[000:00:00;00] i was a difficult teenager. i was still in the second grade when i put a chase and a white-tea-white flag on my backpack. and it was the second grade that i was dragged by the director of halyna. people are shit. hello, i hope she is no longer in this world and started me. there was a little scalar there, for example, on you, what is the kdb calling? how are you there at all, what did you not care about ?

struggle for statehood for the subjectivity of the belarusian state, where would you like to hang such a flag? i would like to hang this flag on the house of the government, this is our uh, the belarusian parliament. yes, i don't have a balcony on my balcony. and here it is, in the center of the building where the independent belarusian parliament will sit. it would be a matter of pride for me to do it with my own hands. it is such a historic moment and i bow down to it. that's why for me it is a flag of the struggle for freedom of the belarusian nations and it will probably remain so. we have such a legend. well, it's just like that

a historical legend, what exactly is this reflection or red stripes, is it croft on a white canvas, well, it seems to be the same about prince algerd, there is a legend that he had a right head, he attached a piece of white cloth to his head and tied it while gathering a harukva t troops to go to battle to fight for the country. si er-e definitely not to any politicians definitely not to any official there i don't see myself in the state operations in general i will have a quiet, peaceful life, a quiet house somewhere away from people. in ukraine, my native home is the capital and i will do my own business one day. i already have a couple of thoughts on what exactly i will do, but i will make something of my own, earn money from it and live peacefully all the time. they lose, or for my family, for my brothers, for the reconstruction of ukraine , will belarusians have to form armies in 100 years, for example, to

fight for their freedom. i hope no, i hope belarus will be like this in 100 years today's belgium or the netherlands, the netherlands, which still have some military vehicles with sandblasting equipment in their warehouses. but how do i understand there that they will not have to use it and there will be no need for it, and they give it to ukraine, and belarus will give its last equipment to someone ? so that we don't see it, it's already

a nuclear war, oh nuclear weapons, i want what now using this interview to say about the guys about the soldiers who even now and today for a second until well here we are talking about our belarusians are at the front about hundreds of those guys who gave up everything and came here in the 22nd year to fight for ukraine those who did not have military experience before that who did not see the course of events of the ato today is on the defensive this is a boy who deserves it who has already arrived today x today is the time i wanted them to remember them today and i want someday when you

will hang flag in minsk and i will say from above alive belarus i know that i answered you from below, i have already answered forever yes, well, every ukrainian has a new bodyguard, the one who protects the country at the front, the one who does not have the right to make a mistake, the one who closes the people from the enemy with himself, who gave his life defending ukraine, the story of the hero will live forever, because it is these heroes who create the future, the future of ukraine, the future of europe, the future of the whole world, the heroes of ukraine write the history of humanity for

thousands of years ahead . i will fight for it

how many forces are there? we the people are the only source of power in ukraine . telethon debate studio with guests we somehow thought that in our time it was he who shared in dovilnivska and after well, maybe due to the fact that this event split us apart and we were on the air in different directions after all but really somehow the whole country was running to meet the vilnius summit and we were expecting some such events and breakthroughs and it seemed that time and if nothing happens after vilnius, then it will simply stop and no, nothing stops events in the same way, running is developing very rapidly, and we wanted

to talk about how to live off of them positions to live through this year, which belongs to us. i apologize for the technology to live until the next one. washington, what events should it be saturated with, what technologies, what moves, how should each country play this game for such a general victory, and i was prompted by the thought, hmm, president biden said that ukraine is not important to us in the sense of its independence, but in the sense of world stability. that is why we got involved in this conflict. and that is why we want to talk about the tasks of this year. from the point of view of different countries

of different configurations well, of course, let's start from the vilnius site valery klochok, political scientist, head of the center for public analytics, vezha maksym yakovlev, head of the department of international relations, director of the school of political analytics of the kyiv-mohyla academy, yehor chuvny, head of the permanent delegation of ukraine to the nato parliamentary assembly and a member of parliament from the servant of the people faction . free exactly there why were such expectations talked a lot talked a lot negotiated a lot there were a lot of expectations and far from all of them worked, so i would like to talk about whether we used all our opportunities from the point of view of diplomacy are we correct in terms of efficiency at least why giliovsky himself remembered how we remember with such sparks certain frictions sharp statements sharp reactions but well, i'm sorry atakams and in 16 we still don't have any and we say that so far yes so far

it is absolutely true that part of this conversation i would like to shed some light on why and how we can increase the effectiveness of our negotiations so that what we expect and what our soldiers pay with blood every day happens faster so that we can hear a little faster and what we are asking for the liberation of our land, according to your feelings, it arose, it exists, it hangs in the air or it is not . went because and this is actually for us it helped because this tweet by president zelenskyi, which was written already in flight, was already understood that the word invitation was crossed out behind closed doors, but drawing attention to this situation forced the world leaders to justify themselves and give more to ukraine the next day and the world content to all this, it was also on the side of ukraine, and they asked such a

thing. and why? get a second on the second day more yes, there was disappointment on the first day because we did not receive this political request, and again i emphasize that the political request did not start the process of ratification by the parliaments and we did not ask for it, we understood that until the end it and we will not receive it, this was supposed to be just a signal that ukraine was invited to nato when the security conditions would allow it, so i believe that these frictions were there, but they played in our favor

