[000:00:00;00] in the region near the village of hornbeam, the bodies of people were found in their own yards by local residents, and the cover flew off . at first, the russian fighters were happy, they thought they had shot down a ukrainian military plane, when they arrived at the scene, they understood everything, i want to start blaming the tragedy on the ukrainian military. будум а ни ето гражданский an international investigative group was created to investigate the tragedy. it included law enforcement agencies of five states: the netherlands , belgium, australia, malaysia, and ukraine, as well as

representatives of eurojust in 2018, the netherlands and australia jointly officially accused russia of the disaster. a year later, the dutch prosecutor's office indicted four people, three citizens of the russian federation, hyrkin dubynskyi and bulatov, as well as the citizen of ukraine, the collaborator leonid kharchenko, a long investigation of tens of thousands of pages of the case and two and a half years of hearings. on november 17, 2022, the hague court sentenced three of the four defendants in the oleg pulatov case to life imprisonment. takes part in an armed conflict, then a military person has immunity according to general international rules, he can shoot and use weapons, including and such as it was against, they decided to take the easy way, they for themselves refused to become a combatant in order not to find out under what circumstances it was shot down, and they simply considered it

a general criminal crime, the crime of murder, and in this way condemned it, we can say that it was such a procedural trick, they tried terrorists precisely according to dutch law, ukraine handed over its jurisdiction, however, there are still inaccuracies in the investigation of the crash of flight mh17. yes, it still does not qualify as a war crime. it will be interesting to us only when, after establishing that it is a war crime , the commands will be followed by the commanders, who are standing over the hill and in fact, we will probably not be it is most interesting to talk about very serious high -ranking officials who certainly provided the opportunity and transportation and gave instructions for

the transfer of this sufficiently powerful weapon , the mh17 disaster became the largest in in the last decade, all the passengers of the plane, 298 people, together with the crew, were killed, the trial in the hague will not be the last crime, they continue to be considered by a number of judges and arbitrations , the investigation into the disaster has not stopped either, and meanwhile, even the established perpetrators of the tragedy are still walking free, let's hope for world justice, you know, there were no justice moment no justice grinds quite slowly but carefully well now let's involve gennady dubovoy political expert lawyer candidate of legal sciences in the analysis

of this terrible catastrophe, glory to ukraine, mr. gennadiyusya well, we understand that a certain sentence has been passed yes, but we understand that the investigation is still ongoing because the key task is to weave together the organizers and possibly the mastermind of this terrible terrorist act, we understand that the whole thing is on her ani all the rest of the accused and convicted in general, that is are they just performers, or do you think there are any prospects to reach somewhere deeper , well, there are such efforts literally half a year ago on gas preferences in the netherlands published, in particular, the eavesdropping of putin’s conversation with plotnytskyi in 2017, it was about the fact that already at that time putin admitted in essence that the so-called lnfr is financed and actually provided by the russian federation as a state, and the specifics

of this matter are in the gas that four people were on trial, that's just it. that's the flaw, it was that they tried just four individuals for their own murder . there was no question that this was a war crime . there was no question that it was somehow inspired by the highest political leadership of the russian federation. and the fact that this case was considered in general criminal procedure in a local court in the city of the hague, here it is important for us not to confuse the international criminal court and the ordinary court of the kingdom of the team. this all points against the fact that in the future the organizers or the military - the political leadership of the russian federation was brought to justice, that is, as colleagues said in your story, they really followed a simpler path that opened the possibility of passing a court decision, but this way of handling the case essentially precluded the possibility of raising the question of the responsibility of russia as a state , because according to this verdict

