[000:00:00;00] why does turkey maintain such a balance? first of all, wars are being tried between all parties and to remain a partner at the same time for everyone. to be honest, i do not think that turkey would be against if, for example, the role of silgosbank was returned to swift. especially since turkey itself does not join the sanctions and cooperates economically with russia in every way, but on the other hand, we

hear the same stories from turkey. to work now, in fact, the grain corridors have been blocked since november 22nd, when russia first stopped its participation for a few days, returned, and so on. and so on. every time, the russians voice the same messages that the west is partly to blame for this, and russia is partly to blame. therefore, i don’t think that we should expect any bad intentions on the part of erdoğan in order to shift all this blame only to the west. rather, i think that this is such a diplomatic game in order to to drag all parties to the negotiating table to reach a compromise, the west will give in a little, russia will give in a little, someone else will give in a little, and as a result, turkey will have another diplomatic victory, and the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, in his video message on july 19, drew attention to the fact that the grain that was destroyed in black sea and odesa was also planned to be delivered to china to a greater extent representatives of the people's republic of china and there is

even a reaction along with the general the consulate of china in odessa has an explosion of an interesting wording that we do not know to attract our own in this story in general china, whether we need to emphasize this now and e-e do we have an understanding of the true position of this country, sergi situation with a price for agricultural products is more political smaller

dependent on the united states and for 10-15 years, probably actively so. 10 years ago, china replaced the products of the united states, namely corn, soybeans, wheat, with ukrainian ones, and this way was well worked out, and they could always buy ukrainian products, which, in principle, in terms of quality, could very often be better at the price of the alternative, and the key political alternative . legal that china lost his grain after these shellings, unfortunately for us, and we lost ukraine, a ukrainian agricultural producer, a trader who owned this grain, because china acquires ownership of this grain when it arrives to it, that it was planned and maybe there was a contract for this grain, and it was supposed to be shipped to the next ship and go to china

, that's the question today. all the time, china takes such a mediocre position, so they condemn military actions, they condemn shelling and so on, but they do nothing concrete in order to put pressure on russia, although we understand that china has an order of magnitude higher level of ability to put pressure on russia than even turkey , although turkey . was too much by the way, she would lose in this situation. well, of course, today, if similar actions take place on the territory of ukraine, causing damage to other world players and not only china. and we also have a number of other interested parties who have their own assets on the territory of ukraine or have something to do with those assets. if they lose, it is clear that they will not be passive, and sooner or later russia will

naturally have to answer for this, but today it is more important to draw the attention of the world society to this event because russia very often shows a different position and we know that there was a period when somewhere we lost in the media and did not cover enough of the events taking place on the territory of ukraine to the outside world. thank you for the inclusion. we remind you that we were contacted by yevgenia haber, political scientist, senior analyst at the center for the study of modern turkey, karlstoy university and serhii labaziuk, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada's committee on agrarian and land policy. there will be a short pause

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an old crimean training ground where it exploded, then i did not understand the situation in rozdolnomo and the last of of episodes that we have, this is oktyabrskaya near simferopol, where fuel and lubricants were burned and ammunition depots exploded, we see that once again the defense forces firmly took up this case, but the center of national resistance reports that the russian occupiers and russian gauleiter in crimea are very suspicious of the local population and even the workers of the crimean bridge in what happened in helping to carry out this act. can we return to italy? to the topic , after all, to actualize the topic of resistance in

the crimea, because in my opinion, it came out a little bit like that in parentheses in recent months and we don't know this, on the other hand, we see that russia is turning into a replica of the soviet union of the 1930s of the last century, we were talking about what was happening around the bath patriots were called gubarevs, and this is very reminiscent of what happened with the bolsheviks in the 1930s, when the people who were there were loyal supporters of the regime and very often more radical in their approaches before stalin's fight against enemies , his entourage became the first victims of this whole process, but before all these famous trials of the bolshevik leaders who went down in history, there were less visible trials now, less so because they actually remained in the shadow of the large trials of communist leaders. these are the trials of the so-called participants of some actions at the factory when any accident and any problem was declared a sabotage, when every soviet person had to look for saboteurs and when you were nominated, you are so uh very

obvious. i would say the moment in the slogan of the bolshevik ideology is that the internal enemy of the development of socialism only strengthens this slogan was abandoned only in the 1950s, that is, it existed from the 30s to the 560s of the 20th century. the very idea that the better we live, the stronger we become, the more authority our leader comrade stalin enjoys, the enemies should become fewer or more, this is logical . so we don't

know if there are any real resistance forces or not a sincere desire to find saboteurs wherever they can be found, because if you look for saboteurs and find them internally and you are an employee of, say, a department in the ministry of internal affairs and the russian federation or in the fsb for the fight against russian and ukrainian spies, the conditional ones who created explosives on the crimean bridge there, orders are given to employees of the internal intelligence service of the russian federation for intercepting drones and missiles, awarding employees of the ministry defense of the russian federation and if i am an unhappy employee department. where should i get a new rank? i also want to be a colonel. i want to have access to money for large budgets. if i am an employee of the federal security service of the russian federation in

