[000:00:00;00] began to be actively used since february 28, 2022, with the beginning of the great war, kharkiv was attacked with cluster munitions, taking into account the fact that these are the types of ammunition now and what can be expected in ukraine, oleksandr, on the eastern and southern fronts, well, taking into account the fact that the southern front consists of these large redoubts, which are called surovikin lines, that is, and obviously all these dugouts are concreted there, yes, all this infrastructure was simply created in the south , what can weapons do, what can the ukrainian army in the south do, so, well, on

in the south or in the east, where they were not applied, there is one principle in these ammunitions, they are designed, as the serviceman of the 14th brigade clearly said, absolutely correctly , to defeat the infantry of lightly armored targets. i live a in the trenches well, let's say that the trenches are not concreted, that is, unprotected by means of additional forces, but simply such open trenches and so on. where can these cassettes fall directly and break and hit the enemy's manpower from the point of view of counter-infantry and for example, if we take e-e there in open areas of the terrain or in the immediate vicinity of some trenches, it is a very effective weapon in the trenches because it allows you to actually neutralize plus hit in larger areas than in this case it can

hit an ordinary, er, high-explosive projectile, but actually speaking, this weapon can be effective for this, as for armored vehicles, it has a different type of damage - these are slightly different projectiles, which, as far as we know , are not included in the aid packages that we have received, we are receiving precisely the artillery that is intended for the destruction of manpower in this case. now we are watching on video how the dropping of e-e bombs, aerial bombs, it is of course completely different. it is also aimed at striking well-fortified positions, that is, those that can be concreted or armored vehicles, etc. we are getting a lighter version, which , according to our military, will enable us to destroy a larger number of the enemy in those , say, open areas or in such

trench positions, and so on they go are present. it is definitely a plus if we say this if we are talking about the south from the point of view of the east, if they will be used there , then it will be against those assault groups that russia is actively throwing, because even though it does not have wagnerites, there is a difference for today, including the zeks and other storm z are lynx veterans, other there are private military campaigns, the principle is the same, they recruited there, meaning the content of deprivation of liberty from prison and throw the same assault groups where they try to attack them, such weapons are also very effective there is a bbc interview by oleksandr syrskyi, the commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, where he describes

what is happening in the bakhmut direction , what oleksandr syrskyi says. in general, the whole of last year, defensive battles were introduced there , in fact, the entire large territory is prepared from an engineering plan, there are many strongholds, so all advances are really not going as fast as we would like, in addition the russian troops have an advantage in numbers, especially in artillery, a particularly significant advantage in the possibility of providing ammunition, that is, at the moment we can respond with one shot to 7-8 shots of the russians at this time, all the conditions have been created for us to return this city, but with ten times less losses than before that in general the location of the russian troops at the present time resembles such a bow that is concentrated in bahmut and they are in such a semi-encirclement, well, it is simply impossible not to take advantage of this, it is clear from what has been said

the syrians, after all, the ukrainians do not have enough ammunition, because he says that they are one of our shots, seven, eight of their shots, uh , yours, that’s the west. he deliberately slows down the supply of a sufficient amount of ammunition for the ukrainian army in order for it to go on the counteroffensive and liberate its lands that is, the west is afraid of the defeat of russia, i won't say whether the west is afraid of the victory of ukraine and i will say yes, they are afraid of the defeat of russia, you know well, i am far from thinking that this is being done deliberately , in fact, what are we? i think that there are problems that are simply related to what is necessary produce these projectiles and then deliver them, and with the fact that the problem of the west in this case is that they did not prepare for such a war, and this is really a mistake, this is a false vision, and now

we all see that this is a false judgment because this war is going on, but together however, i think that what general syrskyi is talking about now is probably a continuation of what the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general zuluzhnyi, said in an interview for the washington post, which is also there, let's say in two interviews, in one of them he talked about that that we need more weapons and an air component, we know that in 16 and in general , as it seems to me possible, the calculation of our partners was that the ukrainian troops will go on the offensive and the enemy's defense will begin to crumble and they will begin to retreat much faster than it is for now, what happened was not the case, it went according to plan , which i think was also at least in our command , as far as i know for sure that they will

resist, and today there is active resistance in the mountains, we see that they are really using artillery and other munitions, and we need more in order to destroy them, we, at the same time, with those forces and means, well, our defense forces are working very well, but what else is he talking about? to use, but at the same time, he says in the interview, answering the question, "when will it be possible to release bakhmut?" partners and says see there is to an important place from a symbolic point of view from a strategic point of view because there are junctions that can be cut off by the russians and they will