, funds of the order of 16 million euros were also collected, if i am not mistaken, and we are talking about the collection of not from the state of the russian federation specifically from strilkov and two others sentenced to life imprisonment, therefore today this stage of the general criminal justice process has actually come to an end the need to carry out the sentence and directly place in prison those who were convicted, and regarding whether there is a prospect in the conviction of other people who were organizers or supplied weapons here today, the question of such effective judicial proceedings is currently absent, will they be in the future or will they be a component part of the tribunal for war crimes, which has been planned for a long time to be created on the basis of an agreement between ukraine and a number of states, or on the basis of an agreement between ukraine and the united nations, only time can tell mr. gennadiy, 298 people died, this is an incredible amount, and it is actually very difficult to understand that someone just qualifies

it as a murder, because it is a real terrorist attack, and the whole country is to blame for that, you are not the country’s leadership, and probably neither . the responsibility is collective there, because the people chose can ukraine now do something to, as you said, bring the case to the end so that the matter is actually qualified as a terrorist act as the deliberate killing of such a huge number of people again. see if we are talking about general criminal justice, by and large, the qualification either as intentional murder or as a terrorist attack is of no particular importance, because the maximum punishment is already awarded, that is, there is only a moral aspect from the point of view of the assessment by the dutch court of what happened, they assessed it as murder, if only because it was not it was necessary to prove a number of other features of the composition of the offense because

a terrorist act has certain specific features of qualification and here a problem could arise as to whether there is evidence not to confirm, in particular, the motives of these people what is ukraine actually doing in this context ? or on the basis of international law or as proposed by western partners on the basis of the ukrainian legal system, which would have jurisdiction in general to consider all crimes committed starting from from 2014 to the present day. today, unfortunately, there are no certain successes in this context. we are only talking about negotiations and until now we are essentially at the stage

of determining the format. how is it that the tribunal will be able to act? we are working in this part and are engaged today primarily because we are documenting various war crimes committed by the russians so that in the future it will be considered by the court , including the episode with the downing of the mh17, may become one of the subjects of consideration in such a future tribunal by me hennadiy see well, yes, you know, it’s very easy for a boy’s mind to explain, er, that gorky couldn’t do it on his own, you understand how to operate from the side, er, bitter, one or the other, i don’t know, an average militant, or there ’s a leader of average militants there, i don’t know, supported by a russian operation by the federation , and so on and so on. that is, it is somewhat above his competence, but if we take certain legal procedures, then we can directly prove that, for example, bitterkin was given, or permission was given, or some kind of, i don’t know, technical possibilities to use letters that

this is the whole story, it's not about the three convicts who committed this crime. so, everything goes much higher and if the long-term should be brought to its time, we remember how we worked at the nurburgring tribunal, so there were other specifics, all the defendants were in custody, everything is much more complicated here, but on the other hand, in the case of the abduction of ukrainian children, we understand that a warrant was issued for putin that what do you think we should somehow change, i don’t know. well, comparing these two cases , the case of children and, accordingly, we will try less than 17 it can be said that the russians themselves essentially documented themselves through public statements through the adoption of various regulatory and legal acts, etc., that is, when we talk about the process of proof, it differs from conditional perception by common sense in that each thesis must be confirmed by certain proper and

admissible evidence. that is, we we must have a certain medium of information that confirms our version of this and that and that or that course of events in the case of the children, it is obvious that the acts of the president of the russian federation were also in the case and public statements regarding the fact that, in fact, children are being deported from the territory of ukraine to the territory of the russian federation, and this became the basis for the warrant, if we are talking about the mech 17 cases, then today we have no information that there is any document or verbal instruction of the president or the minister of defense regarding shooting down a specific aircraft under specific conditions or even regarding the transportation of a specific buk installation or any other weapon on the territory of ukraine. that is , we understand with common sense that it was like that from the other side or is today the order of the ukrainian or international investigation, something that definitely confirms this documentally, because they did not make public statements on this matter, on the contrary, they said that we are not there yes, and so on, that is, that the regular army does not take part in this, that it is there, these deputy policemen are there, and so on. well, the version

we remember all this, and in order to disprove their version of events, we need something that will allow us to assert that it was so in the legal sense, because if we are talking about nuremberg among the allies who the tribunal was organized, there was access to all archives, including secret documents of nazi germany, and based on them, conclusions were then formulated regarding the commission of certain crimes, it was not just a voice, a follow-up statement, what is there, himmler , conditionally, you are bad, evil, that's why we will hang you all this all the same , it was documented through promotion through a number of other pieces of evidence that were the subject of court proceedings, and here, in fact, the same situation is necessary in order for it to be legally proven, it must be confirmed by something, said mr. gennadiy, we need to build this chain, and in fact we can do it already, which connects russia and the militants of the so-called lpr , dnr, the european union, he told there

