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try to predict how they will affect our next weeks, our guests today are matthew bryza and andriy biankovsky, our first guest, ex-adviser of the united states secretary of state , former director of european and eurasian affairs in the case of us national security, matthew bryza , greetings dear mr. ambassadors in the studio the key story of the espressov tv channel is the consequences of the great summit in vilnius, so we would like to ask you why president joseph biden still did not dare to push through the so-called very clear pro-ukrainian order denis, in particular, it is about the direct membership of ukraine in nato, please decipher this extremely important strategic discussion strategic its consequences, in particular, not only for ukraine, but for the security of the entire central and certainly not only central europe, the strategic consequences are large and positive both for ukraine and for nato on

at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine in february 2022, such a result could only be dreamed of, remember how friends and future allies of ukraine hesitated to provide any significant military assistance today we have a promise j7 to continue providing significant military assistance and a clear commitment of the united alliance to support ukraine until it defeats russia, but considering this and the fact that i was present at the bucharest summit in april 2008, i was disappointed by the position of president biden and olaf scholz whose predecessor, angela merkel, blocked the membership action plan for ukraine and georgia. in bucharest, there are now reports that it was the usa and germany that did not agree to cooperate with other allies regarding wording that would emphasize that ukraine will receive an invitation as soon as

the war is over. a strategic mistake and , unfortunately, the experience of the bucharest summit did not help us to avoid it, we understand that putin did not start a local war for nothing, putin started an almost existential war from which the existence of ukraine will depend on it, the borders of the western world in the east will depend on it, and so on and so on . well, in your opinion, how hard will president joseph biden be willing to play ? the fifth article currently we get analogues, in particular it is about the security guarantee , but security guarantees are not the same as the fifth article, first of all, uncertainty is always decisive in cases where it is

about security guarantees that do not meet the fifth article is difficult to predict and baide will never tell us when the usa will resort to force in the case of ukraine, because it is already in a state of severe war, baide is set on a strategic one, but he is restraining himself for fear that putin will provoke the third world war or that he may declare that russia is at war with nato, but putin is already doing it. he threatens nuclear weapons and we feel his bluff. he once again tells everyone that russia is not at war with ukraine, but with the entire alliance, so i really don’t know what president biden is afraid of. there is a certain emotional fear of his involvement in a nuclear conflict, national security adviser jake sullivan encourages president biden to move in the right direction, but on this so far, all the military support that the usa has provided to ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the usa, together with great britain , led the alliance, the problem is that what is self-restraint or the fear of provoking a direct

conflict with russia led to the fact that a large part of this essential aid arrived in ukraine too late if all of it had been provided from the very beginning, ukraine would have been in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today, and therefore pressuring ukraine to start its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine. i don't want to be ungrateful like that in general, we in ukraine pay tribute to our western friends, our western partners, if it were not for their timely help, most people would have been killed, we understand that it would be great as sodus would be a coffee debacle, many would be shot, someone would be demonstratively executed or hanged, but we received help and at the same time we are also aware that this help may not be enough, at the same time we understand that in

order to strategically decide the course of the company, we need aviation, the same f-16s in order to to destroy enemy logistics centers. we need etecams systems, our commander-in-chief of the main command of the armed forces of ukraine, general zaluzhny, speaks very clearly about this, in particular, in those interviews that appeared in the west we understand that the pentagon and the white house understand what general zaluzhny spoke about, as i already mentioned, it is really foolish and imprudent for us in the united states and nato to put pressure on ukraine or make certain judgments about the speed of its counteroffensive in order to be able to justify further military support , especially when we are not ready to provide f-16 fighters to provide the air shield that is so necessary for a successful offensive or counter-offensive. therefore, when it comes to military planning, we take steps that are not entirely

rational in relation to attacks. of course, they are extremely necessary to increase the range of artillery strikes. we remember how even before the usa provided heimers, russian artillery simply destroyed ukrainian cities. and how after the first days of their work, russia was forced to stop its harsh tactics of war crimes, so we cannot do without attacks . if we want to have the opportunity to hit russian high-target targets that threaten ukraine, answering your question why haven't they been delivered to me yet, again, i think it's about self-shooting, the administration biden is afraid that if f16 is given, russia will declare that it is at war with nato and will dare to escalate, because russia has done nothing when crossing the west and its red lines regarding military support for ukraine in relation to the attacks, the fear is that a greater range of action may allow ukraine to hit targets on the territory of russia in order to potentially lead to the expansion

