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[000:00:00;00] information about everything that affects our wallet, and informed means armed, watch the economy news project with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 yes indeed we will continue our broadcast and now we will go to belarus and then at the end we will return to ukraine and see what is happening in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate with mitsr lukashuk editor of ether european radio for belarus, a belarusian opposition journalist will be in touch with us for now dobrogo hello, mr.
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mitsar, and i would like to ask the first such simple thing for me it seems like a difficult question, the belarusian red cross admitted that well, you can even say that it simply kidnaps children from ukraine, and that’s why the belarusian authorities. well, okay, you know, a good court just after putin’s words that we steal children, just immediately issued a warrant. now poor putin can’t even fly to africa, and they can be arrested there . the hague court well, somehow people are always not even criminals they want to go to prison, but here they seem to want to why is it such a situation that the belarusian government, well, the difference is small, that
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there it was not putin's order, and putin's order, which led to the issuance of a warrant for his arrest by a criminal court . the people's initiative, the people are very keen to help ukrainian children, and that's why they are ukrainian children are taken to belarus for recovery, and here is the same nuance when the russians specifically kidnap children and take them somewhere . ий жест э-э что детей
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сопролды they are saved double give them poppy seeds they are pumping something for a couple of weeks, a-a, they will sew, a-a, air-bom, after the war, and the last thing will get better, but the accompanying situation looks like this, so that a-- the orphans of those people who have children who arrived can be with their parents . lukashenka
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is needed today, i could be there, he may not be there but it was necessary to make such a gesture that i am not in this and in this, together with putin, together with russia, together with putin, that i will do such a humanitarian mission, all the more financially for lukashenka and for belarus, it would not have cost anything, all the money that is spent on goethe, the projects are taken from the budget of the union state . they allegedly wanted to make such a gesture, which was directed primarily for
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to the internal belarusian audience that we are humane people, we help the ukrainian people and torture ukrainian children, and here we give the maximum to sew a-a plus a-a to the russian audience that we are also together with you in the same humanitarian mission, so we get along a-a well, of course . that lukashenko's departure will fall under this er-e all interesting story that we are silent about him a warrant will be issued, i will inform him of the investigation into the abduction of ukrainian children and bringing them to the belarusian territory, and the people's anti-inclusive administration is led by the leadership of pavel latushka, and against the revenger of the keraunitsa, in the transport office of the tikhonov savings bank. -and the case is brought by lukashenko under a-a criminal prosecution by the luhansk
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court a so-called deputy of the belarusian parliament leader a-a such a party of the liberal-democratic belarusian haydukevich eh gogole z as if he says that eh-eh it would be very-good-natured, some special service agents brought latushka alive in the trunk of a car to minsk, here he could be handed over to the tribunal of eh lukashenko's executioners well, this means that after all, the political topic of lukashenka and his associates and everyone is the word of the so-called red cross and who say that we we exported, we export and we will export, not sticking to threats at all
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, it's nothing more than a-ah, well, such an attempt show that we are such heroes in the background of the whole game of this situation. it was not for nothing that i said briefly that the so-called red cross is the next belarusian red cross. goethe's organization was discredited a long time ago. let's start with the fact that kerauik of the belarusian red cross is appointed in one word by lukashenka's decree. it's all clear for a start . jin is in belarus and
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criticizes shoigu from belarus already for me means that lukashenko, the so-called president, is on the agenda, on the russian agenda. he has to react in some way, even if he remains silent. it is still a reaction on my territory, which lukashenko considers his territory. he sits on people who criticize the minister of defense of the union state, and i have to either tell him hello, you know i am visiting, so be quiet and don't touch this cage, or call putin and tell him, listen , what should i do with him? he criticizes him
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, what can you say? he can criticize it mr. president putin, your instruction that he sat at my place near minsk and barked at the address means shoigu, that is, well, a very strange situation, but for sure lukashenko is on the list of russian politicians, because there are people sitting on his territory who criticize russian politicians, not the last . быты его и путшей за объект, he was simply put in front of the fact a-a and now they will influence what prigozhin ivagnerovtsy says. i think that especially he can’t for nothing. the so-called belarusian security forces and the belarusian troops are not very pleased with the fact that the wagnerites have arrived and there is no exercise for them. i can’t do anything for whatever and what if the belarusian precinct policeman is there, he will detain the wagnerite so that he doesn’t do it. i have doubts, this is the first to the second, and i think that lukashenko
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, mom or coffee, this is the situation when high-ranking russians are gnawing at each other and spitting shit at each other, saying, well, i think this is your internal affairs , and i'll sit down with a stick and see how it all ends. lobuli, as if i think that he hasn't forgotten all about his old dreams, and he should have an office stolen. you encourage it, that is, it works, everything is on the onyx, such a mess, as they say in russia, i agreed, let's the guys
