[000:00:00;00] were used for the first time in russia on february 28, 2022 in kharkov when people were standing by the water , do you remember and they were simply well, it was just ragged because they used these cluster munitions , there is another synchronization from putin and i suggest you listen to it, then return to cluster munitions about how the war will last for a long time, and taking into account the ukrainian counter-measures, our troops are positively behaving heroically in some areas, and the offensive itself goes into the offensive, unexpected for the opponents, they take the most profitable ones advantageous positions there, high-rise buildings and so on. well, all the enemy's attempts to break through our defenses. and this is a task

, including the use of strategic reserves . how about commenting on this, but let's go back to cluster munitions because actually russia is already threatening that we will use something else there . what haven't you seen yet for russia to provide ukraine with cluster munitions, what does this mean, it means that we are significantly strengthen our possibilities are already in the counteroffensive, because we know these redoubts that surovikin built in the south and those redoubts that they are building now in the luhansk and donetsk regions .

as well as tactical , operational-tactical, even strategic consequences. other equipment, ammunition, weapons and equipment, it is only a matter of time. it is important to argue for ourselves, for our partners, for our friends, for the world, we could argue this, prove the necessity from the point of view of the current situation that has developed , it is obvious that in operational and tactical terms it is better to comment on it military, in addition , i will only add that it is very important in the current situation, especially in the conditions of the minefield of the total territory on which the battles are being fought, is

the use of such ammunition. the third is from the point of view of, say, e-e relations with partners, it is very important here to understand that the exchange of information, the achievement of agreements , the observance of regulations, the use of similar equipment, this will establish the rules and order of bilateral and multilateral relations , work out the mechanisms of how to work in this regard and in matters of service delivery, the use of reporting, fixation i am not saying the consequences of these things . well, what is important is that similar things are very much temporary because it is not just the provision of similar ammunition. this includes agreements on demining in the territory where they will be used. in fact, when i listened to putin , i know that these munitions were used on the territory

of ukraine. since 2014, i understand that this sick person is this führer, and he is not just lying , he passed a long, long time ago within the limits of humanity, he knows very well how in the battles in 2015 he gave instructions to use such weapons because it is, let's say, the authority of only the main person, such commands to use such weapons cannot be given, let's say , commanders on the spot or by the tension of the third echelon such commands are given only by the main leaders because these weapons are conditioned by the norms of international international law and here it is very important that the ukrainian side undertakes the appropriate obligations when using such ammunition as the party that did not sign relevant international acts, but observed and fulfilled these norms, this is also evidence of civility in observing the rules

of war, international conventions that regulate similar things. and the fact that putin talked about the fact that we have even cooler cluster munitions it's just that we haven't used them yet, sergey, well, the topic of russian weapons seems to me to be of its quality, she already understood it a long, long time ago, and this can be seen from what kind of weapon it is, how accurately it hits. so on, this is fortunate in some ways for us, misfortune for the enemy, even more so, this is a myth about the wunderwaffe, as at one time, during the second world war, the germans were also afraid of some kind of weapon that is there. and no one saw it there when the hitler regime was was defeated on

at the front, they already invented, well, there is something similar here. but they, along with the seven myths about weapons, have another private military company that actually passed all of them . they were in africa. they were in syria, they were in ukraine, now they have moved to belarus, these wagoner convoys are arriving in belarus , traveling under the flags of the russian federation and a private military campaign , the belarusian district in the direction of osipovichi and the camp in the village of the target of the m5 route from bobruisk is moving right now, they report more one large convoy or in the wagner pvk, the convoy consists of at least 20 vehicles of various modifications, uazs, patriots, pickups . well, in short, many, many pieces of equipment, and according to accurate data, this is already at least the third column of znamens who

arrived in belarus since july 11, considering what the wagnerites did on june 24, in russia, they tried to organize a coup according to yours, what is their task now to move to belarus? well, it is obvious that you cannot calmly accept or, well, you cannot calmly react when on the border with ukraine on in the north, this brigade of thugs can be located, and for lukashenka, in principle , the deployment of these thugs on his territory is also dangerous. i don’t know if he thinks about it , well, i don’t care, but what do you say about this

great movement of wagner, well, in exile to belarus, many units of this private army were castrated by the armed forces of ukraine, and they are unlikely to be capable of anything , but i would like to ask everyone to pay attention to the coincidence of such informational things as, on the one hand, a message that part of the units of wagner's private army arrive in belarus, and at the same time hysteria is developing in the mass media in the russian public regarding a possible strike in the suval corridor, well, this is actually the narrow isthmus between belarus and kaliningrad a-a on the territory of lithuania, which is constantly being talked about given these conditions , it can be absolutely clearly said that combat-ready russian units, together with equipment , including belarusian, left the territory

of the republic of belarus, the arrival there of units castrated by the armed forces of ukraine to date, the wagnerians are being sent to concentration camps by führer lukashenko. how is the training of belarusian units based on the experience gained by the wagnerians in battles on the territory of ukraine to talk about the fact that criminals will be criminals who will train military personnel ? it will happen . especially since whoever ptashenko is a military man, in the end, he is a part of them. let's put it this way, he will respect himself and is unlikely to follow the instructions of these

