[000:00:00;00] heroes represented today in the ukrainian parliament who took part in hostilities from the 14th to the 19th year, i am also convinced that after the war there will be a very high demand for such military personnel who, with their concrete actions and heroic geological exploits, have imprinted in the public consciousness that they should be represented in all echelons of power, from the legislative to the executive branch of power, mr. vasyl, i have a similar question to you about

what you see the role of our defenders is already for now and until our victory, which will certainly come after the victory, including in the reconstruction of ukraine, in the renewal of ukraine in and upgrade what can this role be, these roles, in order to understand the role of the defender in the future reconstruction of the state, i will allow myself to give as an example a few surnames, for example, miguel de cervantes is ernest hemingway, this is john roel tolkien, this is the most outstanding person of european and world literature. what unites them is veterans - they are participants of the greatest warriors of their time and they are people who changed their consciousness not only their generation, with man, the consciousness of many generations not only of their own states but also the states of the world throughout the history of them was after them, and i hope that sooner or later and the ukrainian veteran environment it will give birth to those works that change the consciousness and perception of ukraine in the world, and if

we go to the world of ukraine. to social to political life and we now see that a considerable number i found the number of state positions held by the deputy corps. people who were involved in the axis of russian aggression in 2014-2021 include ministers, deputy ministers, people's deputies, heads of local administrations and heads of regional military administrations. that is, the process is gradually progressing, but as mr. fedir very aptly pointed out, it will be a multifaceted process

. veterans have not turned into yet one veteran symbol did not turn into john rem, because in the work of john george morel, he is not so much a superhero as veterans who, for one reason or another, are not offended by their own state, and it is interesting that there is a phrase that, when they turn to him and ask, what would you like the state to do with you, it would be very well presented . ukrainian defenders after the victory, they should be integrated as widely as possible into all manifestations of life and ukrainian civil society, the public sector, education, military-patriotic education, let's talk fantastically about the ways in which this can be achieved, this is actually a question for you, mr. vasyl, for you, mr. fedorov, well, vasyl, you agree, please, let's continue. no, let's go ahead, it will be a better question, how can

we ensure this future for veterans in politics, in particular, state-building in other sectors, that is, we understand that people will return from the war, it will be necessary to conduct some kind of news, they must participate in some kind of preparatory programs, some kind of training, how to involve them, how to motivate them for this, and the most important thing is that they perform the function of not just a screen so beautifully.

they will understand that he is a veteran defender, he does not have to perform any function, he has fulfilled his duty and he has proven his effectiveness, his understanding of his role by the fact that he has already defended his own state, and then the process of his socialization really begins there, psychological adaptation must take place there, this is social adaptation to veterans, veterans should not be offered benefits , they should be offered, well, let's say this , fishing rod, they should be given the opportunity to create their own firms. have housing loans they have the opportunity to get an education, in fact we have to repeat the so-called soldier's pain about rights that was in the united states of america after the end of the second world war when veterans did not receive any benefits, but they were simply given crazy opportunities and these crazy opportunities led to the fact that how the united states of america changed and ukraine should also change after the victory, the veterans should become the source and opportunity of this push for this development p fedore well, i am

completely with mr. vasyl, first of all, the problem social adaptation of military personnel and those who participated in hostilities, this is a problem faced by practically all countries that have ever fought and or whose military personnel participated in hostilities. therefore, this is the number one problem. all military personnel must be convinced of this and feel, most importantly, psychologically and emotionally that there is no barrier between them and those people who were in peaceful conditions, let's say conditionally in peaceful conditions there in the rear areas in the core regions of ukraine there is no difference between them, it is the first and the second

