[000:00:00;00] nato is a carrot and possible. well, yes, i agree with my colleague about the importance of local local unions , that is, regional unions. let me comment on how ukraine gains support there, in africa, in america, the latin market is to a lesser extent, but when the political elites, we published several materials, in particular, on the promotion of ukrainian interests in substratum africa, the material was yuri oliynyka, and we processed a large study. centers substratum of africa, the retired university publishes stupidly, they went to the sites where the bongo-speaking part was franco-speaking, there was no portuguese at all, and they searched. what do they write about ukraine, russia, what do they know, they work, well, very little, but what was mainly related to the issue of food security , etc.

we are from ukraine. let us tell you about ukraine this is the worst thing that can happen because in order to convey the information, we need to show the information for the first time. we need to show that we are interested in them. we know something about them. now, for example, there are protests in kenya. yes, with the university of konskin with one small, the beginning of cooperation was quite successful because we started to invest efforts . five teachers of the department are free of charge . help and show that we are ready to invest in unions, communication, contacts, and so on. this phrase, we have something to offer the states, so we can ask. what do we have to offer the states? well, first of all, i think that my colleagues will also add more to this issue

. germany of ukraine very much you know well, but here no, it is quite calm why, because ukraine is an actor and ukraine's membership in any defense or security alliance strengthens this alliance with our experience of our blood, which was gained so we can bring, and even before the full-scale intervention i said that what ukraine can convert for export is what we know what russia is with us, what threats they carry, and at the same time we know well that this is not bought and it was not bought by the united states before this full-scale war with taking into account that wrote newsweek about burns, you understand, that is, they didn't know, they didn't want to know, they were wrong and what about us and about the russians it's true what they want now i have hope that just the american political system, the expert environment - these are the things well, i even know that sometimes students ask again, did kissinger understand, was he clairvoyant or did he change his shoes correctly ?

even the side about blackboxing, what is meant by the black box is that you have airplanes. yes, to understand and learn from your mistakes, yes, sir, and the mountain is up to you. then i will not pass on the question of natas, what is not for us to offer, and i will add a little bit of my own. and please tell us how we can not become a toy in this game, because this game is really quite tough. we understand that ukraine will be one of the cards to play. after all, before the previous performance, because i didn't not i agree with the fact that nato is not going through the best of times right now. i think that in the last 30 years they are going through the best of times. consolidation of real defense budgets, real defense orders, and the role of the united states is really increasing. and can i clarify this question because i am also interested

in it? the russian federation, but we also oppose these things we've been holding on for a year and a half and we can see the last year's strategic concept, which in principle rebuilt nato's vision of who is a threat, who is the real enemy, what needs to be done, in which spheres, not only on the ground, in the air and at sea, but also in hybrid threats, information wars, and so on. and so on

. european countries that are strengthening the united states the states are not for everyone, not for everyone, and yes, there are some countries who agree with the position, do they like it? does everyone like it in the united states that the united states is waging a war in europe ? hair and again, it seems to me that this is exactly the view from the russian side the federation was like oh, well , they won't do anything at all 100%.

yes, that is, we will quickly go through with ukraine and further on there, like the baltic countries, because they are not able to coordinate their actions in any way, but they are able, and returning to the united states and our strategic partner and in general, their er-er, what can we give them a-er, the strategy of the united states er-er is not to return crimea yes, of course, that is, the strategy is to have er-er in this region not even balance but to have stability, but the strategy in therefore, on the one hand, to close europe from the russian federation, on the other hand, to weaken the russian federation so much that it would no longer influence the processes, but everything was still strategic. well, i don't know any partner of china, so that it would be possible to influence china, including and in this way, because for them, after all, russia is not the main thing. are you convinced that the united states of america has finally found its strategy and found a vision for the russian federation after the war? i

