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at 17:10 on the espresso tv channel greetings dear tv viewers on the espresso tv channel program studio event we will analyze the most important events of this week and try to predict how they will turn out will be on our next weeks our guests today matthew bryza and andriy yankovsky our first guest former adviser to the united states secretary of state former director of affairs europe and eurasia in the case of us national security matthew bryce i congratulate you dear mr. ambassadors in the studio of the espressov tv channel, the key story is the consequences of the great summit in vilnius, so we would like to ask you why president joseph biden still did not dare to push through the so-called very clear pro-ukrainian order denys in particular , it is about the direct membership of ukraine in nato

, please decipher this extremely important strategic discussion, the strategic consequences, in particular, not only for ukraine, but for the security of the entire central and not only for sure of central europe, the strategic consequences are large and positive both for ukraine and for nato at the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine in february 2022, such a result could only be dreamed of, remember how the friends and future allies of ukraine hesitated to provide any significant military assistance today we we have a promise j7 to continue to provide significant military assistance and a clear commitment of the united alliance to support ukraine until it defeats russia, but in view of this and that the fact that i was present at the bucharest summit in april 2008 disappointed me with the position of president biden and olaf scholz

, whose predecessor, angela merkel, blocked the membership action plan for ukraine and georgia . in bucharest, after all, now there are reports that it was the usa and germany that did not agree to cooperate with other allies on wording that would emphasize that ukraine will receive an invitation as soon as the war is over is a strategic mistake and unfortunately the experience of the bucharest summit did not help us to avoid, we understand that putin started a local war for a reason putin started an almost existential war on which the existence of ukraine will depend , the borders of the western world in the east will depend on it and so on and so on well, in your opinion, how hard will president joseph be willing to play biden yes, we understand that, for ukraine, membership is one, first of all, that this is the fifth article , currently we are receiving analogues, in particular, it is

about security guarantees, but security guarantees are not the same as the fifth article, first of all uncertainty is always crucial when it comes to security guarantees that do not comply with the fifth article . himself because of the fear that putin will provoke the third world war or that he can declare that russia is at war with nato, however, putin is already doing it he threatens with nuclear weapons and we feel his bluff he once again tells everyone that russia is not is at war with ukraine and with the entire alliance, so i really don't know what president biden is afraid of, he just has a certain emotional fear of his involvement in a nuclear conflict, national security advisor jake sullivan encourages president biden to move

in the right direction, but on this one so far , everything is military support which the u.s. has given ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and the u.s. , together with great britain, led the alliance . the problem is that such self-restraint or the fear of provoking a direct conflict with russia has led to the fact that a significant part of significant aid came to ukraine too late, if all this had been provided to ukraine from the very beginning, ukraine would be in a much better position on the battlefield than it is today, and therefore pressuring ukraine to launch its counteroffensive without air cover seems to be a very unreasonable decision from a military point of view, which greatly complicates the life of ukraine. i do not want to be ungrateful , because in general, we in ukraine pay tribute to our western friends, our western partner, if it were not for their

timely help, most people would be killed, we understand that it would be as big as sodus, there would be a right-wing rout, many would be shot, someone would be demonstratively executed or hanged, but we received help and at the same time we are also aware that this help may not be enough, at the same time we understand that in order to strategically decide the course of the company, we need aviation the same f-16s to destroy enemy logistics centers we need etakems systems in our country, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , general zaluzhny, speaks very clearly about this in particular, in those interviews that came out in the west, we understand that the pentagon and the white house understand what general zaluzhny was talking about, as i already mentioned, it is really unreasonable and imprudent for us in the usa and nato to put pressure on ukraine or to make certain judgments about the speed of its counteroffensive to be able to justify further military support

