[000:00:00;00] uh, the central rada when the government of the ukrainian people's republic was not able to cope with its own forces, there was no way to maintain all this on its own and we had to look for allies, then it is normal to look for allies, the closest allies could be germany and austria-hungary, well, for various reasons, and then there was an appeal and , how should i say, you can say a request from the central council

to help us. things were said in our time, but so far it has not been implemented, about some kind of international military force that should be established in ukraine and be of some kind. this is a prohibition so that those bad evil spirits from russia do not move here, and then only the germans and austrians could really be such allies. it's not like that . came with their army and they were met as allies, which they really were, central well, the council did not yet have such strength on the ground to fulfill the commitments it took on, in particular, it concerned the colossal problem of food, ukraine was what is called the granary of europe, and in austria, in austria and in germany, there was a disaster with food products, and in particular, what was the name of this berestey medical inspection in germany, it seems like a bread treaty, and there, by the way, such a medal was issued, and in honor of this, and there it was painted that it was such a big tree

, a sword in the ground and on the trees and buns grow and it is written that you know everything, and the austrian, er, the austrian emperor sent a telegram here to his people and says not to conclude an agreement immediately because the supply of products from ukraine depends on the fate of the state and the dynasty here, everything is ready, the forces are allies, there is help, there is sikievych, where in the donbas is bolbochan going to the crimea, how is this counteroffensive er, now you know er, it’s just deja vu, because now, in fact , the same two important directions, the same armed forces declare that they need to be liberated and

donbass and southern crimea, you know. there probably is such a concept of the vendée yes, the vendée is a region of france that was actually so counter-revolutionary there where there were always certain problems and the revolutionaries had to give advice, but with the vendée and well, somehow, historically, it happened that such vendées in ukraine just happened to be the crimean peninsula from the donbass were not there quasi-republics were proclaimed in the east this was the donetsk-kryvyi rih soviet republic in the south of the soviet sochi allist republic of the taurids, and they were bolsheviks, and in fact, they created these republics as a whole the creation of these republics was the deterrence of the ukrainian german offensive, a counteroffensive based on the fact that this is no longer ukraine, it is already other countries and other territories, and they said, then why did you come here, if you showed the goals that you allow ukraine, then ukraine has already ended, it is no longer ukraine for you, well, this is the technique used by the bolsheviks when they tried to justify that the borders of ukraine end there somewhere beyond poltava , and then there is kharkiv - it is no longer

ukraine there during this time ukrainian counteroffensive of course, they were guided by a completely different geography, because there was already an idea of ​​ukraine in principle, what is interesting is the idea of ​​​​the borders of ukraine and the figures of the ukrainian revolution, and they are very similar to what we have now, in fact, the modern borders of ukraine, in one way or another, they are based on the legacy of the third universal and proclaimed by the ukrainian central council. now the blast furnaces are standing, the blast furnaces have gone out and the steel in the pipes has hardened, it must be replaced with a new one, because it didn’t work everywhere, it’s quiet, you can’t hear the horns anywhere, the big chimneys don’t emit clouds of smoke under the very sky from all the parts of the machines, the copper parts have been removed, a lot of work is needed, knowledge and material to start the machines, the machines are standing, but it’s still a problem, but it’s bloodless, because it’s a machine, and those who stand by the machines are boiling misunderstandings, which were used by the agitators to drag the workers to their own

side, mr. oleksandr, how the events took place there how did the counteroffensive take place? how did these troops actually meet the unr? well, you see, when the bolsheviks seized power, one of the components of their activity was terror, and that is why their terrorist activity had a great impact on the non-living part of society, and therefore when there was an opportunity and an opportunity to get rid of it, it was welcomed. first of all, secondly, this territory was inhabited by ukrainians , and that's why when some of them came, you know and said that there was no, and there will be no. oh, that's clear. that

every person didn't like it i mean ukrainians and therefore when the moment came and the time came to expel these er hares of these occupiers, the people already supported and helped the council. well, first of all, why are there no ranks, they expelled and can continue a normal peaceful life, so now try to plant something along the grid in kherson oblast, mines, rocket shells , and so on. we can live peacefully on our land and work as and then uh, people just wanted to live in their own state and by their own laws, which means not to bow down to that god or someone else's or that

