[000:00:00;00] a-a defense military-political alliance and of course we do not accept these proposals, but they are being heard more and more often, and before the summit and at the summit they were heard more and more and more and more, they take germany as an example, which is difficult to compare, after all, germany in 1955, when one part was included, well, in fact, one country and another country that was under the soviet union, it was also not included, and therefore it was not included, and therefore we can compare here and say what can we enter in this way no, we cannot and we

refuse it for security reasons we received a declaration of such a high-level document , in which there are at least signatory countries and the directions in which they can provide us with these security guarantees, i rather called them aid guarantees. to be honest, because in the security guarantee - it is when you enter with us absolutely clearly, they are called that, yes, next to us, yes, on the battlefield, and this is the list that is now fixed in the declaration, this is the training of our soldiers , this is investment in our air defense system, this is the provision of weapons, sanctions, and so on, it will continue to be sewn into two sides here are these agreements with each specific country, and it should still not be a memorandum, but necessarily an action that takes place or is launched under such conditions. last year, we heard conversations about these bilateral agreements. what prevents

us from writing to sign. thank god that it was launched. this declaration , that is, a declaration. i think that it provides services because before that there was the kyiv cutie-compak, and here is yermak's proposal that was smeared. jason and they actually based on this on this eye proposals have been issued by nahor, this is now a declaration of what will happen next. well, according to this mechanism, which is specified, it is precisely the certificate of the pro-foreign agreement in kyiv security compac. i hope they will already appear on paper and in real life. i will add literally two sentences. the fact is that this declaration was signed by the members of the big seven. an important nuance in the members of the big seven is japan, which is not a member of nato , but it was present, and south korea, the mentioned australia, was also present. that is, the language is there. it is about

a slightly wider option and this was my idea this is the feeling of the united states of america. biden should gather everyone here, and regarding this treaty, it would be correct to say that they are already preparing, from which i draw such conclusions. literally, a message was sent two days ago. germany agreed to an aid package for ukraine until 2017. oh, i apologize. on the 27th of the year , it is 17 billion euros . far certification bilateral agreement, it is a very good comparison with the memorandum, because we have a lot of criticism about these

agreements, agreements, guarantees, security guarantees, and so on, what they say is the budapest memorandum, we have already passed it, it is not a memorandum. obliged to fulfill them, no one will retreat from them if we clearly understand that for example we mentioned the israeli option there 38 billion and say for 10 years, well, such a story is now only one germany 17 to the 27th, now the 23rd in four years, this is not 10, this is just one example, other countries increase aid and depending on their capabilities - this is of course yes, this is only the beginning. billion in the next 3-4 years against the background of this aid that

we have already received there for 200-300 da in these it is supposed to be within the limits, but it is only the beginning, so it is really a very cool thing. i absolutely support this idea of ​​providing a guarantee because it is not even too much. so, when my colleague got involved, he said that there is too much, it is not necessary. i partially disagree with it. but what is nato’s fault? because when there is aggression against a country, nato is going to decide who will help. when the guarantee and nato also pass . fixed yes, that's already what this money is will come, i have no doubt that they will find it as military aid. you won't be able to use it, for example, for social needs, then that's another story. if you send it to the military sector, our military budget before the start of large-scale formation, well, it was five billion dollars. and now only one germany in four years gives 17. although they previously gave about ten and aid and when i'm discussing the news now , i, i'll be honest, i don't understand what's going on

10:17 and 1 5 00 million billion, those are the numbers the united states of america appears, as usual, there are half a billion, 1.5 billion, and so on, everything is okay there, but europe is changing completely, and the number of countries that join this declaration, in addition to the seven, is also expanding . denmark, sweden, well, sweden, finland, they all join this process . of course, that's great, but the main problem we said at the beginning of the program where ataka is all in 16. therefore, it is already absolutely obvious that we will have this. moreover, today at the end, one such interesting news came from the usa. well, you know, probably the planes will be in ukraine sooner than planned before the new year. in this, you wanted to add yes to two sentences, and i was a moment. what olya said also impressed me very much. i would just like to add to our discussion that

the issue of the security format that we are promised largely depends on the fact that our western partners are still afraid of russia well, first of all, apart from the fact that you p igor correctly said that no one is going to join nato in order for us to liberate the occupied territories, this is absurd, but the next point is such a very beautiful scientific study, how is the nuclearization of russia, the removal of russian nuclear weapons, and the main fear that we are facing here is what i always organize on this occasion, if russia somehow thinks of disintegrating and national republics, enslaved peoples will gain independence, then simply in every village in every ghoul there will be a nuclear bomb and therefore, this cannot be allowed, and the problem lies in the fact that it is not the case that even imagining the disintegration of russia means allowing complete chaos, and the council can see otherwise what is possible now

