[000:00:00;00] from the border area and unfortunately, since it was mentioned to you about sabotage, the drg penetrated, and at least i can say that there were like two cases, uh, it is possible. well, that is, how it actually happened in the last time, or is it as i mean this year, one such episode was in the spring, and one was, unfortunately, last week during the first time

. a military secret, but now it's just that again, for the reason you have already said on social networks about this information passed and so now, as they say the sewing stomach you hide, and then it concerned the attack on ukrainian military and last week to a great regret , a civilian man was killed by a cirror a civilian man was killed and since it was a minibus then it is possible to assume that the enemy counted on the fact that other people would also die, probably the passengers. that is, once again it shows that they know what they are doing and they definitely start it from the territory of belarus directly. peace and quiet and do not in any way show any activity that could alarm the residents of chernihiv region. yes, no, it must be. we must be constantly on the alert , and of course all the appropriate services and the military are engaged in this, and

they do not do it, that is, i want to emphasize that here military border guards and everyone who is responsible for defense and security, they do not make a difference between these areas, it is simply a fact that it must be stated that the strikes are now being carried out on the territory of the russian federation, but what can happen on the territory of belarus, the gogol specific region of our neighbor, and what kind of threat can come from there, you have to assume anything and be ready for it, this is clear and equally, these areas of the border are examples of the specifics of the border of chernihiv oblast, which is that most of the border from the border with belarus runs

along the dnipro along the channel of the dnipro and the lesser rivers part of it is already dryland oleksiy, remembering the sad experience of last year in the spring of 22, in particular, i understand that all the lessons are taken into account not only from some of the gums, i mean in the military center of the training ground, but also other things . ivshchyna and how

reliable it is, first of all, there are really moments here until those moments of military secrecy, we cannot say about everything, but in a special uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, first of all, uh, the defense is chained up, and uh, in several echelons, several such levels are fixed, you can say that, too, uh, and there is no doubt, uh, inside this 30-kilometer strip to the border, there are still a few, respectively, a few uh, broken, well, it's just logical, we have to assume, and from time to time , the military says so, and that's what it should be done . the closest section to the border is mined. it really is the poor fields are densely mined there from our side and further on there are already several echelons of the military. that is, everything is carried out properly from time to time, the military reports on this, but very much. and finally, mr. oleksiy, there are now a lot of discussions in society about how and on what and how it is appropriate to spend the funds that are accumulated in communities in cities, in particular, and i see on the news that, in chernihiv, there are also ongoing discussions about how to properly dispose of that with the budget laid down for 2023, they are thinking

of what to remove, much more needs to be given, eh tell us in a little more detail what priorities the city sets before itself, and you as a journalist do you follow up so that there are not, let's say, any such dubious moments of abuse because of strange decisions, dubious moments and suspicions about the fact that the decision is really, let's say yes, no, not the most important needs , the funds may be directed

to such doubts. this the most necessary thing on which money should be spent now is specific to chernihiv in that, well, in the morning we will remind you that we have a military administration introduced by the decree of the president, namely the chernihiv city military administration, and chernihiv was in a special position in that it is not a peripheral zone, not for the occupied territory . coupation, we have a different situation, we did not have such a military administration under the time of the invasion in the 22nd year and now it was introduced and this causes controversy about this dispute, a lot has been said and written, but still some of this is still being considered absolutely because in some places decisions have already been made

regarding the distribution of powers . what to spend money on equipment, by the way, is the shelter for the population, especially since it is not a very hot topic now that the national security and defense council and the decree of the president need to be reported , and chernihiv, which many other chernihiv settlements have been identified by the day, and there is a great deal of work on the other hand

. prepared where equipped with everything you need. and where are all these shelters and protective structures, and especially about accessibility? there are many questions here. but this is a separate conversation and it is worth talking about it in detail. oleksia, i came from the portal with the tag "our money" in chernihiv to see what the corrupt people are stealing from you, and you know