god. there were no major battles. because there were only some more serious skirmishes . they had no er opportunity to oppose ot and er in a military way that means they carried injustice and injustice is always punished with er justice, well, it was a little different with crimea. because when they announced the er third universal er in november 17th, then there were still such somewhat idealistic ideas that there would be no bolshevik aggression. that there would be some kind of federation. there would be a certain association of states , among which ukraine would be great russia, that is, the central regions of russia and among which crimea would be, that is, crimea was imagined to be a ukrainian

figure at that time. as the crimean tatar state behind them recognized the fact that the crimean peninsula is really your homeland is building its state there, these crimean tatars were building their statehood, but it so happened that the bolsheviks were able to destroy this republic, so they were able to seize crimea and the realities of the first ukrainian bolshevik war. they showed that the concept that we are not interested in crimea will be its own state-building, it does not work, that is, if crimea is left out of consideration, if you ignore crimea , if you give the initiative to someone else there in the crimea, they are winning there aggressive forces towards ukraine, or the red russians, i read the white russians, and they continue to use crimea as a certain bridgehead, so they first block the black sea for ukraine, destroy the status of ukraine as a maritime state, and then they simply begin to climb out of crimea, climb into the north, which actually happened in the 17-18th years and what we can already see from the results of this war, that is, they seized crimea from us in the 14th year, in 2014 they didn't stop like that, that is, there were some illusions that

the admin was already there. what's wrong with that calm down, this is what they need. no, they climbed further into the kherson region, that is, in fact, already then realizing that it works. this is exactly how the leadership of the ukrainian people's republic, after the hetmanate, firmly decided that crimea should still be part of ukraine, that this is a security issue for ukraine, and that's exactly why a group of bolbochans was sent with the aim, first of all, to establish control over the black sea fleet

. and ukrainian interest was not only in the crimea itself, but in the black sea fleet, because it was precisely for this reason that on april 29, when the blue and yellow flags were raised on the black sea fleet, it was actually declared by this that the fleet was ukrainian. at that time, the fleet played a much greater role and importance than it does now. the austrian germans did not really want the ukrainians to control this territory, because they, even before this , before the beginning of these events, a reputation appears in march in baden. introduced by them, they met and said that this means you will be control and we will control oh and the distribution of the sphere of influence a and the ukrainians interfered in their i.e. mixed up their maps the germans thought that they would then go to the crimea and they would make their own resort zone there after the war and we saw it is a completely different struggle for the crimea it was a struggle for cathedral unity and this and this is true and this happened not immediately not today not tomorrow they cleared all of this as i say sorry bad er all these lands and territories and now

the same thing is being repeated with the purges we will drive out and restore our power, our national power statehood in all these territories lasted the donbas company, these two groups left poltava at the beginning of april, yes. that is, you can count there from poltava, you can count e.e. later in the area there a month up to 20 days, in fact, the crimea and the donbas company. they ended at about the same time. that is, it is the end of april in the donbas, it is april 30, you can say the milestone date in the crimea, actually, what was already a holiday on april 29, that is, by then these operations were completed, except for leagues in

the week of 27, donbas ended other realities you can calculate in different ways where the donbass begins, after all, the periwinkle territories of bakhmut were liberated further on, they already went there, such condo classic donbass there, horlivka and debaltsevo, and so on, that is, well, a little longer, that is, the battles were bigger, after all, they were in the donbass in the crimea, there really were fewer such battles there, you went and where did you stop, because sivkevich is also called the person who became the origin of the border service, so where did they stand, and the border was there, or how to say it , how is it actually happened eh according to the third universal of the ukrainian central the borders of the soviets are like that again, this is the basis, it’s not ready-made borders, but the basis for the borders were the borders of the province, and accordingly, in the east, there were the kharkiv and katerynoslav provinces, behind which there was already the area of ​​the don army, and just like that, the settlement of the zaliznychne station, when it was already flowing, it was such a borderline on the railway between the katerynoslav province and the don . a ceremony about the fact that uh... about

establishing a border two were brought large blocks would enter there, painted in the colors of the national flags, a consecration prayer was held, that is, in fact, the creation of such a border post, and precisely because it happened on april 30, 18, it was indeed this date that became the basis for the modern holiday of ukrainian border guards . again and again and maybe there will be some double date if we will focus a little on the crimean company, then there was such a moment of competition between the germans and the ukrainians more than in the donbas, because the germans, in principle, did not plan, did not foresee that they would let the ukrainians into the crimea. they thought that really, as oleksandr serhiyevich said, it would be their homeland and they themselves would manage there, they would liberate themselves and they would take all the laurels of the winners themselves, and

they sent their own group under the command of robert fan-basket that went the traditional way through digging and it something got stuck on a trench where storming the positions, instead, uh, the crimean group, which actually received a secret order from the government in those circumstances, that group is a bolbochan through melitopol, from modern zaporizhzhia, then oleksandrivska, it went to chongar, i.e. as we know, there are two such general routes to the crimea, this is a trench and a chingar , in fact, a mined bridge