that the evidence presented by a joint team of investigators of the proceedings of the district court of the netherlands and the european the court of human rights is clearly indicated that this buk installation and from which they fired, which was used to hit flight mh17, without a doubt belongs to the armed forces of the russian federation, is there actually this document, or uh, or could it be is it enough or can it actually be used in order to bring the state and its leadership to justice? it is possible to use it for this , obviously not enough. a tanker raps a ukrainian girl and such people are convicted , he is already shooting at a residential building, this in itself does not create a crime for his leadership, it is necessary that this relationship

exists in the form of a common intention, that is, that this serviceman received a specific instruction to commit a war crime, then we are talking about the possibility of bringing someone of those who gave such commands to justice, but if we are talking conditionally about the excess of the executor when it was carried out at his own discretion outside the boundaries of the orders, such a serviceman received it will be his responsibility only if we will look at the ukrainian trials that are taking place on captured military servicemen of the russian federation, there we are talking about sentencing, also personal that is, for specific crimes, people are punished, first of all, life imprisonment, and the court, our investigation, does not establish. as a rule , in connection with specific orders or without establishing this , specific people are sentenced for specific crimes, therefore, in this context, the connection is approximately what is necessary

it is impossible to prove the directionality of the common intention of all the actors, including the alleged organizers and in itself, according to the transfer of weapons, to tie the actual consequences to the weapons, well, that's rude saying that if someone sells an illegal gun on the street, a murder will be committed with this gun, and the person who sells it or transfers it will be prosecuted for illegal handling of weapons and not for murder , only the murderer will be responsible for the murder, in short i would like to ask you about prospects, ask about the prospects of the mariupol tribunal , we understand when the russian interventionists were targeted, targeting civilian houses , people died, there are witnesses, accordingly, we understand that they did it not on their own initiative, so to speak they received certain instructions and , accordingly, they are prisoners of war. well, i think that from the mariupol direction, those who could confirm the prospects of the mariupol tribunal, er, here everything is tied to the general tribunal, that is, we cannot divide by specific population centers by specific

battles, we are talking about the fact that there should be a joint tribunal or retreat or on the basis of an agreement with the organization of the united nations, which will then consider the entire set of war crimes committed on the territory of ukraine, that is, here we are not tied to specific episodes of our war, for today we only have the stage of determining the format in general, then it will be divided into a number of cases and in this tribunal they will be considered for flight mh17, which was shot down from a beech over the territory of the temporarily occupied donetsk region 9 years ago er, russian pro-russian militants and actually about the fact that everyone involved in this case should be punished and not only those who were elected and thus directly caught, as it were, by the hand, now we have a short pause, then

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an hour ago we all learned that something didn't work, maybe there were some problems with the engine and the su-25 helicopter landed a little unplanned samisin sea of ​​azov and the people who were on the beach at that time were incredibly happy , i don't know if they knew or not whose rotorcraft is this but the attraction is similar to all i liked it, because rest should not only be lazy, but it is also fantastic, and i apologize. this plane is fantastic, magical, and uh, with impressions, impressions, but what is characteristic is that we see in this video that there are not many people on the beaches. to this unfortunate sea of ​​azov, but to call it some kind of beach season, the tongue will not return it in one moment, the second moment we understand that even the most stubborn russian quilters are

aware that they cannot live like this forever and despite the fact that they, so to speak, verbally support their leader, but in any case they are not ready to risk such a key story today, of course, a plane on the sea of ​​azov is important, but the key story is that he said that the holiday season there is not crowded on the beaches of crimea didn't get there and it looks like they won't get there, they won't get there, but the key story is what will happen now in this triangle , the black sea of ​​azov and, in general, the temporarily occupied crimea, because the story of the crimean place is not just about a break in analogies, it's also about a psychological or mental attack on putin and his command . the impression is that they are very much being put in their place