of the geography of the war, this is an argument that is false because, firstly, ukraine has promised not to do this, and secondly, because ukraine is already inflicting strikes on the territory that russia illegally considers to be russian, either on the 4 temporarily annexed regions or on crimea, that is why the arguments that the biden administration uses to convince itself why it is not necessary to increase military aid are counterproductive and simply do not make any sense, returning to the previous question, i understand why nato is not ready to invite ukraine to join the alliance as soon as the war is over, because this could give putin a reason to continue the war as long as possible, but he has already decided to do it anyway, so this ar is also only by diverting the maneuver we should have given ukraine more clarity about when it will be invited to nato and we definitely should have provided f16 and attacks long before ukraine started its counteroffensive

biden's courage will be enough biden understands putin's calculations very well despises him calls him a war criminal after all as he is, biden led an alliance that crossed every one of putin's red lines , in particular, when putin threatened nuclear weapons everywhere in biden's opinion. trying to maintain the integrity of nato. he knows that germany does not really want to go as far as he would like, while poland or the baltic states are ready to go much further in accelerating ukraine's accession to nato and providing them with the necessary weapons. he knows that putin plans to buy as much time as possible in hopes that nato will give a crack because biden is trying to secure the alliance even if his steps seem to me here in istanbul to be quite

restrained dear matthew i know that you know how the russians work in particular about certain points of negotiation. and actually, i would like to ask you now about certain dynamics, in particular, it is about what putin came up with at the beginning of the war, what proposals he made and what his current proposals are, how much putin's appetites have changed or decreased, on the other hand, we understand in we in ukraine have a very clear transparent position we demand our lands back we demand compensation for our losses putin's goals have changed from his truly insane desire to capture kyiv in just a few days and essentially destroy the ukrainian nation before to simply hold on and prevent the destruction of its military on the battlefield until the united states and its nato allies, as well as other friends around the world , do not tire of helping ukraine , putin's goals are just as criminal as you can

imagine, this is no longer a genocidal desire to destroy the ukrainian nation now they are aimed at his personal survival , the mutiny of prigozhina hit him hard and destroyed the morale of the russian military. the ukrainians and their western friends who supply powerful weapons and here you see, say, in bakhmut, a group of your former comrades doing the most extreme thing that you, as a soldier , could in principle imagine, it is about treason, about an attempt to overthrow the government, but putin turns a blind eye to it, they are now allowed to run wild at large, can something even more deeply undermine the morale of the russian armed forces, there are many people around putin who clearly want him to leave, and therefore i think that now

his goal is simply to survive what we clearly what we don't appreciate enough in the country's fight against russia is how much it has done for us militarily. timothy, a brilliant financial and strategic analyst , made a comment a few days ago during a meeting i attended. he said the united states invested $50 billion in military support for ukraine, but ukrainian soldiers destroyed much more russian equipment and worsened the military potential of russia, which is several times more than the 50 billion dollars that the usa provided to ukraine. so, based on purely from an economic point of view, the investments of the united states in the ukrainian army were deeply in the interests of the united states , and in our interests, of course, for ukraine not only to survive, but also to win this war, since it became a member of nato, we understand that we are in a state of war, in fact , a beastly war, extremely difficult, and the west is somehow trying not to get involved in the second one, because

we also see certain trends, there is a feeling that russia, in a strategic plan, can no longer offer anything in order to achieve this or that victory. it can only delay history feels the war here as well. how long can they prolong the war? because putin is pretending to be ready to wage an ice age war against ukraine, against the west, and so on . of course, the issue of resources. well, we understand that russian resources and ukrainian resources are one thing, but the resources of, for example, the euro-atlantic community and putin's resources are not comparable things. so, dear madam, how long can putin try to continue the war , since putin is losing this war, he is ready to fight it until someone stops him, from a strategic point of view, he definitely suffered the biggest defeat in the history of russia since the collapse of the soviet union. it won twice as long with nato as