especially when we are not ready to provide f-16 fighters to provide the air shield that is so necessary for a successful offensive or counteroffensive so when it comes to military planning, we are taking steps that are not entirely rational in relation to the attacks. of course, they are absolutely necessary to increase the range of artillery fire. we remember how , even before the usa provided heimers, russian artillery simply blew up ukrainian cities. and how, after the first days of their work, russia was forced to stop its tough tactics of war crimes, therefore, we cannot do without atakams . if we want to be able to hit russian high-target targets that threaten ukraine, answering your question, why have they not delivered them yet, again, i think what about self-shooting, the biden administration fears that if f16 is given, russia will declare that it is in a state of war with nato and will dare to escalate, because russia

did nothing when the west crossed its red lines regarding military support for ukraine in relation to the attacks, the fears are that more the range of action may allow ukraine to hit targets on the territory of russia, which could potentially lead to the expansion of the geography of the war, this argument is false because , firstly, ukraine promised not to do this, but secondly, because ukraine is already striking the territory that russia illegally considers to be russian, either on the 4 temporarily annexed regions or on crimea, therefore the arguments that the biden administration uses to convince itself why it is not necessary to increase military aid are counterproductive and simply do not have any meaning, returning to the previous question, i understand why nato is not ready to invite ukraine to join the alliance as soon as the war is over, because it can give putin an excuse to continue the war

as long as possible, but he has already decided on that to make this argument is also just a diversionary maneuver, we should have given ukraine more clarity about when it will be invited to nato and we definitely should have provided f16 and attacks long before ukraine began its counteroffensive biden's courage is enough biden understands putin's calculations well he despises calls him a war criminal, after all, which he is . biden led an alliance that crossed each of putin's red lines, in particular, when putin threatened nuclear weapons everywhere in his opinion . biden is generally quite brave. however, he allows russia is restraining itself because it is trying to maintain the integrity of nato. he knows that germany does not really want to go as far as he would like, while poland or the baltic countries are ready to go much further in accelerating ukraine's accession to nato and providing

them with the necessary weapons. he knows that putin plans to win as much time as possible in the hope that nato will give a crack therefore biden is trying to secure the alliance even if his steps seem to me here in istanbul to be quite restrained dear matthew i know that you know how the russians work in particular about these or other negotiating points. and actually, i would like to ask you now about certain dynamics, in particular, it is about what putin came up with at the beginning of the war, what proposals he made and what his current proposals are, how much putin's appetites have changed or fallen, on the other hand, we understand in we in ukraine have a very clear transparent position we demand our lands back we demand compensation for our losses putin's goals have changed from his truly insane desire to capture kyiv in just a few days

and essentially destroy the ukrainian nation before to simply hold on and prevent the destruction of its military on the battlefield until the united states and its nato allies, as well as other friends around the world , tire of helping ukraine , putin's goals are as criminal as you can imagine, this is no longer a genocidal desire to destroy the ukrainian nation now they are aimed at his personal survival , the mutiny of prigozhina hit him hard and destroyed the morale of the russian military. the ukrainians and their western friends who supply powerful weapons, here you see how, say, in bakhmut, a group of your former comrades is doing the most extreme thing that you, as a soldier , could in principle imagine, it is about treason , about an attempt to overthrow the government, but putin turns a blind eye to it, they are now allowed

to roam around will, can something even deeper undermine the morale of the russian armed forces, there are many people around putin who clearly want him to leave, and therefore i think that now his goal is simply to survive what we clearly what we don't appreciate enough in ukraine's fight against russia is how much it has done for us militarily, timothy, a brilliant financial and strategic analyst , made a comment a few days ago during a meeting i attended, he said the united states invested $50 billion in military support for ukraine but ukrainian soldiers destroyed much more russian equipment and worsened the military potential of russia, which is several times more than the 50 billion dollars that the united states gave to ukraine. so, based on purely from an economic point of view, the investments of the united states in the ukrainian army were deeply in the interests of the united states, and in our interests, of course, for ukraine not only

to survive, but also to win this war, since it became a member of nato, we understand that we are in a state of war, in fact , a beastly war, extremely difficult, and the west is somehow trying not to get involved in the second, because we also see certain trends, there is a feeling that russia, in a strategic plan, can no longer offer anything in order to achieve this or that victory. it can only delay history feels the war here, too. how long can they prolong the war? because putin is pretending to be ready to wage an almost century-long war against ukraine, against the west, and so on . of course, the issue of resources. well, we understand that russian resources and ukrainian resources, well, that’s one thing, and the resources of, for example, the euro-atlantic community and putin's resources are not comparable things. so, dear madam, how long can putin try to continue the war

