[000:00:00;00] that is, they have to be taken to poland, to the czech republic, and that to germany , but i think that this will move to our territory, but right now, while we are talking to you, i think that this is already happening. after all, some of the investors will take the risk, even during the war , to invest in the production line, if only because the products will be purchased directly from the conveyor, in fact, immediately go to the front, so you are a bit risky investment but i think that there will be those who want to. well, as for the production of equipment weapons, that is, you mentioned this project with raid metal at the tank plant, they seem ready to invest in the repair capacity. i think it will be the case with everyone , that is, there will be a large investment in the production of new models, but they can go literally in a stream

immediately after the war, and during the war there will be investments in repairs and, in the best case, in ammunition by some enterprises, another thing is that no one is interfering with the preparation of these projects right now, as with baikar machina, all the land acquisition projects , the financial part, are already prepared with baikar machina, so simply at any moment the start command is given and the finished project is immediately implemented, but no one forbids israel metal to do the same with bayasists who, by the way, also expressed interest in our market, that is, these world giants, er , they can already do all the preparatory work so as not to start negotiations on victory day, and to actually start construction on victory day. thank you, sir yevgeny, thank you for the conversation. it was yevhen, a wild military man, a former platoon commander of the aidar battalion. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our

social platforms and on the youtube platform . for those who are currently watching us on youtube , please like this video and subscribe to our pages. in social networks well, join our survey on youtube. today we are asking you about the justification for repairs and reconstruction of roads during the war. yes, no, your option. if so , please write in the comments below this video. we are in touch with a politician, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, pavlo klimkin , mr. pavlo, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, i congratulate you, we are glad to be with you again, mr. pavly, let's start with fresh news, the president of the republic of south africa, the ramaphosa series today , under oath in court, he stated that the russian side has promised war to

the south african republic in the event that the government of par arrests putin during the brics summit, which is scheduled for august by the warrant of the international criminal court, since the rome statute was ratified by the russian federation, according to you, this means that russia is already moving to other continents, that is , putin wants to repeat the path of hitler, who also tried to start a war there in tunisia somewhere , the truth is that he was defeated. i understand your point smile, mr. sergey, but you perfectly understand that the answer is much more banal , they are simply engaged in manipulations so as not to arrest putin, and this is actually preparation for this, no real war

, these are against the south african republic he can't lead even from the point of view of er ability technical technological human the second moment for putin is er situation with very high stakes i understand that it would be easier to send some lavrov and i think he doesn't even mind sending but for putin it is very important show that he is not a weakling, why show it inside russia and show it to a part of the non-western world? so, i think he really wants to go to the summit as a couple, and there they will try to play various games

, say something about the war, then accept some legal decisions, trying to somehow combine one's legal obligations and the desire to sweat, that's why everything about the war is actually just banal preparation and nothing more, and i think that putin will try to go to this summit, i will try to go personally and just to show everyone that there is no complete isolation of his personality, and with regard to russia , everything is clear, and for putin, this is the only chance for twenty. as you know, it will be without putin, but bx is, in my opinion, the only platform where he can still sweat. well, let's see

at least how it all ends. because until august there is still a lot of time, obviously a lot of information will still be thrown into the information space from the republic of south africa. on july 17, the un security council and on july 18 held a rather wide-ranging meeting that touched on ukraine, or rather, it was a ministerial- level meeting called the maintenance of peace and security of ukraine and there were the ministers of foreign affairs of great britain james cleverley of france catherine column of germany anna lena berkbock but from those speeches that sounded late in the evening of july 17 , some countries continue to be russia's advocates

china, hungary, and brazil are in the radbezion, and they will continue to try to pretend that putin is not the aggressor, and that we still need to figure out what is going on in ukraine . why do you think these countries continue to walk next to the russian federation? everything has already been laid out. it is clear that everything has already been proven and, in my opinion, the fact of aggression does not raise any questions for anyone. and in general, objections, first of all, each of them tries to behave differently, they are all complicated, but i would not put after all because of a coma secondly, each of them is guided by their own cynical interests and conveniences for china. in fact, it is important that russia be weakened

, children do not want to be strengthened, and i think that there are many people in china who are not experts and at the political level do not believe in stability and six partnership with russia that does urban in my opinion, we've already discussed it 110 times and there's no need to repeat anything here he trades he plays a game and give me something and then i 'll do something accordingly give me hell money and then i'll change the order somehow the words of the sentences and everything else here is absolutely understandable and the brazilians play their game important priorities for them important climate changes money for brazil for latin america for the non-western world the fact that the western

world considers the war in ukraine to be the number one problem brazilians do not like, they would like something else, that is, each of them has their own motivation, each of them has their own problems , each of them does not want to adhere to the value approach. a moment that we all have to understand without fail, and we need to work very closely, this is not a task for a day, a week, a month, or even a year, it is a task on which to move forward - this is a strategic