think that this is a process that has transformed since the collapse of the soviet union and when they were working on strategies to contain the soviet union, and then two weeks before that, bush came and said that not only don't leave there, but they still believed that the collapse of the soviet union was more of a disaster than containing them. i think that at some point they began to simply return to those strategies that they lost in the 90s and thought that the russian federation is basically a democratic country and you can sit at the table with her and she was offered the model council of russia, nato, which we just got, do you feel that there is such a reaganization, gradually, gradually, it is not coming back, they lost a lot of things in well, in my opinion, in these games and simulations and possible situations, people there are very interesting to ordinary people

because they are really lost. and the counterbalance, but that's it what did we start talking about, who should we be for the reds or the blues for the trumps or for the democrats through a publication for the state of the united states of america, which has its own interests regardless of whether the reds or the blues are in power there and their interests are precisely the weakening of the russian federation, the weakening of china, and here we converge and here we can be the stabilizer of this policy in the region, do they understand it, but if you imagine pictures and personalities, you understand if you imagine

trump's personality and biden's personality are that not exactly the same, and their vision of what should happen to us. well, he was the first to provide us with weapons, yes, yes. but now i am talking about exactly this, it is not with emotions. they can say whatever they want from the podium, especially since you know, don't believe the politicians three weeks before the elections, and they will say that everything . should he go for concessions or for you trump's proposals are all rhetoric, but this deep state is the deep state, it just works out the mechanisms that influence the approaches. there can be different, i'll tell you. yes, we also had a debstate when they said what kind of state system in ukraine they said was oligarchic. zelenskyi came and turned the debstate around

. so that it doesn't happen like we have a nut of the earth to you this question, only now i have a different way absolutely. what does the president of the united states want, because i agree with mr. yevhen, i’m sorry, i apologize to mr. egor. i already ran to the presidents to divide the new ones to determine what exactly. and unfortunately, unfortunately, it would be much easier to agree that they declare one thing when they sit down in the cabinet. after all, their policy changes a little

. relative to the surname why all this is what the radical trump is talking about, will he change his politics? well, you know, trump's last interview caught my eye, where he said a very interesting thing that was accepted ambiguously in ukrainian society. they saw another betrayal in him. i saw the opposite. this is the same story with the debstate. i am not accidentally asking the last name, but it doesn't matter. trump started his election campaign from the position of america's interests. indeed, he was the first to transfer weapons. indeed, he spoke. about two percent of gdp for defense is really him understood the problem of nato, more precisely, they told him, he voiced it, but that was what the president of the united states said, and now what he said: i will end the war in one day, this is the previous time, and the current one, or i will give ukraine so many weapons that it will not do anything. joe biden did not make such a statement, at least now he is doing other things, the same ones that are necessary for the united states of america that decided santa also became more uh , a little bit

more distanced there. no do you hope for this and said it? it is not necessary that joe is the president of the united states of america . you do not expect that they will leave you, that is, in any case, their interest. gave a specific question to tam nato itself he gave to journalists about his participation in the elections. remember his answer. he answered very indirectly, he did not confirm that he did not want to go or that he would not go, or that the journalist took into account his age. what, you, respect your age? why not give young people the opportunity to finish this story that began in the soviet union, in fact, that is how he started then and now there is a lot of talk about it, and for him the issue of a comprehensive solution to the problem of the russian continent

, including through the middle east, is extremely important, remember which joseph biden was criticized after his visit to saudi arabia. it was something incredible that i didn't see. how the middle east completely turned history around and with relations with russia, and even what is the value of just iran's statement about the disputed territories? to us, it may seem like a little thing. but in truth, not in the middle east, the politics of ukraine. well, supposedly . united states of america, it seems to me that they are

aimed exclusively at weakening russia in all senses, even if we take into account not simple relations, as it turned out, it was not by chance that the statement was made by russia and iran . let's return to the program and the morning of the north korea talks. world that will regulate the democratic process, in one of the programs we talked with you about the necessary creation of regional unions, which you rightly noted, i talked about the baltic-black sea union, which caused colleagues a great idea, why did it go silent against the background of the nato problem, because it undermines the alliance itself, it is beneficial to putin, the german triangle is silent, because the nine of the cross is there, but it is big , so i personally would like to, but i do not currently see the prospects of creating another powerful regional union, for example, how many