have big problems help us and it will be a joint victory because we also remember that the entire western press and mass media are they wrote about bakhmut, they wrote about this battle for months, everyone was talking about it at the political event. imagine now, after the statements made by russia about what they captured and then they should go to the dnieper, reverse this situation , release and move on. i think it was b common, which, by the way, would also inspire our western partners to further support us even more, this is what is important to me, this is because of the strength of this interview, to some extent it echoes what general zaluzhny said in the weapon in question. i hope that our partners will react, at least we we see that there is a package from the united states, it is quite powerful for 1.3 billion, where there is also artillery. what is very

important in the context of demining is equipment for demining. there are other types of weapons, that is, they will gradually listen, but i will tell you about fear frankly, it seems to me that some politicians in the west have it in relation to russia, and what will happen to russia , which lost and showed it again. this is what prigozhina’s rebellion showed, an unsuccessful coup attempt, when we saw that even some observers in the west, such as tomos fridman in particular, wrote in the new york times, what is possible? it is better for putin to stay than for someone to replace him, because it will all turn into chaos, and this is a false thing, this is a false statement, and also because, uh , nothing . his entourage in power neither for ukraine nor for the world. thank you, mr. oleksandr. it was oleksandr musienko. we thank you for participating in our program

. until the next meetings, we are working live on the espresso tv channel and also on our youtube platform. for those who are watching us now, please put us live. like this video well, vote in our poll today we are asking you if you want a movie about a povoroznyuk in the country during the war yes no your option be sure to write it in our comments we will read them and for us, it is very valuable what you think about it. further, we are in touch with volodymyr yelchenko diplomats extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united nations in 2015-2020 mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast i am not yet. congratulations, mr. serhiy, let's start with the grain agreement, because it is a top topic in the world media in general

. i understand that we are watching what is happening in the south of ukraine. what or how are they an act of retribution for the crimean bridge today, a russian missile attack damaged the premises of the chinese consulate general in odesa, the building is owned by the people's republic of china. well, i was watching the news feed . i was wondering if there would be a reaction from the official side to this . do you think sisin-pin is ready to forgive putin or not? after all, there will be some kind of reaction or a note of protest from the chinese to the russian federation because , well, the budget is already on the territory of china , to put it diplomatically, first of all, i am sure that there will be a reaction. the question is what

degree it will be. let's say yes and sharpness and publicity, i.e. if all this is done through diplomatic channels and there will be no leaks in the press. if this is done publicly, there will be a statement that will be announced. well, then it will be much more serious . an analogy can be drawn, i don't remember which one it was. when the involvement in kosovo began and the nato coalition began bombing belgrade, and also one of the bombs hit the chinese embassy in belgrade . victims, well, at least among local personnel, if not chinese citizens, and then there was a very, very serious reaction from china and where there was a special meeting of the un security council on this matter, i remember it

perfectly well, we'll see of course the time of the attack, the house informs, it’s not, well, it’s not such a large-scale act, but it’s absolutely clear that it’s a terrorist act, that is, it’s more directed against an ally, so that they don’t say full-fledged, well, you can imagine that they will answer that no one aimed there, it was shot down by ukraine if it didn't crash, it would fly to where it needs to go. so, some debris got accidentally turned on to china, but i think that the reaction will be all the more if you add to it, well, quite so seriously, the critical statement of the chinese side regarding the termination of russia's participation in this grain agreement , uh, well, the chinese expressed not just concern, but quite seriously. well, there were such

, hmm, quite threatening words that this is going on there, security. more if you believe the reports that came from our side that goti had 60,000 tons of earth that was destroyed during the same strike or on the same night, uh, it was earth that was facted. it's already such a direct blow, and i still expect a rather serious reaction from china . well, we may hear about it, even from the fact that later today in new york there is a special session that has been resumed. look , the extraordinary session yesterday was to assess the security of what was in principle dedicated to to such a regular monthly review of the situation in ukraine, as they call it, or conflicts in ukraine , uh, well, that’s the official name, let’s say, although it has nothing

to do with russia’s aggression, but nevertheless , that’s what it’s called, and basically everyone commented on it, uh, no just the current situation in this conflict in the war, and that’s exactly what happened on this day, er , it was the day before yesterday . all this was superimposed on er, well, such a regulatory thing let's talk about the discussion of this issue well, what about the bending of the assembly, which will be today and maybe it will continue tomorrow, because , as a rule, there are delegations of more states speaking at the statue. so, i think there, too, we may hear from the chinese delegation and from other delegations criticism of the gas station of russia, and although well, if you're honest, you know, i respected our hand, but i would say that i