. and no no no add, i insist on that without words, everyone was waiting for the word invite, but it is there , but the invitation was not imposed on him . message because there is a lot of information about the fact that it will take place not in a year, but earlier. maybe even today it works. no. and maybe even in march, this is what the parents are talking about. by the way, it sounded like what will happen. so, the nato summit is going to happen some autumn, and that's why today i am a colleague and i'm leaving, and i'm a colleague is leaving now. i asked, and there will be some kind of interim. maybe it was they who told me. well, maybe at the level of the minister of foreign affairs and so on, you understand. that means that we will not live with this for a year. baidy did not

accidentally say this phrase. what kind of flax it was not well done in the family , you need to spit it out constantly, yes, take steps and you will receive an invitation in a few months in them here, when discussing this topic with colleagues, the prose sounded. you know exactly how he said well, how many months, they say, where does the decade say well, let's not laugh at it, even if the decade is 10 months, definitely not a year ago, we will be there, why did we not receive this word invitation and who said that a specific document, well, our statement, which we prepared last year, was signed by everyone together prime minister, chairman of the verkhovna rada zelenskyi that in particular this statement will be considered there, there was

no talk about it at all, and here you are correct to serve. you note that when it was being prepared, this is exactly the information in ukraine, people were pushed this this word invitation , we actually received it. - this is not a structure where you came to sit down and sit, it is a process you have to go through and you will get it and no one denied this exactly this thesis hm, probably the most harshly speaking in this sense before the beginning was the president of lithuania himself, remember he said if there is not something useful for lithuania and what did he mean by security guarantees for lithuania, including ukraine and poland, and that is what he said, we would not sign the comedians unconditionally, the discussion on e was not easy behind the scenes i want to and was not there

, but i feel it you know this joke but she was efficient and effective we received, do you remember, you and i talked about the agreement on security grants in one of the broadcasts, i clearly remember that er air and we er oleksandr there were two options or security guarantors for the israeli option or one-on-one security guarantees when the countries conclude it with us, this option is great, i don’t see any betrayal at all in this summit, the only thing we were told why because , as biden said the other day, not only ukrainian crimea is at stake, but also 17 many important issues, and today we can analyze them by geopolitics is a lot, and the middle east, this is turkey again, poland, what threat is posed to belarus, and so on, a lot of issues that need to be resolved so that russia does not start a war again tomorrow, so betrayal, friends, there is nothing wrong with people not understanding this, we are okay, but after the taste, what kind of tone was left, well , we all spent a week trying to understand what ben volos meant

. are there any certain types of fights ? then everyone went their separate ways maxim let's pick them up everyone went away calmly satisfied with each other are there any such resentments, you know, pebbles, some people remained offended, i don't know who went there with this, it's true and i support my colleagues on several important questions, positions and what you said about after the taste, this discussion, the tension in the air, of course, the first thing is how the media presented this event . what will be the position of this scandinavian in turkey? it's interesting there was the position of finland, which was very proud that by joining in this way they are strengthening security, they are taking a really anti-russian position on the issue of security and what the baltic countries put forward is even in nato in the bloc it is felt that there are different positions of different countries, we say that the european union is divided bitches . we know who

more on our side, who is more focused on internal issues, so the question after the taste depends on what we expect from any dish. yes, i believe that ukrainian diplomacy prepared the dish correctly, which means that they invested in this event, but in the information space of ukraine, nato is, will be and will remain a hot topic, this is recorded by many polls because we have expectations, there is a consensus in society that it is not necessary. that's why we hear things that nato can't guarantee, like it ends in the next second and the russian troops , you know, just like this ebb and flow in the seas. it turns out like this and everything in the world is safe, so it won't work at the moment when ukraine joins . what will be the security guarantees ? you and no consider the israeli scenario and we have nothing in common with korea. it's just to somehow explain the idea, we're simplifying reality, so in general, i want to say that what the western press captures. well, what i read is to say that it was portrayed

there, and poof, the ukrainians want something again, well, i don't capture that, once i say statements that ukrainians should be somehow grateful, well, it's anyone, we open a tweet or there instagram posts, we read what foreigners write, what , well, ukrainians could we can thank us and there for such an old price. more about it is written by an average citizen of conditional conditions there scandalous countries or central western europeans, the question what strategy do we choose, thank you, demand ours, really realistically analyze what prospects we have, what is called for us and conduct a correct diplomatic policy, the problem

, i repeat, lies in how we communicate in war conditions, everything related to the defense, security, membership of ukraine in nato, and so on. well, the path that definitely does not promise to be easy, turkey, because the editor here has already suggested that the inclusion of the lungs is really easy. kam is faster and more there are more technological things that we do not see in that list now, but which even nato in its doctrines foresees as an offensive weapon