, since putin will lose this war, he is ready to fight it until someone will stop from a strategic point of view , he definitely suffered the biggest defeat in the history of russia since the collapse of the soviet union. putin's kleptocratic regime and this is putin's biggest fear , a successful, democratic, prosperous ukraine, which will eventually become a member of nato, he cannot stop this process, so he will continue to fight as long as possible, hoping that ukraine will get tired that all of us, the united states and our allies in the west, will get tired and stop providing support to ukraine, but this will never happen. the russian economy is rapidly deteriorating. revenues from the sale

of hydrocarbons in the first quarter of this year were 47% lower than last year. the budget deficit is growing. the ruble fell sharply in prices, and there is also an attempt at a coup d'état. putin , to put it mildly, is scared, he is doing something he has never done before, for example, they are trying to show the russian people that he loves him. that is why he is going to dirbent hugs people there and this is when even his closest advisers have to be quarantined for two weeks before meeting him because he is so paranoid about getting sick putin scared and will continue to fight as long as he can but he doesn't have long left largely due to amazing bravery and victory to ukrainian soldiers and the help of friends and future nato allies. we should not flinch from his next mention of nuclear weapons. he likes to say that if

he is cornered, then he will surrender he was cornered during prigozhin's uprising. and what did he do? he got scared and let prigozhin go, and he must have shown mercy to his soldiers, that is, when he was cornered, he simply surrendered, so putin's red lines are worthless, dear ambassadors, i would like to ask you about the best guarantee scenario security for ukraine well, i would not like the history of the so-called budapest memorandum to repeat itself from a rational point of view. as you said about the budapest memorandum, none of these promises matter if nato and other friends of ukraine do not will demonstrate a real readiness to provide ukraine with any military support it needs in order to prevent the victory of russia at the moment we see unprecedented assistance in the form of military weapons in the future everything will be different with ukraine a whole network of ties in the field of political security will be connected

and the most important thing will be membership in nato, which will simultaneously mean that an attack on ukraine will be an attack on the entire alliance , and until we achieve this, the main thing is that nato and the united states and their friends, such as japan and south korea, convincingly assure that if everything continues as it is now, there will be a whole coalition of willing countries that will not simply watch from the sidelines, there were talks that some nato members could provide military assistance on the ground, it is reported that when putin threatened to use nuclear weapons, bill benz, the head of the cia, went to moscow and said that if you do this, the united states will intervene militarily and eventually destroy your army, relatively speaking, such threats are credible in my opinion , this is a guarantee of security for ukraine, what if putin will use tactical nuclear weapons, the united states will destroy the russian army, this is a real guarantee of security, which putin did not neglect

, and it is much more important than any words in the nato communique or any memorandum , in ukraine we can trust our american friends for kusullivan and william burns, you do you know those people ? i would ask you to describe them. of course, i had the opportunity to work for white benz on several occasions. he is one of the most creative, modest, reliable diplomats, officials and people i have ever met. he can be trusted on all 100%, like jake salliwa jake is clear in his statements when everyone outside the white house tries to catch him asking do you want ukraine to win he answers very carefully and consistently we want to strengthen ukraine so that it does not suffer defeat strengthen it so that it is ready for negotiations with russia to end the war. so he is honest, you can trust him, at the same time, his strategic foundation can be undermined by the threats of russia and

