[000:00:00;00] we lost many of our comrades there , we simply have to return it american cluster munitions will be ready for use within a few days bakhmut is of strategic importance as a gateway to other key cities of the region well, in the same text of the bbc, colonel oleksandr bakulin, commander 57 of the 1st brigade added that if we put in a little effort, bakhmut will be able to surround our losses in the next offensive, they are less than when we defended the city of p yevgeny, general syrskyi mentioned the american cluster munitions for several days that's why putin commented on this and said that we have never used cluster munitions at all, never like mykola, who , as always, we never allow ourselves to do this, although it has been since 2014, and with the beginning of the great

war of this great war, yes, yes, russians have ammunition in general they are no different from non-cassette ones, they use that the ones that, roughly speaking, that they drove, beat them. and they never make special restrictions specifically on the cassette, so don't lie, and for us , of course, this is a very big increase, because we had a small soviet cluster projectile was already useful literally in the first weeks of this war, but it was during the first week of this war that they ran out during the defense of kyiv , by the way. these last soviet cluster projectiles of ours played a good role. and now we have finally questioned the american and even we have the results of the vilnius nato summit , but i will cynically say here that you will not be the last, but the cluster

munitions at the front are needed for yesterday, because they are not the worst size for me, and i am looking forward to seeing them in action, and here i am i would have paid attention in this interview, which you quoted there, just a contractor as a bunch of quotes about different things and they are all waiting for a matter of honor to win back bakhmut, well, with all due respect to the general, it seems that he is quite deliberately being a little sly here, a matter of honor recapturing any of our settlements is nothing special for the russians, it is artyomovskoe, and the liberation of which became their only such a very dubious one in fact , but at least formally a victory starting from july of last year, they could not capture anything for almost a year and finally for 10 months of fighting and with 100,000 casualties, they pressed the city of bakhmut with a pre-war population of 70,000, well, a huge victory, of course

, but the issue with them is exactly the same as that of ours. i am convinced that if all the decisions were made by the military, they would have already killed the mutts, it is not profitable for them to hold it, and they threw 50,000 soldiers to defend it, 50,000. the flanks are most successful so far from the south because of the pincer. but in the north, where there are fierce battles for the berkhivka, there are also good prospects for us, and here it is very important. this is what the second participant of this interview said about the fact that contrary to military theory ours, who are now in the offensive, have significantly fewer losses than the russians, who are in the defense, and yes. they are less than we had during the defense of bakhmut and the defense before nbasami, and this is a very important feature

of our offensive in general. this applies not only to bakhmut, it also applies, for example we only have half a day, so the enemy in the defense is losing much more than us , well, once one of our public spokesmen there gave the figure 8-10 times. sorry for the insult, well , it's a little funny, not such a difference, but the difference is still very significant and precisely on our advantage, contrary to the theory, it simply means well, you understand, the theory must be understood correctly in the theory it sounds like, all other things being equal , the attacking side loses 3-5 times more than the one in defense. but this is all other things being equal, and we were able to do so that we are better than the russians in a whole range of parameters, first of all, we are talking about much more accurate artillery work, and it is also about the tactics that we use in

our offensive. theirs, and in fact there is now a fight not for mileage. there, it is precisely for who will exhaust whose reserves, and so far we have achieved much more in this sense, and bakhmut is very helpful to us. right now , paradoxically, it is not profitable for us to the muscovites quickly surrendered it to us, we can see that they threw their reserves there for as long as possible so that they were tied up there and thus could not be involved in the main for us in the southern front, therefore we thank the russians for the fact that their decisions are made by political and not military soldiers i will repeat once again, we have already passed bakhmut, but they cannot do it because he is the holy artemovsk, the second officer who was in the interview together with sersky is oleksandr bakulin, the commander of the 57th brigade