criminals who committed not only crimes but entered the war, but also being civilians, so from my point of view, the first consequence of this arrival will be an increase in tension between the belarusians and these units or these individuals. moreover , when they arrive there, they will deal not only with there they will spend time in endless drunkenness and smoking and smoking, they will also harass the local population and this must be understood because such a law of the genre is so obvious that it will deepen the tension within belarus itself ah but at the moment, it is too early to talk about the fact that they carry some kind of external danger , i mean, whether for the state or for ukraine , it is too early, because their potential and weapons and the number are too small, but all the same , it must be understood that including these

units of private armies and wagners of the villages - all others, they very often resort to sabotage e-e work of sabotage attacks, and for this one must be ready and clearly control the border, understanding that there may be cases when these units will resort to sabotage shares of mr. roman, although the nato summit was held a week ago and it was obviously time for many experts to express themselves and say what they think about the fact that it was held by the north atlantic alliance on the one hand, and a lot was said about the fact that what did ukraine gain or what did it lose at this summit, but let's talk more globally, because you can't just take out of the context the general picture of how the north atlantic alliance is moving forward, because for

putin, the challenge is not only the future , ukraine's prospects for membership in nato, and that well, in fact, sweden is already joining nato. finland has joined, that is, let's look at this situation in general and where we are in this situation and whether we could have been in another place during the summit or could we have received much more from the results of this meeting than we received. the first thing that is very important is that our allies are maintaining a position of providing constant assistance with the necessary equipment, ammunition, equipment, and weapons, and as i already said, from my point of view, the supply of one or another type

of weapon is only a matter of time and it depends from the bilateral dialogue and the arguments that the ukrainian side finds in order to convince its partners of the need to provide this or that weapon, this is the first, second, it is important that this process manifests a political component, and it is already peculiar . it is only a declarative document that needs serious elaboration and the development of mechanisms, but it contains a very important thing regarding the supply of ultra-modern modern weapons, and it is important that this moment is not neglected. developed from the question from the point of view of the mechanism, how to make sure that this clause does not remain barren, so that it is not only written so that it began to work , because this clause is actually he if he says we

are ready to supply, let's discuss the mechanisms, including from my point of view point of view and it is necessary do not hesitate to raise the issue on a bilateral basis regarding the assistance of a-a partners not only with e-e equipment, weapons and ammunition, but also the entry into this war of the armies of other countries. i emphasize this once again on a bilateral basis. because this war is not only, let's say, a tragedy of humanity, it is a school of life , a school of world order, and he who understands what it is, will use this school in order to stuff himself with bumps, but to come to the right decisions, because on today we can see how rapidly the expenditures in many budgets of many states

are increasing their armaments , armaments for their own national armies, for blocs of various kinds, etc. the consequences of its application during the war can only be seen by taking part in hostilities, so it is very important that this moment be ignored from my point of view, including the entry of countries into this war from the point of view of the participation of the army of these countries in vienna, this is also a question time, because what you and i once discussed is absolutely unacceptable, it is immoral when one state with the forces of one people is waging such a heavy war against an enemy that poses a threat to europe, asia and the global world

. i am not talking about what you and i are today they said, the behavior of this führer leads to the fact that the behavior is not military actions, the behavior leads to the fact that hundreds of millions of people are starving, so it is obvious that it is important that the ukrainian side, understanding all these efforts, does not give them the opportunity to stay only with a declaration and any of these decisions, including the budapest memorandum, should not be forgotten; everything else must be implemented, they must be implemented through the development of mechanisms for their implementation, and this applies to, among other things, i have already emphasized this and the supply of weapons and the supply of equipment and the supply of ammunition and the production of production when i monitor now how individual states are behaving, they are motivated

by this danger that looms over their states, they agree, including on the organization of production, on joint projects , large global joint projects in order to increase volumes of production of weapons , equipment, ammunition, using the fact that you are modern, modern technologies, in fact, the last visit of prime minister modi to france well it was simply the most vivid demonstration of what you and i already talked about today, how the conclusions about the course of this russian-ukrainian war about the actions of the aggressor caused the fact that a number of joint projects were launched between france and india on the production of, including, fighter jets and many other types of military equipment

such as warships, submarines, a - a, fighter planes, etc. raised the world first in the understanding of what is happening in the world that there will be no short answer and quick answer to this catastrophe that was launched by the moscow förler . will open up a chance for the world to recover as quickly as possible, suffer as few losses as possible , it is necessary to understand that there is no difference between losses in battles or from famine in africa, it is losses

due to the aggressive behavior of moscow therefore, it is necessary to unite, including by reforming international organizations, because it is clear that if the action of ramstein, the security council does not work, then who and how can ensure order and compliance with the norms of international law in the world , it is clear that this should lead to continental, regional, global decisions which were related to the change in the mechanisms for ensuring peace, the acquisition of international law and the emergence of institutions and mechanisms that would prove and allow punishing those who destroy the norms of international law, and here it is very important