, the kremlin regime or any russia in the next iteration. it may not give up nuclear weapons, but some territory there is conditionally there. we don't need the hospodrian union, let's keep russia alive and it's resisting. to what extent should ukraine be supported by the baltic countries and so on, depending on this moment of strategic planning, fears of russia are important. and here's a small comment, because i'm going to voice this thesis that i don't like some comparisons with germany. this is a very specific story with historical ones. we can't repeat myself . tion of north korea which then for with the help of some armed forces, they thought of liberating the south, i agree, the regimes are very different where the democratic world is, and so on, but only we accept this one, we imagine what it means that ukraine was somehow divided and a piece, as if somehow independently, it is in fact up to yuri and so on, the occupied territory of russia, which needs the freed return to the states from which they were torn apart

, and there is no one there. you you you know, because it is now oozing from all the cracks and people need to explain that it is not ok with us . well, after a minute

, we have literally an addition to the results of our conversation regarding the possible part of ukraine joining nato. you know, i think that what was left out of the attention of the results is exactly what is the main thing and here we just talked about it, here are these 17 + 10 + other billions and billions that are allocated to us jason this is for the preparation and rearmament of ukraine and this is actually a practical step towards nato this is not just a phenomenon you will be in nato this is a statement that we are pulling you into nato and we are ready to spend these billions on you and this is very important and to the last number m.e.e. we recently spoke with reznikov and the minister of defense, which is just as interesting figures were discussed on budgets, defense budgets for today ukraine, according to the defense budget that we have, occupies the 11th city in the world, this is 640% in relation to the previous one, but if you add material and technical assistance, 77 billion of purely this military aid that came, we are in fourth place in the world in terms of the defense budget today

. i am looking at minus the resume sometimes i think that, first of all, because i always repeat to us in ukraine, this war costs lives, which goes on, fires every minute literally costs lives, and therefore it seems to me that we should not fall into a discussion about treason and so on, the most important thing is not to have inflated expectations, be skeptical, and really not to inflate ours, i understand that some information is difficult to perceive and must be analyzed to avoid, i do not think that anyone will betray us , so that in the states they will simply give up on ukraine, what my colleagues and i have now agreed, we must do work front i repeat not to have any remaining expectations, to be grateful and ready to prepare for the fact that our struggle continues and will continue and we have a quiet path regarding the tonality, i spoke with many lithuanian deputies and latin colleagues and here they said that the tonality chosen by president zelenskyi by the military and political leadership is absolutely correct and the lithuanians even said we even wonder why to such an extent it is correct why the war does not push you to more and more radical

rhetoric because of that what does he say when we wanted to be in alliances we from washington did not get out of the offices, we kept the doors there so that these officials did not leave and that we were given the opportunity to enter the alliance and there are various euro-atlantic structures, so that it is and again to such an extent that the baltic countries support us. well, it is hard to imagine how sincere and even such aggressive friends they turned out to be. their torica was no no, i

'm sorry, better than ours, so kalash the leader started by saying that the russian tanks will pass in a few hours with a sketch of estonia. then there was a statement by the three presidents of poland, lithuania and estonia again who said that let's revise our defense strategy and nato revised its defense strategy as a result of its contingents of troops to nato will already be in these countries in a word who won from this right here are the baltics and they are always nice remember that we have little but we are very loud that's why they understand this right the diplomacy we are currently conducting is not we had time to talk about some of the questions, i still wanted to leave the question for next time what should we do with india what should we do with us today minister of foreign affairs of pakistan there are a few more such hard-nosed people among our friends i want to talk but let's go then well let's plan for the next conversation and we have something to discuss further thank you very much valery klochok political scientist head of the center for public analysis tower maksym yakovlev head of