black sea u military-political plan because it will really significantly undermine euro-atlantic security, it cannot be broken today, everyone understands that 10,000 of their soldiers are sent to poland, yes, nato, nato, the americans are entering poland, yes, yes, all nato countries, except america, according to the nato strategy, are waiting in the event of aggression against them, when the united states of america will come to fight for them, not too much, but the usa considered the defense strategy at the last summit of the alliance, that is why they also considered the issue of guarantees security for ukraine is the only document that has not been adopted this regulation because it really caused a serious discussion, i expected it. i really wanted there to be a regulation when it was possible to make a decision there 33 -1 32 -1 in the given position there hungary because

turkey it was considered so far, well, due to various circumstances, including turkey, the elections were very interesting there, well, now it is not about them, this document is out of order, but at the same time, everything that is happening is really stupid here . the name of the president of the united states is not important at all. you know what ukraine can give to the usa, we have already done it took because ukraine will be an election case for any presidential candidate, republican or democrat, regardless of the surname, it is not by chance that trump changed his rhetoric, he says i am more there, biden gave one and there two bytes for 10, i am there 100, you were in the competition now, who is somewhere more than 100%. and here we will not remember any way, we found ourselves in such a situation that no matter what we do, it will not leave us optimistic, we will still switch to television news services, and then we will return to 15 minutes, we will continue our

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telethon we are talking about how to use this year to benefit ukraine after this watershed of the vilnius summit let's connect olga koshelenko to our conversation olga congratulate you if you already with us i will remind you to those who forgot olga is the author of the question to president baiden why not the date of ukraine is all the release of her territory when you meet zelensky and biden and olga literal thoughts that make you

anxiety this statement of possible presidents of the united states of america, which is already on the electoral stage regarding how they see the end of the war, how they see the development of this war, how they generally see the geopolitical system of the world, yes. and when former president trump says that america has given the most and europe does not reach , it means that it has stopped supplying , and it means that europe must compensate something there.

not only for the internal agenda, it is said somewhat to come to us and in this connection, of course, anxiety arises from the inside out there from washington whether or there is or persistent and determination stated in recent months that the united states with ukraine to the victorious end of natalia . came a premium we can with a certain it is a matter of confidence to say that the current president joe biden and former president donald trump will compete in the next election and of course there will always be an aggravation, it is always a confrontation and this time will not be an exception, i cannot say that the ukrainian issue will be key and it will be so decisive for the american voters when they will make their choice at the polling stations or in any other way and during the voting, but that politicians, especially from the republican party

, will try influence and use this the ukrainian map is unequivocally the same, we can say that russia is very much looking forward to the american elections because they see trump as a somewhat controversial and chaotic candidate, but still close to himself in spirit. russia has already repeatedly influenced the american elections, tried to do it. and why can we assume that it will not try to repeat it again? i think it is obvious that it will try and do it even more persistently and brutally, because this time, as they say, you know the rate is more

during my lifetime, regarding the strategy of the united states of america in relation to the russian federation, there are a lot of opinions on the topic. have we discussed here whether biden understands what he wants to see the russian federation at the end of this war, and we talked about the fact that it is necessary to think about the dibstate well, does the dibstate understand what will happen to russia and what they want to do with the russian federation, a plan for the controlled collapse of the russian federation. it seems to me that the ukrainian fantasy is a controlled collapse russia, because it seems to me that the biden administration is more interested in preserving russia in one or another state, well, in the state it is in now because of the fact that well, it is obvious that one russia with nuclear weapons and a crazy dictator at the head is better than, for example, five or 10 russias with nuclear weapons in different parts and with crazy, maybe, some regional leaders who will come to power, that's why and in the united states - this is , you know, traditionally they have such plans and