the republic of crimea and sevastopol , how can i prove my need for the regime? if the regime is entirely focused on the external struggle, i will look for internal enemies and if i find them. the leader or any resident of the crimea itself. and it is better to be employees of the council of ministers or a deputy of the state council of the republic, then i have great prospects for that, in principle, as we see how this regime develops, by and large, i generally think that at a certain point they should arrest konstantinovych aksyonov or aksyonov konstantinov for espionage in favor of ukraine. that is, it is logical because if this does not happen, the regime will stop developing and it will develop in a totalitarian

direction and in the principles are absolutely classic general yagun told us about putin's formula, but the formula for building putin's regime is very similar to the formula for building stalin's regime, when you could leave the soviet union for 20 years due to authoritarianism, you could travel abroad for 20 years, peace was absolutely tolerated, the rights of sexual minorities were considered normal here, or there was a free family, your own free discussion in the media, if you of course recognize the communist party, competition of writers' unions , that's all it was right after the civil war

don't you remember what you saw in 1935-1936, it was already so unattainable, you know, no one had time to leave, he actually ended up in a uh cage. well, that's what today's russia looks like. so i can't comment on the issue there, resistance is not resistance, because for me, that's when they start talking about employees at the crimean bridge who planted these explosives. i think that this may be a symptom of something else. by the way, i want to remind you that they themselves can plant explosives. where is it? you don't even need to look for saboteurs or you don't need ukrainians for that the fsb employees themselves can safely plant explosives under certain spans of the crimean bridge to prove their need to the authorities and why if they could blow up houses in russia, they can't blow up the infrastructure objects themselves, this is very logical, very optically, but the security service of ukraine hints at the well of course when we say you know it's not us it's them oh it's just ukraine absolving itself of responsibility it's not that simple russian special services are always working on

the edge of provocations and very often for in order to to prove their need to the authorities, they themselves arrange what the enemy should have organized with the crimean bridge. of course, it is not as easy as with some house there. in er, moscow, because the crimean bridge is really needed by the occupier, but as you rightly said, the railway traffic, i repeat, continues from the point of view of the transportation of military goods . them forces on the road and life must be turned into the road of death, that is, to blow up the railway line, another aspect in terms of c- the events on the crimean bridge, when the russian federation offered its citizens and residents of crimea an alternative path, many ukrainians said, well, finally, now they will go there through the kherson region of the zaporizhia region to mariupol, they will see what they have done. and no one imagined that the queues for entry to crimea on these territories may be

more than for departure, and we record exactly that yesterday we literally spoke with pyotr andryushchenko, adviser to the mayor of mariupol, he says there is information that they do not stop going there even with such a hellish alternative route, even realizing that there is an explosion there, i don't know the old crimean test site and so on. that is, it is so much enchanted by the image of crimea that was created by the russian government there or propaganda that we will go there through thorny, as they say, why yes, security does not work here, it has to work, if

we have a business, what is the actual bridge mentally adjusted a society that believes that it is liberating its territories. i think that ukrainians should get rid of these illusions as soon as possible, because they live in some illusions and we hear it all the time. and by the way, a certain part of the russian liberal community is constantly trying to convince us that russians do not understand anything , they do not know anything, they are fed by propaganda that putin, uh, just announced a personal vendetta to ukraine, this is all completely pointless, a strong dictatorship because it is strong because it feeds on people's concerns by virtues and wishes of at least a large part of the population, we are we understand that the hitler regime became the way it became because it appealed precisely to the instincts of the germans and that is why, relatively speaking, in the 33rd year we saw hitlerism in the role of a party that barely won a majority in the parliamentary elections and literally 2-3 years later when hitler hunted himself down to the instincts of the germans to their importance there humiliation during the first world war in order for the germans to become the strongest state of europe among those who supported him

turned out to be former representatives of the right democratic parties and social democrats and all these people after the war said that they had never lived as well as under hitler, even when germany was defeated, and here we have to understand that for the vast majority of russian citizens, 1991 was a tragedy. i remember it very well from my work in moscow, when my colleagues spoke in the democratic so-called media, then i already understand what it will lead to, that when they saw the red flag being lowered from the kremlin tower, they

cried because their motherland was dying and it was strange to me as a person as a person because, well, listen, the russian flag is raised over your kremlin, not the red rag of the bolsheviks, but the russian flag, but the problem is that this russian flag covered only part of the territory of historical russia from the point of view of turkey, the russians, and the soviet flag was red, covering the entire territory of historical russia, and why can't you cry in the end? except for taiwan, when the flag of taiwan will be there, then everything will be very good, and the flag we use is taiwan, the flag of the republic of china, it no longer captured all these territories, so it was a state that was not perceived as a victorious state, it became such only at the end of the second world war, think about it and the russians have this way of thinking, and that's why 1991 for us is the beginning of their own independence, for them it is a historical defeat, a mistake that needs to be corrected, and now they see in the kremlin a person who

corrects this mistake returns russian historical territories do everything the russian people want, now this man and his propaganda, as you say, you can say the media they trust is not for them propaganda, this is for us propaganda they say you know these bastard nazis are blowing up the ugu bridge well, you can come through another territory of russia through new russia by land somewhere you see accepted new russia is the same as a new moscow and you have already gotten used to this idea that there can be a new moscow, we can add to moscow the territory of part of the moscow region and the people who live in the moscow region, after suddenly stopping muscovites, we are every person who lives in russia, you know, just by the decree of the president, you become a muscovite, then you are not allowed to become a new muscovite, and here, too, the dream is to live in some er, er, incomprehensible and invented ukraine. i woke up here, and here are all mariupol, which is a russian city, and melitopol, in berdyansk, how good