before the war. ukraine is now more determined than ever to join nato and to be a successful post-soviet neighboring state that is an alternative to putin's criminal kleptocratic regime and this is the biggest fear of putin a successful democratic prosperous ukraine which will eventually become a member of nato he cannot stop this process so he will continue to fight as long as possible hoping that ukraine will tire that all of us the united states and our allies in the west will get tired and stop providing support to ukraine, but this will never happen. the russian economy is rapidly deteriorating, revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons in the first quarter of this year were 47% lower than last year, the budget deficit is growing, the ruble has fallen sharply in price, and there is also an attempted coup putin , to put it mildly, is scared, he is doing something that he has never done before, for example, they are trying

to show the russian people that he loves him. that is why he goes to derbento and hugs people there, and that's when even his closest advisers before meeting him have to be quarantined for two weeks because he is so paranoid about getting sick putin scared and will continue to fight as long as he can but he doesn't have long left largely thanks to the amazing bravery and victory of ukrainian soldiers and the help of friends and future nato allies. we should not flinch at his next mention of nuclear weapons. he likes to say that if he is cornered, then he will give up. after all , he was cornered during the uprising. prigozhina and what did he do? he got scared and let go of prigozhina, and he probably pardoned his soldiers, that is, when he was cornered, he simply surrendered, so that putin's red lines are worthless, dear ambassadors, i would like

to ask you about the best scenario for guaranteeing security for ukraine well, i would not like to history repeated itself with the so-called budapest memorandum from a rational point of view. as you said about the budapest memorandum, none of these promises matter if nato and other friends of ukraine do not demonstrate a real willingness to provide ukraine will receive any military support it needs in order to prevent the victory of russia , at the moment we are seeing unprecedented aid in the form of military weapons, in the future everything will be different , a whole network of ties in the field of political security will be connected with ukraine, and the most important thing will be membership in nato, which will simultaneously mean that an attack on ukraine will be an attack on the entire alliance , and until we achieve this, the main thing is that nato and the united states and their friends such as japan and south korea convincingly assure

that if everything continues as it is now a white coalition of willing countries that will not simply watch from the sidelines, there were talks that some nato members could provide military assistance on the ground, it is reported that when putin threatened to use nuclear weapons, bill benz, the head of the cia, went to moscow and said that if you do it, the united states will intervene militarily and eventually destroy your army, relatively speaking, such threats are credible in my opinion , this is a guarantee of security for ukraine that if putin uses tactical nuclear weapons, the united the states will destroy the russian army, this is a real guarantee of security, which putin did not neglect, and it is much more important than any words in nato communiques or any memorandum.

you describe them of course i had the opportunity to work for white benz several times, he is one of the most creative, humble, reliable diplomats, officials and people i have ever met, he can be trusted 100%, just like jake sullivan, jake is clear in his statements, when everyone outside the white house tries to catch him by asking do you want ukraine to win, he answers very carefully and consistently , saying we want to strengthen ukraine so that it does not suffer a defeat, strengthen it so much that it is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he honest, you can trust him, at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined by the threats of russia and putin, and it seems sad that he has not learned the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean ukraine, apart from the baltic states and poland, he did not delve into the history of what professor snyder calls bloody lands . without such an understanding, one cannot learn the most important lesson

, which is that the language understood by the soviet or russian leader is the language of fear. if they can instill fear in us, they will. keep pushing if we can instill fear in them they will stop that's a lesson i don't think jake has learned yet about the white benz who was my boss in moscow i think he understands all this very well no just the position of ikasalev is somewhat different from the position held, for example, by colonel house. 100 years ago, we understand that these are people who are close to presidents, these people who influence the formation of foreign policy have absolutely 99% trust in their president, but there have been some such strange signals hear and sometimes i got the impression that jake sullivan rather slows down certain initiatives on the part of the secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon, it is necessary to understand how the foreign policy