, we can find new diplomatic tools of tonality, monality, we can turn to new people, how to make sure that these specific requests of ours can be implemented faster. for example, joining nato. i would like to remind you of a slightly different situation in 2008. georgia is the same aggression of russia, so in order for us to understand a certain vision from the side of, well, let's say outside of ukraine, we have to remember the owner of the eyes and our reaction. did we then understand that, for example, by defending georgia, are we defending ourselves, or have we done enough to defend ourselves ?

they have they understand this experience. to what extent will we be able to build communication strategies that will not only affect the emotional component, because i would say that the first year of the war was by and large we used the emotional component very well, but more now we are talking about the rational component, that is, of course. and explain what is called on the fingers, but with numbers, with arguments, with logical justifications, to what extent each of the steps that we take, which they take, benefit them, interests, and the like. unfortunately, we see that in the same conjunctions in the dates, it is impossible to say that support for ukraine in general is falling in the general population, one way or another, there are certain changes, but ukraine's accession to nato and, in general, the continuation of support for ukraine, but we see how the accents

change, the tonality shifts, certain dissonances courses and here we need to understand what it is work for years, we just have to constantly convey our position, sometimes perhaps in a more complicated and even tough form, but this is the work with which ukraine well, unfortunately for you, we missed a lot of time, unfortunately, we still had not enough public diplomacy. unfortunately, our foreign policy communications are very weak, especially outside the western world, because if you can say that in general , in such an event, we have support in one way or another, and there are various wars or there wars for

public position, we more or less win in russia, for example, the countries of asia, the countries of latin america. i'm not even talking about africa, where we lose a lot. there are many studies, for example, in the field of social media, there in twitter and so on, the russians have shifted their activity and influence to the countries that used to be called the third world. unfortunately, ukraine is very far behind here. that's how you talk. you mentioned, uh, you mentioned how communications should change from emotional to other strategies, and uh, but that's all. aggravating this is what this year is important for ukraine because for us

it is important to find nato and here it will be the summer next year or a little before it will solve the time obviously and another question - it is an american election, and it is very much complicating the situation because i want to remind you as last time we approached the elections in the state bottom affairs and there then the president and in one word, there was such a facap, what is there to hide and now with the way the situation is unfolding in sa? and no one is going to give in, neither trump, nor pence, nor the current president. i think that the battle will not be easy, and the statements already sound very radial, very intolerant of each other, tell me how it is wise to act here for the politicians of ukraine in order to win their own well, here we are, in principle, and the position of ukraine is more or less consistent a that is,

we do not work with a certain political force we ensure strategic cooperation between the countries, that is, ukraine and the united states. of course, now for biden and in general for the democratic party, ukraine has become one of the elements of the actual future election campaign. i think that this topic will be heard to some extent, this is for us plus because it will force biden, in particular, to increase the level of support

for ukraine. by all groups of influence, this is what is called this kind of lobbying, but we have to convey smart lobbying first of all to expert circles and to party members from all sides, i'm not only talking about democracy and republicans here, but also to those groups that, for example, also have certain doubts, those who are looking for some alternatives. they also have, unfortunately, we also have certain disadvantages here. but again, this is a long-term situation . we can make a revolution here, because it will still be a company in the states flow in the way it flows in them, the only thing we can do is not to get involved in, you know, another scandal or the like. i think that for the biden administration, in general, it is important to show a successful case in the case of ukraine, so we can help them in

this , but it is not a direct help to biden. on their disagreements, that is, ukraine's position here, in principle, should be fairly balanced. it should avoid sharp corners, and we have something to offer to america, not to the political parties. well, the only thing i would add is that it has already been heard, but you said, for example, that our goal is to join nato. i think it is important to emphasize here that this is a tool for us, not the goal is to join nato, our goal is to ensure our own security

. will become for you know with such a carrot, we can run into the wrong place, because it is not quite a realistic perspective that will provide us with it right now. now and then , colleagues voiced, for example , the importance of regional alliances that do not contradict nato, but which will become an element that will strengthen, for example, nato in certain decisions.

otherwise, nato in which different processes will think i think the level of internal consolidation of certain countries in nato and certain contradictions with other countries he will increase so i think of nato countries will look for other tools of acceptance may not be different at the level of nato, but at the level of some interaction, so for us the key partners of the same way. dnicks i think we can find ee common tongue as with by the british and with potential countries that also cooperate with nato, for example japan and the like. so here i think too much about this tool, we have to remember it, of course

. was turned on by maksym comment your facial expression when you said that nato is a carrot and it is possible. well, yes, i agree with my colleague about the possibility of local local unions , that is, regional unions . allow me to comment on how ukraine can gain support there in africa, in america, the latin market is less important . took the list of the top 100 analytical centers of subsgar africa, a retired university, they stupidly went to the sites where the bongo-speaking part was franco-speaking, there was no portuguese at all, and they were looking for what do they write about ukraine, russia, what do they know, i work, well, very little, but what related mainly to the issue of food security and so on, and the experience of establishing contacts with them, you know, so as not to convince. it seems to me that even with european countries, they can also use the worst what can it be to get close to them and to say we are from ukraine let us tell you about ukraine this is the worst thing that can happen because in order to convey