, it's a sad picture. well, there are some 25% breathalyzers. hostile belarus. i didn't understand oleksiy they don't steal much compared to other regions, or are they caught that well, because it's not fun, i'll tell you, there's some kind of snobbery on the part of the part, uh, how to say it in cooperation, more precisely, between the public sector, public investigators and public activists, and law enforcement officers, because because this dispute has already been going on . well, probably for several years . some things because several times for in the last few years, even before the full-scale invasion , there was a horse. several times, such high-profile cases were started. investigations, let's say, of some moments of misappropriation of funds or suspicion of corruption, but they were hanging in the air there, where we were talking about hundreds of millions, let's say so, of probable losses from corrupt actions

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the saturday political club what saturday expresso dobrogo in the morning who joined us? and with us is mykola dubnya, deputy of the druzhkiv city council, donetsk region, in touch e-e p. mykola slava to ukraine. i congratulate espresso. i am very glad to see kristina roman. your relatives are in druzhkivka now, because we know that you work and make efforts in general in the donetsk region, wherever it is needed. kristina, the trip to sweden was very interesting, and behind my back there is an ambulance, which ukrainian friends of sweden gave to druzhkivka city community for a hospital

so that the consequences of enemy shelling somehow i don't care, it will be very interesting to travel with your adventures, the church, well, are these private or are we talking about some uh, inter-governmental, uh-organizational, such enterprises, the ukrainian diaspora in sweden is quite large, which has united around the volunteer group hopper swingerz and lance club, a world-famous humanitarian mission, uh, and this mission helps ukraine in particular because it is an extremely powerful volunteer group , uh, ukrainian is there, which tells, well , in principle, to lead a very, very good a mercedes car is available there, and besides, i want it to show that this car is fully loaded with medical equipment, an extremely expensive thing that will help to carry out anesthesiology for those who will need it, yes, well, we are happy that such good cooperation and a route have been established, and i wanted to ask you, mr. mykola, in light of the latest, such an intensive use of aviation, this desire to attack the eastern and southern territories

. the same scenarios as, for example, in sumy oblast, which can be forced strengthen the evacuation from the front-line zone, right? well, you don't feel such anxiety as in sumy oblast, well, our anxiety was like leprosy for almost a year and a half of the war and it didn't disappear anywhere, and these flights predict aviation and shelling, they go every week yesterday, by the way, it was very interesting, yes, some kind of flying, it's unclear whether there was a battle or not, when our aircraft flew over kramatorsk, there were shots . and there were other planes, and this is, in principle , if such a situation is permanent. for us

, it is constantly repeated, as far as that is concerned evacuation, if there are airstrikes, it is unlikely that you will be able to force the people to leave here because of airstrikes or missile strikes, people survived last year, when the artillery had already started hitting hurricanes, and it was very close. well, it is scary to go through all this, but the people will not leave for airstrikes

. druzhkivka also periodically receives other points of the population what is the enemy trying to do now, can we say? what is he trying to line up some specific objects or is he trying to destroy those settlements that are on the line of contact? well, they just wipe them to zero and we saw it. unfortunately, we continue to see what kind of tactics are used in relation to the rear cities of our donetsk region. christina, everything you said is true . of course, they will wipe bakhmut and the surrounding villages and the tick and all the rest from the face of the earth. and as for the city that surrounds bakh mut a little bit on kramator sloviansk kostiantynivka, the enemy is asking blows and often, thickly, as you said, just in some massifs, well, it's absolutely pointless where there was almost no one and it can't be, by the way, i think that this is done in order to force people into some kind of negotiations, so that they start saying that we can't stand it anymore, let's decide something, but of course, after those losses, after what we 've experienced, it's impossible to negotiate, and that fact is obvious that any negotiations will be

the result of further escalation further seizure of even more territories of ours, we can only stand, only win, and in this regard, you know, i was in sweden watching how the swedes were doing, and this is what was interesting. i have seen so far, which were built in 35-38-39, these are concrete structures of the goodness of the sea, the wall thickness is 1.5 m, and here they have stood for almost 100 years and are ready to perform their function now. what am i leading to ? what is the one and a half years of war, the defense line should be made more powerful and these millions that are now scandals