. uh, the ukrainians were able to crimea and then it was lightning fast to advance on simferopol. in fact, they were there during the day plus or minus there for a few hours. they entered simferopol, catching the bolshevik garrison of simferopol by surprise. they took prisoner, it seems, the whole headquarters - it was so unexpected for the germans and the bolsheviks that the ukrainian did not stop there, because the already mentioned haydamat regiment named after kostya gordienko went further into the mountains to bakhchisaray and ukrainian troops were also to capture bakhchysarai and then they actually reached sevastopol well and there is such an area, cherkasy from the rudder, so from now on you can call it a tract, and in those days it was still a full-fledged village, this is already within the boundaries of sevastopol. that is, you can say that to sevastopol in the modern sense, it was the then haydamaki, the ukrainian troops of that time. to find out, because well, the germans

began to ask or what what is actually happening well and unfortunately, the ukrainian leadership at that time, the government of vsevolod holubovych and the minister of defense zhukivsky, showed, well, let’s say that they simply washed their hands, said that we were not aware of what was happening and called back the ukrainian troops themselves, although he himself was a fool. well, the cossacks themselves were so driven, so fired up that they were. well, now, according to some other memories, they were even ready to fight the germans and not submit to them. especially since they were on their side the crimean tatars who rose up in rebellion, that is, everything was made up of cards were made in ukraine's favor, but otaka's indecision of kyiv played in favor of the fact that the ukrainian troops were withdrawn, a quote about how they met the ukrainian military in crimea, this is the memoirs of a centurion of the unr army, he already emigrated, described the details of military operations under the control of a bichana who writes on the simferopol railway yard of colonel bolbochana, was met by deputies from the local self-government, who met me the entire population of simferopol sincerely as he was greeted by his

savior in the person of a ukrainian the army firmly expressed its joy that simferopol was occupied by ukrainian troops and not the germans. the deputation asked bolbochan to visit the city government, which gathered in full to congratulate the ukrainian army and the ukrainian government when they entered crimea and what is happening with the fleet there, because it is the city of russian glory. unfortunately, this story ended with the trip of bolbochan and this group to crimea . russian fleet, because a few

days later, the blue-and-yellow fleet sailed from there with the largest number of ships, the germans did not say to raise the german flags, the russian factor was working when they decided to transfer these ships, that is, to that side, the novorossiysk and so on, but it ended for the black sea fleet, the fact that they, to put it bluntly, betrayed ukraine, ended in a disaster that, in fact, almost the entire black sea fleet was then sunk and it did not exist . sablin, who then commanded the fleet, he also showed himself in this way on the one hand, he is unsure, that is, on the one hand, by his order, on april 29, there is an organized raising of ukrainian flags in the fleet, and right there he allows, in the conditions of revolutionary times, the self-determination of the crews, they say, whoever wants to, you can stay there in sevastopol. the novorossiysk germans, for

their part, perceived this situation well treason, because at that time they were actually ready for the fact that the fleet remains under the ukrainian flag, they were absolutely not satisfied with the fact that such a fleet could potentially be used against them, it is being introduced somewhere beyond their control, and their territory is somewhere on the caucasian coast. and in fact, in order to prevent the further development of such events, they actually captured the remains of the ships that were there, that returned there , and they announced that these ships were there of the black sea fleet with their prize, that is, in fact, with their trophy, they kept them er almost the entire time while they were in ukraine, the process of negotiations began about the transfer of ships to ukraine, at that time already er, to the ukrainian state of skoropadskyi, they were conducted and in principle there in odessa, there er and on and even in crimea, in principle, the decision to

return these ships to ukraine had not yet matured in principle, but here there was already an anti-hetman uprising er intervention-entente defeats during the first world war, germany and ukraine again lost its chance to get its fleet in modern history, we also had rear admiral denys berezovsky for two days as the commander of the black sea fleet for two days and went over to the side of russia. how did these events with the fleet react then in kyiv ? it was not up to the fleet. unfortunately, she couldn't, well, that's how it was, there's bolbochan, there's