putin, and it seems sad that he has not mastered the lessons of the history of eastern europe, i mean ukraine in addition to the baltics and poland, he did not delve into the history of what professor snyder calls the bloody lands, without such an understanding , one cannot learn the most important lesson , which is that the language that a soviet or russian leader understands is the language of fear, if they can instill fear in us they will keep pushing if we can instill fear in them they will stop this is a lesson that i don't think jake has yet learned about white benz who was my boss in moscow i think he understands all this very well. no, it’s just that the position for which seleva is somewhat different from the position held , for example, by colonel house. for 100 years ago, we understand that these are people close to the presidents, these people who influence the formation of foreign policy have absolutely well, there by 99% trust of his

president but i had to hear some such strange signals and sometimes i got the impression that jake sullivan rather slows down certain initiatives on the part of the secretary of state anthony blinkin and the head of the pentagon should to understand how united states foreign policy works at this level, i actually spent four years on the staff of the national security council under president bush, and my day-to-day duties included assisting then -national security advisor condoleezza rice . so the job of a national security advisor is primarily to to advise and guide the president's thoughts, because the secretary of state blinkin may have one opinion , the minister of defense is guest another, the director is rubenz, another, and the minister of finance ellen is his , in the end, all these points of view are necessary with coordinate and agree with the point of view of the only person who makes the decision, which is president biden. so jake salev's work

insists on coordinating all the meetings, discussing the point of view, presenting them to the student of biden, explaining them, advising him , because he is the national security adviser , and therefore waiting for a decision that the president will accept what is happening. i think that it is president biden who is guided by an ambiguous fear of provoking putin to the third world war. he is afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, which, in my opinion, is a manifestation self-restraint biden is also afraid to give putin another reason to accuse nato of the fact that it is the alliance that is his opponent in this war, not ukraine, and finally, biden is very afraid that he will not be able to maintain the cohesion of nato regarding the ukrainian issue, he well understands that nato countries and other partners were able to provide such decisive aid for ukraine only thanks to their solidarity , it is precisely this that weakens putin and makes it clear that his main goal in this war

failed with collapse instead he received an increased , stronger nato more united from ukraine which is on the way to membership. he did not see such a thing in his wildest dreams. therefore, he is fully aware that in order to achieve the goals i have listed, he must support nato unity, and if he insists on hopes that other nato members consider too provocative, he risks leading to the disintegration of nato, which is unacceptable for ukraine thank you very much, dear mr. embassy, ​​for this extremely frank and interesting conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that

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exclusive content personal thanks pinned comments special icons and the possibility of personal communication with the espresso team, click to sponsor and become part of the community with a ukrainian perspective . now our guest will be andriy piontkovskyi , a famous political scientist who is in washington kudos to ukraine andrii andreyovich as the source kudos to the good day well, we understand that the vinnytsia summit has a lot of positives , there are not too pleasant moments, but we understand that we have to endure them and wait until the washington summit, and on the other hand, we understand that during that time when the main attention of the world was focused on and to the fronts of the russian-ukrainian war and to the very same freedom summit in the euro-atlantic community, they adopted an extremely important security protocol and actions in

the event of something, i.e. visa introduction , a second nato center will be opened in addition to what was measured and the main story that the commander of the nato contingent on the european continent will be able to react quickly in the event of a russian provocation, not large kurultaevs and meetings . tactically, the demands of the west and the first americans to explain their unwillingness to accept ukraine into nato are not real reasons, which we all understand, they are ready to understand ukraine in nato, this is means the article again means americans, germans must go to ukraine soldiers fight and die next to the ukrainian they are not ready for this and we understand that they are not ready

based on this reality they can compensate for this lack of readiness to supply me necessary for victory well even biden fucks his i tried to explain it by some other lack of readiness of ukraine, necessary for reforms in the political sphere in the economic well, it sounded simply insulting to ukrainians, there is some lack of readiness with what ukraine is for the ideals of the west, the democracy of poland man, they paid for it with the blood of tens of thousands of their soldiers, and when it is a cheap task, the security of the west. well, here is the host of lebanon , which did everything to slow down american aid. the level of gratitude he