[000:00:00;00] well, in the 22nd year in russia, they tried to create this militia, nothing came of it, but how can it be in belarus, or will they find 150,000 volunteers. as far as i understand it, there must be volunteers who will sign up for the militia, are there uniforms for this, or money for this, or food for this, are there ammunition for this, or machine guns for this, and so on and so on, how do you look at these 150,000 0 is this a real army? militia. is it that simple ? did the so-called leader of belarus come up with something? well, you

are right that this is an attempt to find nadiya has such a heart and that's what 150,000 people will support him and take weapons lessons that will be given to them is to direct weapons surprise lukashenka and direct them against him e-e no enemies, here he will oppose those who have hands e-e well super skovoyom giving up to fight and these will be found well some number will be lost of course yes it is the same motherfuckers who e-e well one way or another his they support some of the careers considered in some of the polls for money, some are afraid for their

family, i am there when i provide games and so on so, well, 150 for me, 150, and there will definitely be a few thousand. another question is, one way or another, cigarette fighters. who will it be? well, i think that it will be. there were pictures, yes, such bellied men. yes, it’s my first time there. others after the army are holding automatic weapons. that’s it. well, i can’t do anything for them. there won’t be any meetings for them. so, my colleagues will already be enrolled in this militia. yes, but there are no such soldiers . after all, they are needed in order to fight against any possible internal disturbances from belarus, there is no who is going to fight for it, by and large, russia is doing everything, but if there are internal protests against the lukashenko regime, and it is certain that the yorkish regime will fight, for example, you know very well that what you say says what is actually happening in his head, these are different realities, he knows for sure that he will not fight, but he has an internal enemy

. by this the same is the meaning of the militia, yes, and the meaning of it lies in the fact that it will be forced to shoot moderates, khorol, well, in fact, who are we going to get for this ? and they are preparing to fight against them

a normal belarusian army super-tsa map super special forces supersikoutsu which will still be supported by lukashenko and here they are released to meet them and in these ghettos, well, in fact, in fact, ordinary residents and the story begins to look completely different when in this peaceful residents processed propaganda yes stitched they say no to you and we will stand up no we are not alone yes and you will not pass yes you want to shoot at us no yes and of course it will be psychologically difficult yes this is and again purely lukashenkov what a tactic you will put up a shield, you remember yourself and your potential enemy in the form of absolutely not innocent peaceful horrors, mr. pavla. and you drew exactly what you discussed with vitaliy about what my next question would be, but and if you really imagine this picture, what will be the reaction, the people's militias are coming towards them, and the people's militias are coming, and the people's militias know that there are people 's militias. tells me that, for example, the people

of kalinov will not go, will not go to surrender captured by the militia, but it turns out that they can go and surrender themselves to the kalinovites, that is, i like this moment of a personal meeting. well, i hope that will be the case, and now we will see what the militiamen will do next to it. yes, they will not properly assess their chances of surviving and uh, they will not. they will not read to shoot, but we are not leading. they went to shoot at the russians. yes , of course it sucks. find out which of them is bigger similar to the militia a-and who is more similar there to the knees yes a-and we are water mental ideologically it is absolutely opposite forces of course yes but in fact well it will be net like this civil war and here it is interesting that lukashenko who a-a brags about the fact that he stopped the russian civil war and saved russia, this is why blood will be spilled and

he is organizing a potential exactly the same in belarus i am sure that putin certainly no one will be called to enter there because of the conflict, mr. pavlo, you will go more clarification is very important, it is important that there were skirmishes or skirmishes between the wagnerites and the belarusian border guards, what was it, the editors told me everything , is this true, or were there really any problems? prove -tonal here is nychuvali

, it seems to me that it fits absolutely well that's what we talked about with you, the great mattress, yes, and the fact is that not all belarusian troops are absolutely normal, absolutely calm, and they will treat wagnerism, who have now come to belarus, who are not subordinate to lukashenko, they are not subordinate to any belarusian officers. y

disturbance by meat dwellers and russian soldiers, why didn’t the conflict happen? you remember the wagnerites and, well, let’s say the part of the belarusian soldiers who were being replaced, which are a-ah, well, i don’t accept colonial status . natural vaisovtsy who were simply fulfilling their duty. that's what it is so that i think that this is absolutely real, it absolutely cannot be fiction. well, if we continue the topic of colonization, then it seems to me that we should not ask ourselves. and why do some volunteers from the kalinovsky regiment who fight on the side of the armed forces of ukraine generally believe that they will fight with the belarusian army, they can fight with the russian army, then you say that putin will not call anyone if there is a conflict, i will convince you