don't expect anything from all these meetings. well, what kind of burden they would put, well, from the point of view of uh, well , such propaganda distribution information so as not to forget about what is happening, all of them are on the territory of ukraine. but nevertheless, you know, there is such an axiom , uh, it does not particularly apply to the activities of the un, that any conflict in the world is happening there and the slavs of graev or cyprus or something in africa if it lasts more than there 2 3 4 years, it gradually begins to fade in the sense of its perception by the international community, that is, i express the price there, this concern is called for by both sides, or well, well, our allies will call on russia to stop all this, our non-allies and more or less

those who are neutral will talk about the responsibility of both sides, so why do you have to stop doing this, that only through diplomacy, negotiations and such . that is, we have already gone through all this dozens and hundreds of times in the banks of other conflicts in the world, and unfortunately it reduces attention, or rather attention, then not everyone knows, they follow the bbc, everyone watches the news, but it reduces, let’s say , practically, the returns from all these discussion meetings, that is, e to stop such a conflict or such aggression. well, it is possible exactly therefore, during the already mentioned meeting of the un security council, which took place on tuesday and had ministerial status, that is, the minister of foreign affairs of some countries , including the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, james cleverly, was there. he said that we cannot allow another 500 days of e- the russian-ukrainian war has been going on and we are calling

on russia to withdraw its troops from ukrainian territory, as in the walls of the oun . such calls from the british, how do they affect other participants, including the soviet security service? to what extent do the british have influence in the security council and in the un , considering the past, the british past, the colonial past, of course, they have an influence on the new, first of all, i would say that the french delegation has a huge influence on the francophone, as they call it, africa, well, their former metropolis is it former colonies or dependent territories in the same way? england influences its former colonies in the same africa. i won’t go to africa, but you know this influence. i wouldn’t

exaggerate it. let's say he is it is also possible, for example, within the framework of the so-called british commonwealth, that is, where, apart from african countries, it is actually a big responsibility that they belong to the caribbean, asian countries, uh, even canada itself, other countries, that is, those who uh, well, recognize certain influences let's say that of the british crown or at least history, and well, such are the originality of the symbols and these countries. i would say that they, uh, jump under some kind of total influence, they were circling, but they listen to the opinions in the diplomatic channels, well, it’s not just out of respect, you know, but there is a very small group that listens to russia, well , there are 4-5 or 6 who always vote for me with

russia against ukrainians, in the case of great britain or this france, that’s not so much dependence, and even more so, there are some sharp ones, this is respect, this is respect for history, respect for the fact that this country brought a lot in terms of civilization to its former colonies. so i would not overestimate this influence, but i should not underestimate it either. i remember in many cases when we just started to promote the so-called crimean resolutions within the framework of those that have been adopted traditionally for many years, it was very difficult for the first two or three years, when the countries still did not fully understand what was happening , we even had such a certain division of labor , that is, and the british delegation and the english and american delegations. by the way, they took on a certain

circle of countries and suggested that we should divide them because 193 is a lot for one ukrainian delegation even at lunch and physically , uh, everyone and to ask for something, even it is technically difficult and takes a lot of time, but we divided these countries into groups , and each of these delegations personally has permanent representatives and their deputies, junior diplomats, they worked hard on this particular circle of the country, so the influence is there. of course, it is all the more so because the british have a lot of information there is all intelligence hmm, they also use it very actively, they share it with their partners, allies or with countries that depend on them in a certain way, and this also gives its results, but i repeat once again that you all know it looks good on the screen

tv when 120 countries spoke out of them, 115 represented ukraine, but in fact, apart from the special pleasure, unfortunately , it does not bring the end of this war closer, another matter is that it brings the total isolation of russia closer, which today is not yet total, but it is getting closer to it, and i hope that we will live until the day when they will simply throw out the un and the council without the un security council , in particular, with children, the right of veto, and the whole world will breathe a sigh of relief after this happens, that's why everyone discussions, discussions, special meetings, emergency sessions, and where is the security, which bananas did not seem so boring, which does not bring a tropical result, this is all work in the direction of isolating fatal russia and uh , this is exactly that, that is, the throwing out of russia and the un should be like this