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stagger there, and i can, then the helper jumped in in the office in the kremlin, i don't think i'm really bothered about this and he loves everything here from the side and he can still say oh, how is he talking there? well, this is the man putin who understands the hymn. the last question, if you can, for one and a half to two minutes, no more answers. why, because our next guest is our metropolitan of pereyaslav vyshnevetskyi oleksandr hrebinko. well, we have a discussion, the russian patriarch and the orthodox church of ukraine and so on and so on and so is this russian patriarchate i went to see kirill and
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we will talk about it. and what about the belarusian church? how much do the citizens think that when there is no lukashenka, there will be no russian orthodox church in belarus or there? i think it is too early to think about it. the ancient church may be about conversion, but there is no conversation about it for the seventh time, especially with evidence the fact that the orthodox moscow orthodox church in belarus became specifically state and about lukashenka's organization, there is no such thing as a religious religion, a religious institution . the patriarchate of the belarusian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate
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talks, there is no peace, everyone understands that sooner or later, but by far, please, this is an important moment, just an even shorter question. and i hope for an even shorter answer, that is, there is a uniate church, it is a catacomb, as i understood it, either in poland or in lithuania somewhere, but there maybe the faithful may serve underground somehow. well, we don’t know about it and we don’t. one apochnya hour on bolshe
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still hid outside the border of y the united states in canada, but also in belarus itself, the same is true of the christian union and its athletes. this is in this direction of religion. thank you very much. mr. lukaszuk is the editor of the european radio broadcast. for belarus, a belarusian opposition journalist , we now have an advertisement . save pain can be a hindrance not with my
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of the program and we will talk with mr oleksandr drabynko, metropolitan of the orthodox church of ukraine, metropolitan of pereyaslav and everlasting vyshnevets, good health, i am glad to see you, mr. father, good evening. glory to jesus christ, glory to ukraine. this is my question. it is written here that 10 bishops of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate visited moscow. about loyalty and everything is fine, but still, i'm so old that i remember the beginning of the 90s er, philaret asked for autocephaly and received autocephaly at first, at least in words, as far as i remember, then moscow changed its mind, everything changed, and so on. maybe these 10 went for some kind of autocephaly, autocephaly, autocephaly, autocephaly, autonomy of some kind
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. of st. sergius of radon and usually the bishopric gathers in the trinity of st. sergius of lavrius, especially those natives who studied at the trinity of the regional moscow theological seminary of the academy. they always come to this holiday to honor the memory of this saint. well, at the same time, some events of ecclesiastical importance are held on these days, well, this time, kirill decided to hold an episcopal meeting in order to secure at least some support for his pro-putin policy, since the majority of the episcopate has not yet met and six years have passed, and the bishops' council
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it never happened, that is, to this day we see the monarchical rule in the russian church which, strictly speaking, was concentrated exclusively in the hands of kirill, these 12 bishops, not 10, but 12, were present at the celebration of the trinity sergius, the service that was held there and took part in the meeting that was already announced by you, and according to which we speak, in this meeting, kirill spoke about the split that had already happened in ukrainian orthodoxy, he said that neither commemoration under the name of the patriarch nor raising him during
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divine services is an open door to the point that those who do not commemorate fall into schism and actually these were bishops who did not leave ukraine but who are in the occupied territories and are the heads of the annexed dioceses of the ukrainian orthodox church, this is the east and the crimea, listen, but i have some bishops who fled, some bishops fled and kirill, in turn, said that the verdict has actually been passed for metropolitan onuphrius, who blessed not to commemorate kirill , and kirill says that he should be commemorated accordingly those who do not commemorate violate as well as better in you should not go to such churches where cyril is not commemorated, but here a very interesting phrase sounded from his mouth until a final decision is made on those who do not commemorate cyril. and this is happening with the blessing of metropolitan onufry, then you can go to these churches, since the sacraments are still valid there until now . i have such a diplomatic and philosophical question for you, sir, father. i have the impression that they commit suicide
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when and where there is a war there is nothing to answer here and what to listen to. yes, it is really spiritual. well, you are not an otryst, you will not keep the flock when there is a war. and you are going to moscow, you are doomed, sooner or later everyone will turn away from you, and this is some kind of absurd. you can’t drink in the annexed territories. the whole country, you and i are already talking, people
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are listening and know and see what will happen tomorrow well in short, they break all possible ties, not even ties, but simple communication, and simply they are important, a phone call. well, it's just that they studied somewhere, as you said, maybe they studied there, and those who, uh, in ukraine, and maybe there, you say, oh, 30 years have passed during graduation, let's meet fellow students, even this is impossible to imagine today, it's impossible. i say , why are they suicides like this?