. this is for our tv viewers, let me remind you, sir yevgeny, another event that was picked up very quickly by social networks and spread the word about the construction of this unmanned factory in russia, which has already produced a million drones, geraniums , they showed this photo, er, lady who is on the social networks of er, ukraine, that this million was there, then it turned out that it was not the one million and what is there not a million eh but but despite this, the story with the geranium raised a completely natural question what in ukraine with drones with our own we know that the plant is being built and the construction of a beractar in ukraine is already planned and what about ukrainian drones, since i know that there are separate developers, but we have not built such a plant in a year and a half , well, according to the barrectors, the plant is not being built, all the contracts have been signed, the land has been allocated well, but the company biker machina

is still not ready right now to build while at any moment it is due to their investments that some iskander may fly there, that is, everything is ready there, but still it will not be at this phase, but in general, our situation , to be honest, we have peka on the one hand in we have dozens of teams that know how to develop and have developed during this year of the great war a lot of different drones, we also have small observation drones , all based on the same banal chinese beacons, but uh, we also have attack drones with a different radius of action, we have long-range observation and reconnaissance drones, and among the best, for example, stork stork 100 e 100, in this case, the radius is two in kilometers, but the stork 100 is the only one that has become at least a little, but syrian already has its own

analogues of fraudsters, i personally had to be in in some laboratories and companies they are made, that is, we have this happening all this year, there is such a huge hackathon, when a bunch of engineering committees uh, who better than a drone dusts and here they are from literally such garage startups to absolutely already good industrial products and, among other things, that how do we actually get russian objects, er, it's in sevastopol , it's actually this. by the way, the kerch bridge is a hydrone, but it 's drones. everything is our native, this is a positive, and the negative is that, so far, none of the teams , i emphasize, none, has been able to pass the barrier between such a semi-artisan, at best , small-scale production and the production on the conveyor, the production on the stream, so

far, none the team, at the same time, neither private companies nor ukroboronprom, neither these nor these have yet been able to get out of this stage of development and testing of prototypes no, well, at the extremes of the small series, but unfortunately, this is the conveyor , small production, no one has yet been able to scale, but the key problem now is not in the key problem in the development of excellent models is the scaling of production. well, it is clear that there are many questions about what the future of our military-industrial complex will be, because the germans want to build a military plant as well. do you think this will all happen after our victory, or after all, ukraine together with partners, they will establish the production of weapons , well, at the current stage, because it is clear that the stocks of western manufacturers are also not infinite, i would divide here, they produced

repair factories, which is very important during the war at the moment, almost all equipment for us, especially non-soviet models, is being repaired abroad. that is, they have to be transported to poland, to the czech republic, and that to germany, but i think that this will move to our territory, but right now, while we are talking with you, i think that this the production of bc ammunition is already taking place, so we can hope that some of the investors will take the risk even during the war to invest in the production line, if only because the products will be purchased directly from the conveyor, in fact, immediately go to the front that's why you're a bit risky investment, but i think that there will be those who want to. well, as for the production of equipment weapons, that is, you mentioned this project with raid metal at the tank plant, but they seem ready to invest in the repair capacity right now.

production i think that the niche and i think so will be with everyone, that is, it is the big investment in the production of new models that they can go literally in a stream immediately after the war, and during the war there will be investments in repairs and, in the best case, in ammunition some enterprises, the other thing is that no one interferes with the preparation of these projects right now, as with baikar machina, with bai karmah, this is the financial part, but simply at any moment , the start command is given and the finished project is immediately implemented, but no one forbids israel metal to do the same with bayasists, who, by the way, also expressed interest in our market, that is, they are already interested in the world . come to ukraine and you can already do it on victory day. and to actually start construction on victory day. thank you, sir.

yevgeny, thank you for the conversation. it was yevhen, a wild military former platoon commander of the aidar battalion, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social platforms and on the youtube platform , for those who are currently watching us on youtube , please like this video and subscribe to our pages on social networks well, join our survey on youtube. today we are asking you about the justification for repairs and reconstruction of roads during the war, yes, no, your option, if any please write in the comments under this video, we are in touch politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin, mr. pavlo i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, i congratulate you, it is nice to be with you again, mr. pavla, let's start fresh news, the president of the south african republic, gramofosa series e-e, today under oath in court stated that the russian