the department of international relations director of the school of political analytics of the kyiv-mohyla academy yehor chernev head of the permanent delegation of ukraine to the nato parliamentary assembly people's deputy from the servant of the people thank you very much for taking part in this discussion, dispersing a little cloud, giving people directions and charging them with optimism, we are very grateful to you for this word and well, it will be ukraine take care of yourself, it was enough to stop the mountain at the beginning of the war, every day we find the strength to take back ours step by step, and we definitely have enough strength to act you are on our way to

victory. glory to the defense forces of ukraine we persevered forward because we understand that our main wealth is our people, that's why we are happy for every ukrainian and ukrainians who were saved, we will stand up because we know that there is no small help and we are ready to support to the best of our ability, each of them fired a shell only strengthens our unity and desire for victory, unlike them, we will stand up, we will win and we will recover from the ruins, we ukrainians will never wash away and here we stand when the country trembles from

explosions, when the night turns to day from the explosions, we worry about our relatives and about us are worried our help, the air defense forces hold the heavenly front. they protect us, and we must protect them. do not shoot and do not post photos and videos of air defense operations on the network. 1+1 continues the national telethon. at this time, we are working in the format of a discussion platform. night watch in the studio. maria vasilievna . americans, american mass media, and american

politicians relate to the war that is going on today in ukraine and i want to talk about fears, myths, and the perception of ukraine abroad well, today we will talk about this topic with our colleague, who, like no one else, is well versed in this topic . and the war in ukraine, in

which the united states is one of the most important probably the allies of ukraine who are helping ukraine to fight the enemy like crazy, these 1.5 years the attitude of the americans to what is happening in ukraine has changed because we are all here constantly worried that we will tire of the world who will stop helping us because this war has been going on for too long already for ourselves . torus years later, and roll back a little to the moment when the united states, well, ordinary americans generally learned that ukraine exists and that ukraine is important for the united states. and this actually happened in 2000. i apologize in the 19th year, when the impeachment began, until this moment, i was in the states at that time, and i did a lot of interviews in different cities . and you are not the last person there well, it is not

true that the truth is not a politician but not the last a person there will say and you are from ukraine, yes, i know, i’m going there on vacation, by the way, it’s such an island, that is, until the 19th year of understanding where ukraine is, despite the fact that discussions were already underway, despite the fact that the united states was already helping us in one way or another . in

asia or africa, but somewhere, someone, something, whatever it was ukraine that was at the center of the electoral scandal. it was precisely this scandal that changed everything completely, and because at the moment when ukraine became the center of impeachment, which was launched by the democrats against trump, accusing him of the fact that, i will remind you just for our viewers, the fact that trump manipulated the american military aid to ukraine, which is at war with russia, in order to get a trump card for his elections, that is, he was looking for compromising material on the bid to provide some kind of compromise to his forces in ukraine romat na- defamatory hunter biden v exchange for military aid for ukraine absolutely and actually from this moment, just from this second, you can say that ukraine is on the agenda of the federal media, that is, in fact, all must tv channels, it’s all the nancys, msnbc, it’s cbs fox news, everyone talks about ukraine every day, and even fox news.

that it's simple this is a place where money is thrown to americans and this one does not help, of course, but not even fox, well, that is, what are the main theses , and ukraine is a partner of the united states, everyone repeated this, of course, ukraine must be helped, everyone repeated it, and then there were disagreements, trump helping does not help right democrats or wrong democrats, it would already be a real scandal that was created again, what is this scandal, and the daily multi-hour broadcasts of interrogations of senators, and well, in the congress, interrogations

of those involved in of this scandal of people and er transcripts of these interrogations, the next interrogations, listening, listening, listening, all this is broadcast and they constantly talk about ukraine, it introduced america to ukraine on a completely new level, it made even those americans who are never interested in what is outside of america, because america is very american-centric, in fact, from here we do not understand how a-ah 80% of america is covered by a few large cities eh, where eh, well, some cultural centers, yes, how average america is american-centric, but even to the head of this american-centric e- got into the country ukraine is just in everyone's head and since then, well, not so much time has passed since the beginning of the great war, and that's why in fact the federal media ah, well, let's say the liberal ones are the new york times, the washington post, which ah, and others who wanted to tell about ukraine, who would be media themselves, also understood that as soon as the public loses interest , well, they will also have to take us out of the front pages, but they still keep us on the front pages, we sometimes fall out, but very rarely we

come back again something new because there media people also understand that we should not be the first school. and how to explain that in such a short time, the americans, who until the 19th year did not know where ukraine was, did not know about our existence. and as you say, even educated people thought that it was an island.