still, i think that they should get the job again, mr. vasyl, opportunities for more active social self-realization, these opportunities should be provided in the educational process, and by the way, the legislation of ukraine on education provides for certain broad opportunities for veterans to receive, at the expense of the state budget, a higher education at otut on preferential terms , a higher professional education there, and i think that the servicemen are freed from this right after our victory in reserve. the committee on education and educational activities, we are negotiating together, we are discussing that it is necessary to create some other appropriate courses that will ensure the adaptation, socialization and acquisition of some professional skills for those who want to participate in those areas, and i will give a very simple example, what we talked about with you is, by and large, those military personnel who, from the first days of the war, took part in repelling aggression there from the fourteenth year and up to the present

time, they and those who got to er for example, in our country, if you take the deputy corps, hero of ukraine and ihor gerasimenko, he understands the whole problem, the main problem is that the territory of ukraine is very explosively contaminated by explosive objects, and he was an ideologue who initiated the legislation on countermeasures, which today is a very well-known platform that can allow a lot of military personnel who have relevant experience in the military accounting specialty to join this process and be embodied already in the direct cleaning of our earth from such polluting contaminated explosives, therefore there are a lot of different options that i think will be implemented on this and the relevant specialized committees of the parliament and the ministry of veterans affairs draw all this that we understand that it is necessary to ensure the integration of these servicemen into public life as fully as possible, and we are engaged in this mr. vasyl, if we have already talked about demining, we

can also add here, in fact, the defense sector of our anti-aircraft missile defense system, if we are talking about these areas in particular which are probably the closest eh for our military personnel for those who went through the war eh and are going through it now eh sacrificing sometimes the most precious life and health ah in these areas how deeply integrated and useful they can be i will talk about what i understand ah mr. fedir said that there is an initiative on demining the territory but we should also have an initiative on distinguishing consciousness eh unfortunately demining territories is much easier than demining the consciousness

of our citizens, and that's exactly what veterans should become with this driving force we talk a lot there about military-patriotic about national-patriotic education precisely veterans should get the opportunity to teach in schools not only there military disciplines they should become teachers of history in the ukrainian language, physics, mathematics, whatever, that is, these people should carry the ukrainian idea and practically implement it in all elements of public life, that is , ukrainian veterans should be present in all spheres of the state's life, and when i was still working as a minister veterans came in now the doctrine of barrier-freeness is already in effect, which is taken care of by the wife of the president of ukraine - this is a very interesting project because barrier-freeness is not only about ramps or elevators, barrier-free - this is a much more complicated situation, and it is precisely our veterans, veterans, who after the war have to get into a society in which there will be no barriers for

them, e . if they want to be in the military, that is, they have fully integrate into society, society must fully use them, gentlemen, if we understand that this topic is so large-scale and that it is necessary to focus on a certain point separately, of course, mr. fedor, the most important thing is what the state should do. at the beginning, we said a very interesting thesis like

this. and so when people return from the front, what should we focus on now, so that they feel that they are needed here, that they want to be involved not just in some work there, but in the state formation, that they are the current elite, which should, in particular, help ukraine move in the direction for which, in particular, they fought , well, in order to involve them as much as possible in all state-building processes. human rights, but i will emphasize once again that those veterans, those who return from the battlefields, they are perceived differently by society, so i think that they will have the opportunity to have the support of society when elected, for example , to certain representative authorities

of local governments. there are a lot of veterans of the deputy ministers, including those who were there from the first days of 14th year and those who are already in these 500-3 days, 504 days of the war, and they now have very good opportunities to enter the public service, where they are expected and the state is now as tight as possible. and at our committee on issues of national security and defense and intelligence, they discussed. well, for example, there is a problem with territorial centers for staffing social support, where there are certain corruption risks, and the initiative is very good to appoint officers who have experience of combat operations, who were injured there, who are unfit due to their health, to the positions of heads of these centers, and who are unfit for further military service, and we

can multiply this to any other spheres of social life and to any other areas where they can be useful. thank you. let's hope that it will be possible to implement all these wonderful initiatives. fedirvenislavsky member of the committee on matters not related to defense security and intelligence joined our broadcast. thank you for your attention, vasyl. and you are also a historian , if i am not mistaken