, you know, the ultimate or final goal, which will help a lot not only to ukraine but to all other countries, eh well, putin's isolation is appearing , because this week it became known that he is not flying to the brics themselves, before that amophosa said the president of the south african republic that russians say they are threatening war, suddenly the south african republic will arrest putin. russian propagandists have an answer to why putin did not go to bricks . presidents of south africa who do not actually obey the president, he has a conflict with the president of south africa and he came up with this bullet to explain why putin will not come, well

, that is, everyone wants to kill putin. well, in principle they don't do anything with terrorists here, a commentator on a russian tv channel went a long way with arguments on any topic, just tell him on which topic he will come up with a campaign for you, and in fact putin is afraid of it. remember, he is. in general, it's been at least a year , at least he's nowhere i didn't go, you know, everything will end with the fact that even uzbekistan is already there on some kind of trip to china, i'm afraid that it won't be so easy for him to decide to go, that is, except for minsk and maybe tehran, there is no place to go, he's afraid. well, you can also cook him go but to india on the big 20 and piskov themselves said that putin is still thinking about whether to go there or not. as far as i remember, india is the rome

statute and cannot arrest putin, although maybe you know. you know there is such a french saying well, let's say it in the ukrainian language, no comilfo, the former late minister of ukraine, mr. anatoly zlenko, used it very much, no comilfo, that is, you know. well, he gets up somehow so unpopular , it’s not beautiful to do something, that is, to talk to putin, no comilfo, that is, he is a human, eh you know right away, not only in this proud man under arrest. but in all countries , they watch the news. they read the press, they have their dose of information, they see here, here, here, you and prigozhyn, this so-called rebellion also worked. they see that this person is losing

authority, losing control in one's own country becomes simply unfashionable and ugly to talk about serious topics with it, well, except for lukashenka, and the ayotila of the iranian president, especially no one wants this anymore . and you see the russians are trying in every way. well to somehow notice all this, that is, they really don't like this lack of normal communication, i remember the times when there was no day when either putin flew somewhere or went on a visit or someone was in moscow to meet with him, today there is neither the first nor the second er, even tsn itself, but i don't remember when the last one of them took place

, because even themselves and the cis, especially not. there is something wrong to say that putin or the russian authorities do not like the emergence. this is the step-by-step isolation of russia, gradually less contacts , less opportunity to agree on something with someone . well , we have already stopped calling him. he rested every day, they called him about something unknown, they tried to talk about representatives of the cis countries, there was an annual economic forum in st. petersburg, and there was one lukashenko, as far as i remember, there were also some representatives of african countries there, and the russia forum should take place very soon er africa and i understand that after this situation that arose around the er rout or let's say russia's strikes on er ukrainian

ports and along the grain corridor i understand that part of the representatives of africa also probably won't come to this forum either this is exactly the point, on the one hand, i understand that this st. petersburg summit was conceived as an alternative to participation in brics, that is, i did not go there because 20 or more presidents of ukraine, the ministry of radicals, will come to us there, but now i agree with you here many of them may suddenly become ill or engage in some other business. second, just a few hours ago, i came across the news in the foreign media that the minister of foreign affairs of kenya made a very harsh statement regarding the shelling of the odesa pot due to russia's exit from the new agreement. well the word terrorism was missing there , and that’s how it was, first of all, it was a country that

tried until the end to maintain such a balance, for sure, it was never pro-russian, but it wasn’t really that way, and it was all time is the main one in ukraine, and now it probably has already become, and kenya is one. well, of the three, four, five, possibly most influential african countries, the country is a rather stable, economically developed country , it is listened to and looked at. i think that such a statement by kenya is will attract a similar reaction from many other american countries, and even under such conditions, going to st. petersburg for this summit will be the most uncomilfo and it will be another step towards further isolation . conversation we work live on the espresso tv channel as well as on our youtube platform . now we are conducting a survey there

, we are asking you if ukraine needs a movie about povoroznyuk, 90% said no, nine percent said yes, and five have their own version of the answer here are the voting results. this was the verdict program. thank you all for your attention. goodbye, the third hellish night for the south of ukraine. the russians say this is a continuation of revenge strikes for the attack on the crimean bridge. let's talk about it today - this is bbc ukraine. i'm olga palamarchuk after the statement russia's withdrawal from the grain agreement, the southern regions came under attack for the third night in a row, the russians bombard odesa and mykolaiv regions with attacks, ports with grain terminals , civil infrastructure, what are they trying to achieve and whether they will move from threats to real actions against merchant ships heading to ukrainian ports, and whether they will be able to russia