. to e-e yalta without crossing any pseudo-state borders because they were artificial borders, they were demolished, they were tried to put up by the enemies of russia, nato, the united states, ukrainian nazis who serve nato and the united states. and now our glorious soldiers, god bless them, have demolished these borders and that's it, and they're going, well, it's exploding. listen, something is exploding, well, something is trying to destroy the nazis. well, nothing for a few more months, or maybe years, and it will all be over. we'll live happily again as we lived in the same state, read pushkin's fairy tales together, and this one

gogol's taras bulba and everything will be fine from you the mentality of an average person who goes to crimea and all these conversations they will go and see, they will see the consequences of the crimes of the ukrainian nazis, they will return from crimea with even greater conviction that this is all that this abscess must be cut out at any cost because it is dangerous for the russians, everything they saw and this must also be understood, and therefore if we have to live in the real world, we must say to ourselves that we are fighting with the russian state, with the russian people, not with vladimir putin the war can stop in that case it can of course, if vladimir putin understands that he does not have the power to fight such a war. moreover, i have to tell you that vladimir putin can understand this faster than the russian people, the russian people can never understand, and our happiness is that the russian people are ready to agree with the decisions of the authorities on the contrary, but if we give the russian people free rein , it will never end

, they will never be ready to fight for someone else's land until the last russian. such words as i have already bought a train ticket to crimea or there is a holiday season around my neck, it may be one day, but this is the behavior of the russians in this case, this week we were shown that there is no such mass flight from crimea, despite the fact that the degree of tension is purely security and there is increasing somewhat . because no

corresponds to their picture of the world. well, there are also many of us compatriots who live in their own picture of the world, and by the way, february 20 and 24, 2022 became a sad morning for many such people. for russians, it may also be a sad morning in crimea at some point. i am also sure that this is the question. when will this happen ? there will be a holiday season in the crimea after the release, we will methodically destroy the place the villages of crimea by the russian invaders from the black sea from the territory of russia itself, we have to ask ourselves the question we have enough air defense forces, we have to discuss this with our allies right now, and this should be part of the deoccupation program so that sevastopol , simferopol , yalta, other crimean cities are not transformed. of

the city as a specialist will transfer to the co-op control of ukraine will not even waver in the fact that all this must be demolished so that later when we return to russia, we will rebuild it better than it was well, look at mariupol look at yalta, it's a terrible soviet city, change its infrastructure otherwise how to demolish everything or build a new one is practically impossible and no one in a sober state will do that, it's true but we understand that people like putin think that the best way to make money from such experiments is to demolish the city with rocket fire om together with the residents as it was in mariupoli is absolutely correct, and then build what you already like, palaces, some complexes there, and don’t forget that these people who receive huge money for this, they can still, uh, calmly riff on the russian budget and they can think about it. so when they shell every ukrainian city, they are shelling the future construction site, the future

construction site, and you tell him, god , you are destroying civilians, they hunted civilians, they just own the territory that they then will build and you see that they are doing all this in mariupol, they are doing it despite the fact that mariupol may be deoccupied. well, it will be deoccupied, but they will already make money. let's go back a little to the topic of the grain agreement and these cunning entanglements that are forming now and about which we can already talk

. the world has wonderfully fed our ports with ships of other countries almost personal erdoğan, but now the shop is closing, judging by everything, at least as of today. how will this affect the general situation in the region? maybe the relations between putin and erdoğan. look, first of all, it must be said that no one has fed anyone. the issue of ukrainian supplies is increasing. the only issue is the price of food. food will not go anywhere.

people simply will not be able to buy food for yourself, food can be, but thanks to the supply of ukrainian grain to the market, it was possible to boldly reduce the price, so you know, when we talk about evdogan, we can say that he did not feed his own and reported to him, this will be an absolutely correct description of the situation ukrainian agriculture is saving the world from a new crisis, but now we will see on the other side of the barricade another person who is interested in this book, this is vladimir putin, in principle, you saw that russia did not want to agree on this zone, but it was forced to her for two reasons the first the reason was related to her special relationship with turkey, because at that time turkey was turning into such a quiet haven for the russian oligarchy, do you remember roman abramovich at the negotiations in istanbul, so that he would meet with radogan himself? well, this also shows a lot. and roman abramovich may be one of vladimir putin's wallets, more precisely, in a big way, this is money, the second point is the global south itself. putin was aware that the countries