. the most effective, in fact, any a successful war of independence, it led to the fact that the military was involved in the creation of the state. well, not to go too far. last week, one of our most prominent partners, the united states of america, celebrated independence day. george washington became the first president of the united states of america. george washington was a general, a man who won the war of independence for the united states of america. if you take ukrainian history there , the state of bohdan khmelnytsky and the cossack state was actually created by the army. by them it was created cossack layer and which not only took care of the military affairs, but which took care of education and culture and political life as well, we can actually take any country. this will also be germany, where for a very long time the existence of the state completely coincided with the existence of the army, this is great britain, where we can say that any political figure of great britain or any influential

social figure was somehow connected with the british of the army, so this is exactly what mr. fedir was talking about in the use of experience veterans for the formation of ukrainian statehood, modern statehood, it will be simply invaluable and it will be a big mistake not to use it, mr. vasyl, then you can have one more question similar to the one we asked mr. fedor, how should society communicate, how should it promote and help veterans, because we understand that many of them will return, er, well, some will return , some will return, some will definitely return, some will definitely come back with fears, and we talked about this with mental er-er mental questions, disabilities

a- and someone simply because he is honorary a maybe they will also doubt and not want how society and the state should communicate with him, so that they were involved in the processes of state formation and they felt the role and the importance of this role that will be assigned to them

. people who were a society that passed certain tests. and then they come back to it. the question is that the society and the veterans must accept each other for the sake of some higher goal. why exactly did the president propose these points for our vision of victory, that is, the society of veterans, we have to agree with ourselves that this should become the so-called great agreement society and states talked about that in the 18th century in ukraine , due to certain circumstances, this did not happen, but because of this, great britain, france and the century came. germany is all the most democratic states and now we have to talk about the fact that without a doubt our great war for independence must end with our new great social contract when society, veterans and the state will agree among themselves on how we will continue to live so that we can create something completely new and not repeat many mistakes of the past that cost us our own statehood and millions

of lives responsibility for the future of our country on veterans who will return from the war zone to involve them in the creation of the state, and it would be great if they have a desire for this, and if, for example, a person who returns simply wants support and simply that the state provides her with the opportunity to do something she loves there, but in these fields , again, to what extent should society accept and help these veterans adapt simply to ordinary everyday life, this is absolutely, again, absolutely normal and the desire of veterans an absolutely normal function for society, we accept

a person who was in our society, we accept a person who did everything for this, so that this society existed and, er, to create this, about what i said that opportunities should be created for veterans, not benefits, but opportunities, if he wants to do business, please, he does business, if he wants to go into public service, he should have all the opportunities if he wants to do, uh , artistic activity, shooting films , writing books, working in a museum, uh, being and any activity that is socially useful, for which the society or the state is responsible for it. he must get an opportunity for this, this is what they ask, what is the question? what is it like in polytech in politics, there is a doctrine of open doors and equal opportunities, this is how it should be for our veterans. they should have the opportunity to realize themselves , the opportunity to heal their mental psychological injuries , the opportunity to rehabilitate, the opportunity to realize their vision, the opportunity to realize their political energies, we

are talking about an opportunity, and this is exactly it. the state should give opportunities, and the state and the state should provide society should support. i would say yes to vasyl, but the first thing that our soldiers face now is when they return, what do veterans face when they return, so that we understand, because um, when you weren't there, when you weren't at the front, when you weren't at the front, you don't know everything . it

affected many cities and towns many people who have never even bothered to see her in their lives and i think that precisely this will lead to the fact that, unlike 14-15 years ago, a significant part of ukrainian society will understand our veterans much better . what are they with they left this society, that is, the war changed them, and now they are. after this war, well, i am not saying that they have, but they have the opportunity to change society. that is, it will be either the vigilante movement, uh, society does not uh, let veterans shut down, they have problems of their own fears, they need to be helped to return to their own lives, at the same time, there is no society to ignore their problems, their fears, as well , veterans have well, maybe it will be difficult for them to understand that not everyone in society