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abel since no metropolitans of ukraine. any of the official spokesmen of the ukrainian orthodox church, which is not of the moscow patriarchate, so to speak, of any adequate assessment, neither the words of patriarch kirill and gundyaev, nor the deeds of these bishops to date have been given accordingly if we say that there were bishops who were present there, being in the annexed territories of the e-e and the annexed dioceses of the temporarily occupied territory, they were present and , as they say, they said about the dobryan from the e-politics the brother of the murderer cain, er, kirill
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, er, in this case, i would not be a horse, but bloody their trail follows the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, which is located in the unoccupied territory, that is, not only have they put their heads under the spiritual justice, but they also follow this sword, well, you know how there is a parable of christ the savior, blind leaders of the blind, blind guides who drag along, and then we will talk about mr. onufry hm, the leader of the russian church in ukraine, and what do you think is in his head? he also understands that well, how to say, well, to put it vulgarly, it’s not fashionable now. shut up about russia, i’m not saying anymore approving the russians and simply being silent about russia somehow society and the congregation - this will not be welcomed by at least the majority of the flock , the future also tells, then in this church what is going on in his head here, we have to somehow accept some you understand, i hear this question very often and it was to him that i wanted to get an immediate answer from metropolitan onufriy himself
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. since i know where the residence is, it's easy for me they put me outside the door, he didn't bother to meet and talk with me, we asked the guards to go outside the territory of the monastery in the pheophany, on this, as they say, our acquaintances ended. what will happen to the uoc under the leadership of metropolitan onufriy, if he, even today, when there is still a certain possibility to grab at least some rope of that saving marriage, there are options even today how could it even be saved you are the remnants of your spiritual reputation as the head of the church and to save the image of that flock and your own
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bishops and er priests because the congregation does not divide today as completely as i think onuphria because the bishop of their views is about the processes that are taking place. i don't know what is on onuphria's mind, but what he is doing is absolutely absurd from a logical point of view, it is wrong. in my opinion, the best option for today would be to collect it. so, after that speech of cyril, which was heard, the bishops' council of the rest of the faith those who remained from him gathered the local council... who would want him you came there, this is kirill’s decision to declare exit, exit, not delimitation, as it was in the theophany on may 27, 22nd, it was said that the exit from the moscow patriarchate should start commemorating patriarch bartholomew and ask him for their canonical status for today, if there is no desire to join the local ukrainian orthodox church under the guidance of metropolitan onufry, they have the final salvation of their own, who are already here reputation that exists today, if this does not
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happen, then what should happen will happen what will happen will probably be degradation, collapse and a change of generations. such an institution of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate will not exist in ukraine at all . and i think that this is the last question. we have two minutes left, it is important, but it is important . and what is the fate of the russian orthodox church? something pagan
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, your version of cyril the bloody middle some will support the episcopate, some will not support without digging, as in russia, and among those bishops who left from the annexed territories, not everything is so clear, they silently accepted what he said with dark faces because they can say nothing because the repressive machine is both church and state . the russian empire was part of moldova at one time. leave belarus will leave kazakhstan is a big part of it because there are many orthodox believers in kazakhstan. well, the baltic countries. thank you very much. oleksandr drabynko, metropolitan of the orthodox church of ukraine. metropolitan pereyaslavskyi vyshnevetskyi was with us
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. where the church is now and where he lives nearby head of the uoc of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, my father had a dacha there, and we used to go to the forest and have a lot of fun, but it was interesting. but these are my personal affairs. iryna koval will tell you about all ukrainian affairs, because this is news on espresso tv, mr. mykola. all spectators russian

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