forecasts for any variant of development a events, but as for the future of russia, we cannot be sure how it will end, because it is obvious that the biden administration does not believe that this is a war, the war in ukraine can end in the same way as the second world war ended, for example, with the complete defeat of the aggressor, with the complete victory of ukraine, but there will be some intermediate option , it is not about giving up our territories, for example, or giving up some principles and state sovereignty, but still, what is possible? option when the victory will not be as quick as we would like and that's why they, uh, well, the future of russia, they see, let's say a few projections, how it could be, because we know that there is always , if you know, a black swan, yes, who can fly in and change everything, we have already seen an attempted coup brought, and this she showed that it is possible, in fact, dasha russia is actually even more rotten from the middle than, um, than

we thought before, but how quickly these processes will develop and how much they can be controlled this is huge the question, and i think that it is generally broader, is the question of the future of ukraine, for example, the accession of ukraine to nato, what was discussed on the vilnius site. they also look to a large extent through the prism of the future of russia, what will happen to russia, whether it will go, for example, according to the option of north korea, to absolute isolation, the creation of a closed totalitarian regime there with closed borders, the cancellation of the internet and so on, can some a-a forces come to power after

putin. a in the state it is in now or as another option that some conditional russian liberals will come to power and it depends very, very much, they carefully monitor these options, but always emphasize that they do not affect the situation in russia in any way, they do not even try to influence that it is purely for the people of russia to decide on their future olya, one more question very briefly in the us senate they presented a draft of a bipartisan resolution on supporting ukraine's entry into nato as soon as possible, what can this document mean in practice, it can mean see what in we currently have bipartisan support in the congress that both parties support ukraine both declaratively and practically. but we understand that it is not the american parties that , apparently, we, they were not influential, determine who will join nato and who will not. it is determined by the countries and members of the alliance, and it is clear that the united states plays an important role there . any

practical solution thank you thank you the great olga koshelenko was also with us on direct communication from washington. what olya said caught two points: the intermediate option, she also said the security guarantee, that is, about the security guarantee. i would like us to talk about the intermediate option before the free excursions. a lot was written about these intermediate options, and various american publications, both from the republicans and from the democrats , talked about those there, for example, the korean option, there is the german option . -e there is considering such an option as there introduction ukraine's incomplete territory, so the part that is now occupied is free. well, and then already after the end of the wood. when the two germanys unite, it means to join there, and so on, they talked about the korean option , and so on, they talked about the korean option, and uh, one of the arguments, but look at south korea, it received such an impetus to development, and they said that this should stimulate ukraine. i don't know if we were led to this, or if it was simply a writing in these types, uh

. maybe you will tell me, uh, i would still like to understand eh because security guarantees are also on the vilnius summit did not hear such things, and we also expected them no less than an invitation, you understand. so, i would like to talk about what is currently at the level of security guarantees, how are they being worked out by whom, what countries are already ready , what is preventing us from putting the final signatures, let's start with the first question on uh, intermediate, intermediate, yes

, what kind of form do you know? consider such an option according to which part of ukraine joins the alliance and then another part will join when it is released, but there is one nuance here if ukraine agrees and we do not agree according to the zelenskyi formula, well the mir zelenskyi formula, we have to liberate all those territories up to the border of 1991, if we theoretically agree to this, then we recognize that this is where the nato border becomes, and in the conditional part of the zaporizhzhia region, the kherson region, the part of the donetsk region, we can't move on we can't and

we can't anymore, we exclude it altogether any military solution to this problem can be theoretically attacked by the russian federation, we cannot move forward and liberate the territory from this moment on. therefore, we must continue to work diplomatically. i understand correctly, only democratically because nato is a defensive military-political alliance. of course, we do not accept these proposals, but they are heard more and more often, and they were heard more and more before and after the summit, and they take germany as an example, which is difficult to compare, after all germany in 1955, when one part was included, well, in fact, one country and another country that was under the soviet union, it was also not included, and therefore we are comparing here and saying what can we enter