, uh, feels what is happening at the front are happening at the front or were happening but again this is absolutely well if you can say that it is a normal usual situation for a society going through a war is any society any state it was going through the period when the soldiers were returning to the society before there to their towns that may not have experienced the war there and the process of social adaptation must gradually take place, which is what he is talking about and here again we have to use the experience of our partners, for example the same united

states of america, the largest budget of this state the ministry of defense has the second largest amount of funds, this is the budget of the ministry of veterans. that is, the state understands the problems, the state understands the problems and the opportunities that are provided to society by veterans , and the ukrainian society must understand this, and the society must understand that veterans should be considered. it will be necessary to take them into account . it will be necessary to respect veterans. to the defenders and veterans that we have the opportunity to wake up in the morning and in particular to host this broadcast. thank you, vasyl pavlov, the head of the expert group of military relations with the public of the dictates of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communications of the ministry of defense, was with us

. we congratulate the organized brigade named after the head of the basket ivan sirko glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, mr. yuriy, we are talking about the future, we are talking about the time when all our defenders will be able to return home and the question will arise about what place in our society they will be able to occupy if they want and which one.

the veterans, after all these tests that they went through at the front, and let's say that taking a certain part of the responsibility for the future of the state is already in the context of politics there, and in general the vector of development of the president's geopolitical fenistil is absolutely correct and timely, the only thing i would like to focus on is that we should not talk exclusively about the country of the future, what will happen after the victory and about the path of the veterans, we should talk about the ukraine of today, what happens to our military after being wounded, how it works to the military hospital commission if they give the necessary certificates to obtain the appropriate disability and what circles of hell one has to go through in order to prove one's status prove one's status in some places to pass a properly organized commission and so on, there are a lot of bureaucratic different procedures, a lot of certificates, they are all in different places, the legislation changes periodically, the executors on the ground are not always material and can professionally provide advice or help according to which

algorithm this or that military serviceman receiving on or during demobilization should move, that is why it is worth concentrating on the present and working out the algorithms for the recognition of the provision of assistance and the provision of social guarantees to veterans today will give us a perspective and a solid foundation so that after the victory this system has already been honed and everyone can count on the help of the state and also ukrainian society, mr. yuryu, you are now talking about the fact that the state must first encourage veterans to this dialogue and show their respect in particular

through the work, the correct work of the state institutions of the same physical therapy that you started talking about, and about these commissions that determine the degree of the veteran's disability, and what kind of treatment should be given to him, and in what way, and i understand absolutely, and we support you in this . that's for sure. the ministry of digital transformation in order to be able to convert half of the certificates into a digital format and receive them

remotely can't stand even after the injuries in the queue, maybe it will be put on the minuet, let's see who will be determined as the executor. war to civilian life and here harm there issuance of certificates or provision of medical assistance or confirmation of status here include various support programs after the end of the war or demobilization business lending here it can be safely said that part of the responsibility is the state and part of the responsibility and local self -government bodies, respectively, we have a balance star local self-government to move in unison so that in the right way you can only one reliable system that can give early feeling that he is cared for it is very important and that they do not create obstacles to it but comprehensively contribute to it, and this work, as far as i know, is already underway today, trying to find an algorithm to reduce and simplify a complex bureaucratic system, and there is a unit commander who must tell you frankly. unfortunately, in my unit, there are also wounded and unfortunately there are already those who are no longer with him, the procedures for rehabilitation are extremely difficult, and we

are looking forward to the fact that this system will finally go much faster. if we talk about local self-government , i am attached to the work groups just by integration of veterans but i will say frankly that i am familiar with the results and at night he adds his proposal that it was necessary to optimize what support to get from the state because all the rest of the time is occupied directly by the two of them and i cannot fully work on it 100%, but it is very nice that my colleagues hear and a number of proposals from me were taken into account in the future and will be implemented immediately . you must have communicated with these same brothers after mr. president offered to join veterans a and b, including those who