. clearly hinted to putin , gerasimo made conditions and so on, don't get your hopes up, we will, so to speak, keep crimea in good shape and return how to keep crimea in good shape, we understand that our military is not some kind of beast there, god forgive me for some buryats there without regard to their ethnic origin. well, but no one is going to extinguish rocket launchers on civilian objects in crimea, but crimea itself is its history in its vulnerability, that is, if all the logistical chains are interrupted, it becomes a trap for them, and right now our military has marked it very well, you know, such an unambiguous, you know , such a thick hint from our general staff and our command that in the event of something, you will find yourself in a trap there and without relatively how much they packed military weapons there, i don’t know how many times they have been there, how

many minefields they would have set up near chongar anyway , crimea is a country and we understand that it can be an extremely convenient, although huge , target for oksana when they will not be able to move across the crimean bridge back somewhere to taganrog to eh, somewhere else to tamaniya and so on, they will try to leave the crimea through the land corridor, they themselves are pushing on this minna fields eh, but the point is not in the version that it was. there is a little, despite the fact that the main thing remains that the sea drones attacked from below from the sea, that is, the attack was not from the air, that

it was not missiles, that it was sea drones. they are even more and more and all this history has raised beautifully when , at the same time as it spoiled the mood of the russians, it hit the ambitions of putin and the ambitions of the top, who were very proud of this, in the early years of the year with the riveted bridge , it brought great pleasure to the ukrainians and a lot of different memes have already appeared on social networks , let's look at them together now, uh, there are memes that reflect the whole essence of ukrainian-russian relations , let's take a look, we ask the editors to show it there , what are the plans for the day, and i read the news from five o'clock. i also woke up at night and i read the news and was happy waking up at night, you don't even worry, because why should i sleep and i read the news when it's so cool. and how do you know that there is such cool news

out there? journalistic intuition. so you don't see something there, i need these planes, so the second time, the second time they returned along the crimean bridge the first time, it wasn’t the most brilliant story, so we understand that such an allegorical analogy is very well done here, this is a long iron putin table with which he would like to always keep his visas at a distance, so to speak, the man cracked will become the hero of more than one meme like that a girl who reacts to some soviet regular parade in lviv, this same man will be used more than once. so it will be necessary to demonstrate the russians. well , the key story when we talk about drones is that the story that these are naval drones if the armed forces of ukraine together with the security service of ukraine and so on and so on mastered , so to speak, not only the possible production but also

the normal use of naval drones - this makes the base of the naval forces of the russian federation in the same it puts them at risk for new russia itself, we understand that now a lot of russian resources will be spent on the fortifications of the sevastopol bay, they can tell about what happened there in the last moment, as if i somehow didn't no no add adventures on saw and there is some of his such a mature phrase so where is the piece of the bridge and what about gerasimov where is the piece of the bridge i will remind our tv viewers that gerasimov regularly , so to speak, pushed his war criminals, dividers on one side, on the other side competitors yes blaming them for our troubles, we understand that, well, the russian offensive was choked not because of the lack of this and that in prigozhina, but because of the heroism of our military well, we are still cool and

what are the russians saying now and what after of all this that has happened, they mean the russians should stop any trade relations, in particular gas transportation and cut off the ukrainians from the sea, imagine ugh , any trade relations as if right now we are just sitting and seeing how we will trade with russia any diplomatic and in general any relations with russia must be terminated immediately. in fact, i think that everything has already been terminated, but here is the key story, if dogan makes putin's face, so to speak, fayanso . you know such a white queue. well, in to any in the event of a grain agreement, because we understand that erdoğan and the united nations will press into various

ways of extending the grain corridor, so putin will try to prevent it. well , be it. as far as we understand, erdoğan has some secret trump cards, and these trump cards are not only that erdogan will try to force his way to odesa in order to ship, load and transport , we understand that if putin starts, so to speak, not listening to erdogan, then erdogan can change the export import policy in relation to russia, and this is already under the conditions of western sanctions for putin, is extremely serious about trade with another country, but now we have to stop at this, because anna eva melnyk and this newsroom already have for you the most recent selection of information of important information, so we will give them the word annuevo, please tell us what happened intin and i will be back in a few minutes. greetings colleagues, the news editorial office