come from the company about ingulets and from the holodomor museums should be directed to these things and it is very nice that the president finally said that now it is inappropriate to spend money on some things that do not lead to victory because we here feel a lot of pain from these scandals, you understand that it has an extremely strong effect on the morale of those guys who are in the trenches, it affects those who volunteer, but we collect this money when people donate when they give their pensions and you hear that it turns out that millions of sums can be spent on these things but that's how you feel doom and only er you know what er compels you to continue is what you see guys returning from the rotation you see their faces you see you know what they feel and then you understand that you have to commit to doing it further and of course the situation is very sad with these expenses and budgets mykola let's take a short break stay in touch with us please we will continue our conversation with mykola dobnaya from druskovka

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of the espresso tv channel of the city council, mr. mykola, thank you for being with us. thank you for your reflections regarding what is happening internally regarding the decisions of the local communities and the central government, how to support the defense forces. and you know, there are pleasant, in fact, very pleasant precedents. well, i don’t know. we will ask specialists if this is at all legitimate, but for some reason they often try to convince me that no, there is money that has and can only be rolled into cobblestones and you can’t just take it and give it

to the defense industry. construction and improvement of zhytomyr will be redirected to the defense sphere, this decision was made by the deputies of the zhytomyr city council at the 32nd extraordinary session. in fact, it is clear to everyone that the region in which a large number of people arrived , the region in which a large number of well, let's say so, military units or facilities that are supported by the state budget, they feel a little better now . crazy receipts and accumulation of funds in the local budget of p

mykola, how do you look at the situation in other cities at this discussion and how do you translate it to your own history in druzhkivka in other cities of the donetsk region now kristina what you said about zhytomyr and the regional council it is extremely uh, well, it is extremely nice to hear that people give up the money they have earned and direct it to the armed forces of ukraine - well, this is unparalleled, it is actually very good , maybe there was something somewhere, we understand how this money is usually are divided as to where you can invest money, i will tell you this i was driving on this expressway to kyiv and i saw a terrible one being built on the zhytomyr highway. oh, an incredibly large concrete intersection is being built on the zhytomyr highway. i don't know right before the entrance to kyiv near chaika. i don't know how urgent it is to make such a traffic junction right now. well, what a state necessity. maybe these concrete structures should be sent here in order to strengthen the line of defense. that's the problem , how to divide this budget correctly, how

to redirect it not to these concretes. no buildings of any kind they can endure and in order to speed up our victory, or at least now we know that there is constant shelling on the liman, a lot of equipment is accumulating, we need a touch there, we need a touch there, i would talk about sweden, which are powerful there for almost 100 years. until then, they held back an attack from the baltic sea. because it concerns the budget of local communities in donetsk region . military units to quite they are significant and and

this money can also be redistributed more rationally. unfortunately, the local government now has a military administration. the deputies do not influence the distribution of money. therefore, everything is on the conscience of those people who could share my point of view. of the military complex, it's drones, it's some kind of building airports, airfields for f-16 with underground hangars. we must prepare and do everything now only for victory, not cobblestones, not flowers, not, er, museums, and the rest will wait, there will be no victory. there will be nothing at all. well, mykola, literally in one word, just say it's a hot defeat, then its harvest in the north of donetsk region , how under the sounds of cannonade, farmers work , how much will the fields bring us a harvest, well, pump

it was a pleasant, pleasant surprise drives into donetsk region from the side of pokrovsky, i see harvesters harvesting wheat and what is ripe and you know, you see a harvester, it so happened that in the background of kramatorsk and you see rockets being released and a harvester working, well, that’s what the picture is. well, the ants have become tangled, they go because people are working, businessmen are investing money, harvesting this crop. regardless of the prices. regardless of this corridor, which will work or not , people do their work honor and praise to all the farmers who work i really want to say that donetsk v works in this regard and is very, very active. thank you mykola mykola dovbnya, a member of the druzhkiv city council, was in touch with us about the problems and features of the donetsk region and druzhkivka specifically, and also about cooperation with our dear diaspora and