and he will call teri went and will be this to bomb the column, it will reach 20 km, and it will remain one memory. putin will fight for belarus, not as lukashenko fought for russia, but with the use of all his armed forces, as he will do it in the 20th year, well, of course, while putin is strong, there are hopneiki resources. on the 23rd and 24th, there was one meshan and kalinovtsev, and in principle, i believe that the belarusian diplomatic forces are so serious the weakening of putin that he refuses yes, that he will have problems that he will have to heal his own skin and then lukashenko will be alone with the internal enemy with those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of protesters who are not protesting today, as i have hidden here from the external enemy that is pouring out now outside the borders of belorussia in ukraine with war money zagartovuetsya otychnuyu yes let's say so but eto me menshe

voyskoy preparation see such a hypothetical the question will definitely be a political answer, because the question comes from the head and not from reality. look, if you were to suddenly imagine a social survey in belarus today, suddenly imagine that it was possible and if it were close to some kind of conditional objectivity, and you would ask for friendship with russia. are you against friendship with russia, are you for a single state of belarus and russia ? not only is

an honest sociological survey conducted but and also, for example, some time has passed for people to take a little rest from terror. yes, a little bit, not a little bit, they would be convinced that nothing will happen to them for this, that they will write or say what we are there for or against, so that you say, well, look at such a question, in principle, it is perplexing. 30% that's how we can refuse the problem of sociological polls in belarus today что поражаются

refuse yes, the sociologist calls yes and they agree to refuse only 5% of the respondents here 95 simply refuse eh отказывать yes well, we understand why i don't refuse to refuse because now they want to let it be anonymous yes well but i think that you will heal them with prayer but i don't want to say refuse what i don't think yes they don't want to me someone found out it's warm and they don't want surprises for this opinion it will be a refusal normal nutrition and will be refused not 95%. well, there is a normal amount with a standard one sociologically, yes, 20-25%, yes, i think that this is only, well, it doesn’t change, at least we will work hard, i think that 30 percent will carefully speak about russia, about beets for energy, and so on. and there is a percentage of 40-50 will speak for european integration, because uh , propaganda. they are waiting for them in russia who have lost their lives. yes, and you understand well, those are waiting for them in

the european union. yes, the european union has a healthy life. together, not at 10, but two easier ones at once, one more question, as far as i understood, are you currently in poland? yes, in poland, yes, this is an important question. please tell me how much the polish press and the polish media discuss these arrests of agents of the russian federation on the territory of poland, because if every month one is caught, then 10 are caught, then two and a half are caught

. after coffee, well, on conspivy, which is not visible i don't understand polish very well. i also listened to what they were saying at the neighboring tables, but oppression is what it is. well, for example, today's news is about the fact that they were detained in zhopul. well, in the window yesterday, not the day before yesterday, a total of 22 spies were detained, well, they are suspected of espionage, but they are from belarus. from russia, yes, i think that this is naturally more than the final russians, but there are a certain number of belarusians among these people. в чем это свечтајеста всё это бадчаю преса тому что сегодня темы да что is fighting in the east a-a and again wagner otse yes what uh yesterday we went to training near brest there from the test site to the polish border 4 km here are nuclear weapons yes that's all polyakova is very worried and uh he forces the authorities polyakov is a packer and a bagman forced all the time cossack we are sending more polish soldiers they are on the border with belarus yes and we are sending equipment there and so on and so on because this is a church every day i don't go to konchepionov, just every day yes, but

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. the grain of the agreement is a great topic of the week countries will convince putin that he does not want to quarrel with china, which received a third of this convergence. nobody has convinced anyone, not only that they left the grain agreement, you know everything, that is half the trouble, relatively speaking. one could imagine that they will return to it after some maneuvers, but they literally destroy odessa every evening of every day, and it may happen that they will return to the grain agreement, but it will not be, er, they are doing it all with absolute certainty, where would this first say, well, if it were not quite an agreement i have

even the tongue does not return and the classic agreement and call it, well, let’s call it an agreement, secondly, well, it was obvious that putin needs to show internally that he is not weak, and actually not a weakling, as they call it there, and it is necessary to show that he can extract some concessions from the west from those who can put pressure on the west, and he needs this story to be personal. this story is needed by his entourage. in the context of volumes and in the context of the balance of prices, since the grain yes speech still allows you to balance prices and if you look at the forwards in recent days, when russia began to brutally bombard other infrastructure on board, then the forwards actually rose somewhere by $20, somewhere in fact more, and this poses