task. we must invest resources, first of all, human creativity. interaction with our partners, but also financial, we have to explain to the non-western world that ukrainians are not only something and someone who can be inspired, it is actually a part of europe with its own values, it is fundamentally different from russia and she can't make compromises for the sake of compromises, someone figured it out, it won't reach anyone either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, and when we struggle, how do you do it absolutely correctly, it's an emotional story, when i was when everyone, it doesn't mean that

this is enough, it's a systemic conversation very cynical, very rational, and if we do not convince at least a part of the non-western world , it will be very, very difficult for us to solve such issues as, for example , putin and his regime were accused of the best option is the same as the operation. well, the best thing for us is to do and put pressure on russia with the whole world, not only the western world, and let's be honest, we won't be able to convince the entire western world to take our side, but the task is at least for us, uh, don't let them interfere and this is not an easy task, and again we will work on it. and for this we need people

, resources, strategies and interaction with our partners. so we are setting ourselves up for a long game, how does such speeches affect those countries that are still hesitating or pretending that they do not quite understand everything like yesterday there was a speech by the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, james cloverly, who called on russia to immediately withdraw its troops from the territory and unblock the black sea. well, he said that we don't have another 500 days for this war to last, how persuasive the british are now and how much they affect the environment including in the organization of the united nations well, and the world as well, mr. sergey, i would also like to say with joy that it has an effect, but in fact

it has a very limited effect or does not have an effect at all , there are several reasons for someone colonial heritage and references to britain and france and these references in the non-western world are not the best, you understand, where in india or in other asian countries, secondly, for many countries, they are of course important. but nevertheless , they try as you and i just talked about to loop and hold er what they call er such unbiased neutrality look at the latest statements of india i know from my communication with er nidel that they discovered the word

ukraine for themselves that they are inspired by us of course not all but nevertheless many but none the less they say at the same time well neutrality is not a priority why and i will tell you a very simple story last week i had a uh very long conversation uh and a very sincere conversation online with one of the leading specialists of the indo-indian security sphere and he told me, do you understand pavel, ukraine is important to us, we see ukraine, we sympathize with ukraine but at the same time , we do not want russia to lose and we talked for a long time, uh, making arguments, building

geopolitical models, but his argumentation it boils down to the fact that a weakened russia means the strengthening of china, but the strengthening of china is a strategic geopolitical thing that india does not want, so when we talk to countries outside the west, we must understand that their motivation may actually be completely different from ukraine, and even looking at us positively , they will be to look at other problems at their own problems at what worries them at what they consider to be a fundamental threat to their national security i can tell you a lot of such stories from different countries but let's not spoil our conversation there, so we need to talk with each country, especially finding political and, most importantly

, emotional arguments, what we say about our struggle, we have to say to all countries, and how we say it, we have to adapt and adjust to these countries, the word "adjust" probably sounds in the best way. but nevertheless, we need different countries, different mentalities and , in the end, different civilizations to hear our emotions, so that this emotion enters, so that they understand that our struggle and our position - it's about values, about independence, and if we stop somewhere, many other things will also stop and the world will be, i mean the whole world worse than uh, it uh could be

and it has to be on the one hand and emotional like me already said, but on the other hand, it is a very, very harsh , irrational conversation, and we need to find this balance , and i hope that this is an example from my conversation with a well-known representative last week. or politics, unfortunately, in this world very often values ​​prevail and we have to find arguments so that, after all, values ​​and there is politics according to our view and according to our understanding, prevailed over them. it is a difficult story . i will be honest. in some things i do not have a recipe for success, in some things it comes straight i will say, and there are results of positive communication. and in some things we need to work further

, ate will be open to all of us with the grain corridor, because now the second act of the play of the russian federation called the grain agreement exiting the grain agreement is unfolding volodymyr zelenskyi said that the grain corridor can work without the russians and from which they left. rather, they did not extend the effect of the grain agreement on july 17. we will hear what zelenskyi said. the black sea grain initiative can and should continue to work . if without russia, then without russia, the export agreement grains - this is a historic and un agreement and it remains valid, the only thing that is needed now is its careful implementation, decisive pressure from the world on the terrorist state, i sent official letters to president erdoğan and

gen. uterish with proposals to continue the work of the black sea grain initiative or its analogues in a tripartite format, since it is the most reliable ukraine, the un, and turkey together can ensure the operation of the food corridor and the inspection of ships, or rather , if at all, to approach this scrupulously , zelenskyi proposes to abandon the agreement with russia in turkey and the agreement with ukraine is a tripartite one, it is valid for the secretary general of the un, the president of turkey and the president of ukraine , that is, to leave one agreement and the other already, and from the other - russia itself left why, mr. pavla putin is resorting to blackmailing the world with food for the second time, everyone can see it, but no one is able to put an end to it, do not negotiate with