side promised war to the south african republic in the event that the government of par arrests putin during the the brics summit, which is scheduled for august by order of the international criminal court, because the two countries ratified the rome statute , what do you think this means that russia is already moving to other continents, that is , putin wants to repeat the path of hitler, who also tried to start a war somewhere in tunisia it's true he was defeated i understand your smile mr. sergey, but you perfectly understand that the answer is much more banal , they are simply engaged in manipulations so as not to arrest putin and this is actually

preparation for this, no real war here these against the south african republic cannot be conducted even from the point of view of technical, technological, and human capabilities . the second moment for putin is now a very high-stakes situation. i understand that it would be easier to send some lavrov, and i think that he would not even mind to send, but it is very important for putin to show that he is not a weakling , and to show it inside russia and to show it to a part of the non-western world. so, i think he really wants to go to the summit as a couple, and there

they will try to play different games, something talking about the war and then making some legal decisions, trying to somehow combine one's legal obligations and the desire to sweat, so everything about the war is actually just banal preparation and nothing more, and i think that putin will try to go to this summit, i will try to go personally and just to show everyone that there is no complete isolation of his personality, everything is clear with regard to russia, and for putin this is the only chance for dvadztka. as you know, it will be without putin, but bx is, in my opinion, the only platform

where he can still sweat. well, let's see at least how will it all end? because until august there is still a lot of time, obviously a lot of information will still be thrown into the information space from the republic of south africa. which was called the maintenance of peace and security of ukraine and there were the ministers of foreign affairs of great britain james cleverley of france catherine colon of germany anna lena berkbock, but from those speeches that rang out late in the evening of july 17, some countries continue to be russia's advocate

in the radbezion, this is china, hungary and brazil, and they continue to try to pretend that putin is not the aggressor and that we still need to figure out what is happening in ukraine countries continue to go along with the russian federation, it seems as if everything has already been laid out, everything is already clear, everything has already been proven and, in my opinion, the fact of aggression does not raise any questions for anyone and in general objections, first of all, each of them tries behave differently, they are all difficult, but i wouldn't care about anyone else. each of them is guided by their own cynical interests and conveniences for china

. in fact, it is important that russia be weakened . the children do not want to strengthen it, and i think that in china, many people, both at the expert and political level, do not believe in sustainability and six partnership with russia, what urban is doing , in my opinion, we have already discussed 110 times and there is no need to repeat anything here, he bargains , he plays the game and give me something and then i accordingly, i will do something give me jesus money and then i will somehow change the order of the words of the sentences and everything else here is absolutely understandable and the brazilians play their game for them important priorities for them important

climate change money for brazil for latin america for the non-western world what the western world considers the war in ukraine to be the number one problem brazilians do not like it they would like something else i.e. each of them has their own motivation e each of them has their own problems each of them does not want to adhere to the values approach we perfectly understand this, we will remember but nevertheless, as you understand, they are completely different and this is a very important point that we all have to understand without fail , and we need to work very closely, this is not a task for a day, a week, a month or even

a year this is a task on which to go forward - this is a strategic task. we have to invest resources, first of all, human creativity , interaction with our partners, but also financial resources. we have to explain to the non-western world that ukrainians are not only something and someone who can be inspired it's actually uh a part of europe with its own values, it is fundamentally different from russia and it cannot hmm er make compromises for the sake of compromises someone understood this to someone nowhere neither tomorrow nor the day after tomorrow and when we struggle how you are

doing absolutely right eh this is an emotional story when i was when everyone, this does not mean that this is enough, this is a systemic conversation. sometimes very cynical, very rational, and if we do not convince at least a part of the non-western world , it will be very, very difficult for us to solve such issues as, for example, you wanted me to accuse and putin and his regime because uh. do it as exclusively western history , agree on the best option and the operation. well , the best thing for us to do is to put pressure on russia with the whole world, not only the western world, and let's be honest, we won't be able to convince the entire non-western the world will be on our side, but the task is the minimum for us. let them not interfere, and this

is not an easy task, and again, we will work on it. and for this, we need people , resources, strategies and interaction with our partners. so we are getting ready for the game in long how does it affect these countries that are still hesitating or pretending that they do not quite understand everything, such speeches as yesterday's speech by the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, james cloverly, called on russia to immediately withdraw its troops from the territory and unblock the black sea well, he said that in we don't have another 500 days for this war to last, how persuasive are the british now and how much influence they have on the environment , including in the organization of the united nations well