of the united states works at this level, i really spent four years on the staff of the national security council under president bush and we her daily duties included assisting then national security advisor condoleezza rice so the job of the national security advisor is primarily to advise and guide the president's thoughts because secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion the minister of defense guest another, the director of the cia benz another, and the minister of finance ellen, in the end , all these points of view must be coordinated and reconciled with the point of view of a single person who it is president biden who makes the decision. so, jake sally's job is to coordinate all the meetings, discuss the viewpoints, present them to the student biden , explain them, advise him, because he is the national security adviser, and therefore wait for the decision that the president will make, which is what is happening and i think that it is president

biden who is guided by an ambiguous fear of provoking putin to the third world war . he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which in my opinion is a manifestation of self-restraint . biden is also afraid of giving putin another reason to blame nato is that it is the alliance that is his opponent in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is really afraid that he will not be able to maintain the unity of nato regarding the ukrainian issue, he well understands that nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive assistance for ukraine only thanks to their of solidarity, it weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war has failed, instead, he got an enlarged, stronger nato, more united with ukraine, which is on the way to membership he did not see such a thing in his worst dream. therefore, baiden realizes that in order to achieve the goals i have listed, he must

support the unity of nato, and if he insists on hopes that other nato members consider too provocative, he risks leading to the disintegration of nato, which is unacceptable for ukraine. thank you very much dear sir ambassador for this extremely frank and interesting conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that now on the air of the espresso tv channel , matthew bryza, an assistant to the secretary of state of the united states, a former director, worked for them in fact, europe and eurasia in the national security council of the usa thank you glory to ukraine there are discounts on karsil tablets 15% in pharmacies traveler bam and save money join the community with a ukrainian view

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opinion, people who take action, and now our guest will be andriy piontkovsky, an iconic political scientist who is in washington. glory to ukraine andriy andriyovych the source. good day. well , we understand the vinnytsia summit, there are a lot of positives, there are not too pleasant moments, but we understand that we have to endure them and wait the washington summit, and on the other hand, we understand that at the time when the main attention of the world was focused on the fronts of the russian-ukrainian war and on the very same freedom summit in the euro-atlantic community, they adopted an extremely important security protocol and actions in the event of something, that is, the second visa will be opened the nato center, in addition to what was measured and the main story that the commander of the nato contingent on the european continent will be

able to react quickly, not large, in the event of a russian provocation kurultaev and the meeting well, the word vilnius is accepted by you because of a certain irritation that was felt on the first day and in general by the ukrainian audience . nato today means an article again means americans germans must i want ukraine soldiers fight and die next to the ukrainian they are not ready for this and we understand that they are not ready based on reality they can to compensate for this lack of readiness , supplies are necessary for the victory. well, even biden asked to explain it to the detriment of ukraine

. some steps are needed for reforms in the political sphere in the economic sphere. it sounded simply insulting to ukrainians . what is there? preparedness with what- ukraine for the ideals of the west, the democracy of the people, she paid for it with the blood of tens of thousands of her soldiers, and besides, she left the task of the security of the west. i'm looking for american aid for a year. i'll give ukraine a try. what could we expect from some level of gratitude? ukraine , the west understands what level of gratitude it should look like because ukraine saves you . invasion from the east . that after the seven-day midday masha through ukraine, the nuclear situation is once again

the mafia on the border, but poland will repeat that for this we must express gratitude, we will not keep this account of gratitude, we will summarize early positive only here are the decisions to ensure the security of ukraine and for the nearest period and after the victory now we uh everything has become clear ukraine will be accepted by nato after the victory but it is necessary to do everything that this victory brings closer shows the necessary military weather what is this for this we will proceed now the staff has launched an action plan not for teachers, the so-called so-called action plan for membership, and a plan for real measures that will be possible under an accelerated procedure, as it was, for example, in the case of the same finland

, although we understand that the starting point will be ukraine's victory is on paper and it is realized by the support of technical experts. if you think that we see very positive results, well, firstly , cassette tapes, and secondly, but i, uh , believe yours. i am here in washington. seriously when when will they hand over the etiquette to us maybe tomorrow well here i am. этот вопрос сейчас будшается ivan will be one of the topics of the negotiations and zelensky zelensky zhvanevy if not the