the fight against evil they are there first number is performed and this is exactly the story here, that is why the americans, of course, took the side of good for ukraine against the global evil of russia. i am not saying that the americans fell in love with ukraine. i did not say that . such a wood i gained a lot of image wine after the beginning of the great war, and i must say that they did a very good job on their part, as well as we tried to do everything, everything is possible . yes, but the americans also did their best. and as i see it, at least, it is the work and intelligence of the american and american politicians and american media

. a country that survived communism is the opposite for which they are a little about left-wing views - this is a symbol of freedom of thought, because they, contrary to their time, were severely repressed for communist leanings. well, just really, after the second world war, they were repressed for this, and it remained in the memory of the cultural a and e, human, here are the left-wing cells - unfortunately for us, these are precisely the cells that very often say that let's still think there, is it possible to reconcile somehow, let's not fight with russia in ukraine, that is, all these theses that are very profitable

russian propaganda why i wanted to by the way i want to find out from many speakers that people with left-wing views or more left-wing ones are in this spectrum, yes, they somehow sympathize with russia or at least see an opportunity for a compromise with russia and do not really understand this ukrainian stubbornness, which, well, you see, protects its territory and does not want to share it with them, and so on. why is this opinion rooted in the left spectrum ? somehow uh some was to say it's very simple because we can talk about it hours and delve deeper and deeper into this phenomenon. but to put it very simply, and in the united states and the same in western europe, where everything is exactly the same, these are all people who did not survive the soviet union in their own experience, these are all people who were not colonized by the russian empire, these are all people who have this is something very romantic, of course

. remember that the bullet is human the award for articles in which there was not a word about the holodomor was won by the journalist yorktams, he is still a laureate of this country, and this is a piece of our essentially common history, and this again brings us to a certain responsibility of international journalists who are on the front lines of these falcons in other countries that they really in a certain way shape their country's view of what is happening abroad and by the way, about the new york times and about oce what do you know is the greatest tragedy in the world of humanity in the world, there is the fact that the event is described in the hut of uncle tom, yes, in fact, it’s a little bit wrong, but how to explain about the new york times? i noticed that. by the way, there are still such cool investigations going on right now, for example, evidence that it was the russian military who killed ukrainian civilians. but along with this, some strange editorials appear. where it is written that ukraine

should instead dream of an unattainable victory in the war with russia, which all the same, there is no way to win , you should think about how to sit down and come to an agreement with russia, and not to confuse it with your claims. in this world, where do these articles in the new york times come from? and why is this an editorial? it's not just some communist author who wrote his opinion. it's an editorial that explains to the audience that this is an opinion with which the entire brain center of this publication agrees. it must be like that somewhere if it's simple. okay, explain how in your opinion such articles appear and what these narratives are taken from. because we have many speakers believe that it is somehow being lobbied

by russia, including banal money the pro-russian media in ukraine are starting to disperse them and say, look, because it benefits them, it is beneficial for the russians, yes, it is beneficial for russia, finally, why does it work in the new york times in particular? and from the usa and here the press headquarters to dry the press is located in new york and that is this this is generally agencies yes i

it started from afar. and who are constantly trying to play the balance of the parties, that is, to make reports even from occupied cities, for example, ukrainian ones. how do the residents of kherson oblast feel about the voting there ? which are just hmm spread through the press and through routers - these are the materials of the chinese state a-a agency and in which if you read them well, they are very not pro-ukrainian, to put it mildly, they spread, and well, ukrainians, of course, do not use them or can use videos there. of course, do not use the text, but they spread to neutral countries, this is latin america - this is the whole of southeast asia - this is, well, in general, a country for which it is unnatural to constantly be interested in what is happening in ukraine, and this is a country that... e form their point of view from these agencies and