, and the world, too, mr. sergey, i sincerely i wanted to say with joy that it has an effect, but in fact it has a very limited effect or no effect at all, there are several reasons for some , it is the colonial heritage and references to britain, france, and these references in the non-western world are not the best, as you understand , where in india or in other asian countries countries, secondly, for many countries, you are afraid, of course, they are important. but, nevertheless, they try, as you and i have just talked about looping and keeping what they call such an unbiased

neutrality. look at the latest statements india i know from my communication with nudele that they discovered the word ukraine for themselves, that they are inspired by us, of course, not all of them but nevertheless, many but that is not the case at the same time they say well neutrality neutrality why and i will tell you a very simple story last week i had a very i had a long conversation, er, and a very sincere conversation online with one of the leading specialists in the indo-indian security sphere, and he told me, do you understand, pavel, ukraine is important to us, we see ukraine, we sympathize with ukraine, but at the same time, we do not want russia lost and we talked for a long time, making arguments, building geopolitical models, but his argument boils down to the fact that

a weakened russia means the strengthening of china, but the strengthening of china is a strategic geopolitical thing that india does not want, so when we talk to non-western countries, we must understand that their motivation it can actually be completely different from ukraine and even looking at us positively, they will look at other problems at their problems at what worries them at what they consider to be a fundamental threat to their national security. i can tell you a lot of such stories from different countries, but let's not spoil our conversation there, so

we need to talk with each country, especially finding political and, most importantly, emotional arguments, what we say about our struggle, we have to tell all the countries but how do we say it, we have to adapt and adapt to these countries, the word adapt probably doesn't sound in the best way, but nevertheless we have to different countries have different mentalities and, in the end, different civilizations hear our emotions, so that this emotion comes in, so that they understand that our struggle and our position are about values, about independence, and if we stop somewhere, it will stop and many other things will stop, and the world will be, i mean

the whole world, worse than it could be. and it should be, on the one hand, emotional, as i said, but on the other hand, a very, very harsh , irrational conversation, and we need to find this balance, and i hope that this is an example from my conversation last week with a well-known representative, eh, just not we will call because he is close to the government, that is, there is a political vision that prevails over real values ​​or politics, unfortunately, in this world very often values ​​prevail and we have to find arguments so that, after all, values ​​and politics, according to our view and according to our understanding, prevailed over their difficult history , honestly speaking v in some things, i don't have a recipe for success in some things

, i'll say it directly and there are positive communication results. and in some things , we need to work further . the effect of the russian federation's performance under the name grain agreement withdrawal from the grain agreement volodymyr zelenskyi said that the grain corridor can work without the russians and from which they left. rather, they did not extend the effect of the grain agreement on july 17, let's hear what zelensky said. the black sea grain initiative can and should continue to work if without russia, then without russia, the agreement on the export of grain - this is a historic and un agreement, and it remains valid, the only thing that is needed now is its careful implementation

, i directed decisive pressure from the world on the terrorist state official letters to president erdoğan and the general executive of the hotel with proposals to continue the work of the black sea grain initiative or its analogue in a tripartite format can ensure the operation of the food corridor and the inspection of vessels, or rather , if at all scrupulously approach it , zelenskyi proposes to abandon turkey and the agreement with russia and the agreement with ukraine in a tripartite, it is valid for the secretary general of the un, the president of turkey and the president of ukraine , that is, one agreement should be left and the other already, and from the other - russia itself withdrew, why is it, mr. pavla putin is resorting to blackmailing the world with food for the second time, everyone can see it, but no one is able to put an end to it, do not negotiate with

putin. because putin behaves aggressively, he seized someone else's territory, he does not let us ukrainians go to court for sports or threatens that they can be shot, well, he behaves like an international a terrorist as a pirate putin is playing the game that we discussed at the beginning of our conversation, it is very important for putin that, first of all, he is not seen as a weak weakling inside russia. they have such