencies and technologies that make it very difficult to detect him on the air there for 5 km for 10 km it is very difficult most likely and uh i think so well although our system could help this baku we simply work below the level of noise we work below the level of radars uh at such a level that our communication is maintained if you use a very powerful station, it's a great thing . but you can be seen very far on the air , if you use a not very powerful connection, you simply won't be able to see it. just no one

in other words, you actually made such portable radio stations of the tactical level that should be used by units so that this communication was invisible and was such that his enemy could not suppress the rap with his own means, and it is very difficult to find it on the air and it is very difficult to ignite it - which of our radio stations because they shoot at frequencies and due to the fact that they jump large frequency fields , it is very, very difficult to see them, it is possible to worsen the connection, but there at all to see it, well, i i cannot say that it is impossible at all, but it is very, very difficult for this, and your company is , say, a volunteer initiative company that created this system and now it is purchased by the main volunteers and individual military personnel for their units . that is, it is a system that the armed forces, that is it is not systematically used, but