a non-trivial question that i have already asked several times, but at the previous stages . rdans critical relaxations for sanctions will work through others. well, for example, there is swift on rossilkhozbank, for example, fertilizers, for example, schemes. for example, if it is not possible to cancel the bank's treasure, then we will use other related banks, and such conversations are being held, and if we do not lose now and the prices have risen, then can't we logistically bring enough grain across the western border through the danube, and this will actually ensure our interests and neutralize the negative consequences of this grain

agreement, and i really do not like it conceptual, because i believe that asking russia for permission in something, and in particular regarding the grain agreement, is a bad precedent now, the president in a broad sense, of course, not in a legal sense, but also a bad example for the future, because russia will manipulate it. well, the last thing for putin, for the kremlin, eh, to somehow admit that they do not control the black sea or a part of it means a fundamental geopolitical connection , and this is how they will perceive it eh, of course, the west itself, but also a large part of the west

and the lack of control over the black sea later the minister will return to the kremlin, look, let me start with what you just said, economists and financiers are writing that the black sea can turn into the dead sea after russia said that it would consider all vessels a military target, then ukraine said approximately the same thing, don't forget that there is kazakh oil and russian oil in tuapse and the price of oil boats runs very tight, but insurance will rise after these two statements to such an extent that it will become completely

unprofitable for anyone and this the important point is that okay russia will hinder us in grain and grain, but we will hinder russia in oil. it is not known who is worse off. in principle, some kind of pressure is possible here. it is some kind of game because people who are engaged in business insurance, they say that the time will come very quickly when not a single boat will enter the black sea with oil or grain. it does not matter. but this and this will mean huge losses for russia, and for russia, i will tell you why the oil that goes through the straits is important for the world market. there is russian

oil, but a large part and actually more half of the oil from kpc is precisely kazakh oil, and if there is a blow to one stenker, prices will jump, and at the same time, inflation will jump, this will affect the rates of central banks, so i think that this fundamental is not in the interests of the west, it is not in the interests of the united states, and i think that even if they understand the need for us to get leverage, they will not be happy

. as for tanks, i don't i think that fundamental danger will increase and insurance premiums will increase. although this is quite likely, i do not rule out that there will be some kind of provocation or operation under a foreign flag to actually create a situation of a kind of impasse, and then from this situation, when it will affect the world oil market, start with coal, but in the literal sense, question tanker traffic. i think that this is not a part of the game that our partners and allies will welcome, as for the rest teafipu, yes, i agree with you, but then the question a arises how to divide 100% well, the so-called e-e is safe in quotation marks but afika is not completely safe in quotation marks wheelbarrow and this is where pandora's box begins, which will surely open at some point, well, this is in the case that someone will actually attack the ships as they cruise in the black sea, that after the official statement there will be some actions, but please tell me in e-e, do you understand and so-and-so the president of turkey, who convinced him there that he and putin share common views that he will come to an agreement with him. and now, in fact, he is trying

to shift the responsibility for that point grain agreement with the west. i say that this event has some conditions for russia to fulfill, although the west has basically fulfilled everything that russia wanted. by the way, i think that the strategy is not quite clear today. he wants to be unique in the sense of mediating mediation between the events of russia. he believes that he is the only one who can effectively conduct a conversation both there and there, since turkey is part of the west or membership in nato or involvement in many processes, but jordan positions

turkey as a part of the west at the same time and not this is not a binary logic of the west, and this has always been his strategic priority. i think that he will continue to negotiate with putin. i think that he has not abandoned the idea of ​​a grain agreement. he understands that the status quo of a grain agreement is impossible. in fact, everyone will understand this, but he definitely did not reject the people of another status quo and maybe not only for the grain agreement

. and the status quo is exactly that rdan's logic is here, it's enough, it's clear, the minister, look, there were such conversations. what do you say about them, what can it be ? maybe through croatia, a shorter way , there already where there are , where there are no russian troops, so let's say this an option, in principle, could be a multilateral agreement with two nato countries, bulgaria, romania, and we are along the road, one part through the danube, and the other part can be through the varna, this is how i imagine it is just ordinary, but it all needs to be counted, we can now have tens of thousands or 10,000 through the danube, or 10,000 + if we use other directions, for example , constance, or well, we have to understand how much transshipment costs, where the grain then goes, and