to understand that this is how ukrainians are holding on, ukraine is holding on to ukraine, they provide help, but the most important thing in this situation is for everyone to realize that the french, british , polish, american should stand here together with the ukrainian soldier, then there is a chance to end this aggressive war, which was started by the moscow filler, as soon as possible, because the decision a or rather a summary of this , neither president zelenskyi nor ukraine was satisfied, because we were hoping for at least a formal invitation to join ukraine in the north atlantic treaty organization alliance and that we will become the 33rd country after sweden to join nato er, but er , could it give much more to ukraine in vilnius than we expected, that is, could it er, could it make much bigger and that

the north atlantic alliance did the situation in russia hold back or not when they realized that uh, this so-called prigozhina coup showed that , in principle, uh, power in russia can very soon pass to some group of people as a result of a military coup there or something else and the west. well, sort of said we will we will communicate only with the legitimate government and we will support it. is this indecisiveness of nato related to the invitation? is this our internal problem? first of all, from what i see now, i am reading from the position of the politicians' statements. analysts, journalists, and the west incorrectly interprets everything that is called

the wagner mutiny, and the nature of this phenomenon is interpreted by the west as a democratic west as a democratic world, but it is necessary to understand that the laws of the totalitarian regime, the internal rules of morality and behavior are completely different to me. jokes that many of ours, including specialists, resort to the same things, forgetting that russia is actually imperial russia , the soviet union, the current russia, they are subject to that logic, that axiom according to which this environment developed, this is the territory and the states that existed on it, especially in the nature of their totalitarian content, and this prevents the world from objectively assessing what happened, what will be the consequences

of the statement that prigozhin's mutiny will weaken putin, this is an incorrect interpretation of the nature and understanding of what such mutinies are in that to the system of e-e values ​​of the coordinates, which are called russia, always the emperor, the general secretaries who were kept after such things used these things for purges, to destroy their competitors, to strengthen their position, and this should not be forgotten. the west is, in principle, military-technically not ready today to oppose such a system, especially in its massive statistical data, so if you

look at today's deliveries to ukraine of equipment, weapons, and so on which are gathered in many countries in this way, using the experience of the ukrainian army of the armed forces of ukraine, using their practice, using a-a much stronger from the point of view of the quality of the weapons that are provided by the world today, it is possible to maintain the situation in a certain parity. but if we speak from the point of view tactics of the need to accumulate a serious, solid e-e component of the armed forces, equipment , ammunition, personnel to strike at the enemy, then in comparison if we talk about those military operations that

carried out by nato forces or international forces after the second world war, it becomes obvious that the west is not ready in such volumes today to confront russia using this argument, understanding this argument, taking into account nuclear blackmail, such a decision was actually made, but what is important and most important in this situation is first of all the continuation of providing the maximum possible assistance with equipment , weapons, ammunition and launch, pay attention. why is no one talking about this? i am already in 90 points of the general statement comic that was adopted at the vilnius summit, a third of the points relate

to the strengthening of building the defense and industrial potential of nato countries and nato partners . from the point of view of preparing offensive operations, if i want to remind those who are listening to us that the second front in the second world war was opened two and a half years after the question of opening the second front was raised, then it is obvious that today we are interested in the fact that as soon as possible and faster and better nato increased its combat readiness in that village, our partners in rammstein at the same time, we have to thank them for the help they provide today, we have to interpret , explain and to put into effect those decisions that were taken from the point of view of the guarantor

of the security guarantees of the big seven. from the point of view of the provisions that are written in the stone of 90 points that were taken in the solitude of freedom , in fact there is something to work on and when i hear a certain groan that it should have been, well, there was a lot of things that could have been done, a lot of things could have been done, it had to be done in a different way and it was also necessary to do homework about which serhii today is just not the time to talk because the other situation and from the point of view of observing what was happening in vilnius, i perfectly understand why such a decision was made, whether it was possible to ensure and hope for what you said, it was possible , but from the point of view of the situation on the front line

of the international situation and what did it change when you you need a weapon and you are pushing for a certain text and point, then you are making a big mistake , you need a weapon, get this weapon, get the maximum help because you need the most help, moreover, when they receive you, they help as much as they can and please do not spoil the relationship with these people because they understand very well what is happening in reality, ah, despite everything, because in this situation, you also have to think about how to gather the world and unite it against this rabid evil, because you have to understand this evil will threaten the world for many years, not two, and not even a dozen years, because the axis that has developed now, minsk, moscow , tehran, beijing - this is for a long time and it is very, very serious. and we need to work on this both at

the regional level and at the continental level and at global and you don't need to spend your energy on what you don't need to spend on, you need to think about how to help yourself help your partners thank you mr. roman for the conversation it was a novel immortal politician-diplomat ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to belarus in 2010-2011 friends we work directly on the air of the espresso tv channel and also on our social platforms on youtube for those who are currently watching us on youtube please take part in the vote today we are asking you about whether you communicate with your relatives in russia e so here are the options for answers yes no i don't relatives of the russian federation and your option. so, they are communicating here, according to the vote

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