putin. because putin behaves aggressively, he seized someone else's territory, he does not let us ukrainians go to court for sports or threatens that they can be shot, well, he behaves like an international a terrorist as a pirate putin is playing the game that we discussed at the beginning of our conversation, it is very important for putin that, first of all, he is not seen as a weak weakling inside russia. they have such a prison mentality, you know, they have a pack what are you doing next? it is very important for putin to write to pressure the west to try to squeeze something out of the west, they are endlessly demanding to ease sanctions

on crimea in relation to the production of goods and so on. and so on they and they will continue to raise the topic of excluding one of the key banks, ros silkhoz bank, from the sanctions, and we understand very well that behind this bank there are the interests of many russian clans, and not only patrusheva, this is such an er obschak. i know, yes, a common history for russia therefore, firstly, putin will continue to play putin wants to sell the extension of the grain agreement, i deliberately do not say the agreement, as far as i am concerned, it is no deal. putin will try to extract at least a part of what he wants and give it as a certain gift when

putin will bargain hard serdians, if he comes in august, i think that in fact putin will try to come to turkey or the day before, x. right political moral military any act without russia will of course continue to strike our parties intercept ships in what way will all this of course affect the increase in insurance rates uh will make uh this whole project much more risky we

talked about countries uh no of the event today and we have to deploy it very consistently and it is very clear to those companies what russia is doing and what we are doing and what is actually what is the real placeholder in this process. i believe that russia's refusal weakens their position weakens the position at least in to the western world, we have to fully develop it, but the logic of what putin is doing is so you actually found it to be cool, the definition is a classic pirate, but not as handsome as john depp in the famous movie, and exactly the opposite, and i think that the speech is grainy and this is the meaning of what we are doing with our partners and allies, and this is the meaning of our independence from today's bandit

russia, we should not ask them what and how we are doing , that's why i don't like this grainy speech i will understand that it is important for our sector, it is important for our partners, it is important for the image of ukraine in the non-western world, and sometimes we have to make difficult decisions for us, both politically and morally. but nevertheless, the less we depend on putin and russia in the implementation of grain corridors, the 100% the reaction of john

kirby, the strategic communications coordinator of the national security council of the united states of america , is even better, but he also spoke about the grain agreement in the context of the crimean bridge. of the bridge led to the fact that putin decided not to continue the grain agreement, he was already publicly inclined to do so, we do not undertake to determine the legitimacy or not of the goals for which the ukrainians are fighting, they are fighting for their country crimea is ukraine and we do not tell them what is legitimate and what to shoot at the legitimate from a legal point of view, they themselves determine the prices, but returning to the grain agreement , mr. tachsel would like to ask if turkey will become the guarantor of this corridor for the passage of ships along this corridor in case the russians suddenly start shooting, as was the case at one time, when the turks shot down the russian planes, well, they shot down the planes there, and there was a scandal

there, mandarins, or did they refuse to buy or tomatoes, something like that, in response to the russians. if suddenly, the turks, turkish ships will accompany our ships and ships of our partners and russia will get involved in this or will this mean that russia will start a war with nato or the turks will never go for it, you and i wanted to analyze the options that are beneficial for us now, but my prediction that putin will agree with zardan it will not be a complete agreement, as putin wants, it is absolutely clear that it will actually be the absolute minimum . but nevertheless, putin also needs this very grain of speech

. putin needs to show that he is generally capable of negotiating with someone and somehow. putin needs at least a partial opportunity to export agricultural products and fertilizers. i think that in general the very fact of achieving any result is important for putin. well, to show on the boyx as well that and therefore i am still not only isolated, but also agree, therefore i see a significant the probability of such an agreement, will we actually agree on what the rda can agree on, not putin's jordan, it is usual to be in close contact with us, the coordination of the position well, he is more of a formal player, some such

legitimizing background eh in this story, so i would be in the place of the turks if not it will be possible to come to an agreement and if putin starts a song about his blackmail there again, he really deployed several warships along the grain route and showed putin who is who, but this is rather less likely, the option will be frank and very in short, if possible, today russia announced that it will supply grain for free. well, if there is no such grain corridor to the global cock, eh. this is how i understand our grain, which is located in the south of ukraine, which they pressed there, they will then distribute eh to african to the countries, i understand correctly. i think that they will not give away anything for free. i'm sorry, bullshit. i think that they will give some handouts to

achieve their goals, but for everything else they will take money. look at them, what are they talking about? some good virtue i i her virtue i wanted to say virtue you told me even better well actually this story is very bad and i perfectly understand the goals of russia regarding the manipulation is not western so therefore we cannot allow this in any way period thank you mr. pavlo you speak now it was pavlo klimkin, politician-diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, friends . we are also conducting a survey live on the espresso tv channel and on our youtube platform. during the war so what do our viewers say

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