sikevych, both of them achieved their goals success in the crimea, the one in donbas, but now much more people know about bolbochan than about sikevych, for some reason, uh, let's compare their uh, well, such talents of military leaders. well, i think that the question here is not military talent, but more in political circumstances, yes, because bolbochan's political biography is undoubtedly much brighter than that of sikevych, despite the fact that sitkevich lived a long life , wrote memoirs, but in fact he died peacefully of his old age by death in emigration. that is,

his story is less interesting in this regard er, sikievych, he was already after this company in donbas. then he actually did not lead or command any troops or was a military officer or worked for the diplomatic corps abroad, well, in fact, it can be said that his role in the liberation movement is exhausted by these. bolbochan is a very bright figure starting from the very beginning when he was the head of a squad that participated in battles in kyiv, that is, from that time he already earned a certain reputation . probably because of that he was not appointed commander of the operation in crimea and then, of course, the figure of bolbochan in the context of the uprising of the directory and his tragic fate, because he is actually one of the few ukrainian military commanders of such a level, or maybe the only one, so he was actually accused and punished by death by the ukrainian authorities on the same accusations, so this is a tragic role, and it still causes a huge amount of discussion among ukrainians, because there are people who speak with there are positions of the zalbochans who speak from the position of petliura and the opponents

of the zalbochans, and this is the hertz that they still had it seems that the deputies look at him from the point of view of the state walkie-talkie. this political disaster led to his physical death. we know very well that bohorodchan enjoyed great authority in the army and so on. he was a very interesting man from the outside. well, for example, in those times, in a taxi, there were some low standards for sanitation and hygiene, and he changed his shirt every day, you know . he was always clean. 35 at

the time of the counterattack, he was a military officer eh, to- to your to- to your heart, you know and not always everyone liked it, and on the other hand, a military man is a person who obeys an order, there is an order that must be obeyed, non-compliance, i don’t say what kind of super -stringent punishment it is. actually, uh, this is the problem that ended tragically for him. -he is the head and uh, but still he stayed you know, he wasn't a military man, he wasn't a politician. well, it is possible to a certain extent that it is. it destroyed both of them. in fact, the tsar's military servicemen were 35 sikevych, 48, a little older. were their methods the same in advancing one to the east and the other to the south? yes , you can't measure

this with such standards. as you suggest, because different and different circumstances, different opportunities are different . when donbass did not have any such geographical ones donbass ends here, and here they begin, let's say there , the territory of the donskoy army, and that's why it's quite difficult to compare them as a military in this situation, everyone fulfilled their mission, it's important in what ways, or let's say with what efficiency, but the most important thing is that they carried out their assignment, summarizing what the consequences were for ukraine. here is this counteroffensive company in the south and in the east . a great legend

of the liberation of the liberation of those uh-problems was created of the ukrainian regions of the south and east, which actually inspires modern ukrainian soldiers, which inspires us because we see and the actual reason for today's conversation is an analogy that can be clearly traced . completely controlled ukraine, there was a ukrainian administration there, it was in the donbas, and it was in the northern slobozhanshchyna, after it was liberated, donbas was liberated, and after the other units of the zaporozhian division were withdrawn from the crimea, they were united

again. ghana region and voronezh russia, that is, on that border, they actually continued to keep guard here and there there are even certain monuments of their stay in those regions, the fact that they guarded the border there and even they had ambitions to move there, to move home, er, to conquer other larger territories inhabited by ukrainians, this indicates that ukrainian statehood, the ukrainian movement, it had potential, it had enormous potential, and that it is not some kind of movement of western ukraine, is it somehow a collection of marginals, because there is a huge problem that most of the battles of the ukrainian revolution are

actually localized there and there is podillia volhynia galicia that is, the main battles were actually there, and if we didn't have sikevych, if we didn't have bolbochan, then it would always be possible to reduce the entire ukrainian revolution to some regional phenomenon, simply to some phenomenon that was not studied by historians, but told by local historians somewhere in vinnytsia and khmelnytskyi regions, but thanks to the fact that these two campaigns were carried out, this counteroffensive in donbas and in the south was carried out we have the ukrainian revolution as a national significance, all regional, we see that ukrainian troops they fought everywhere in the south and in the east and in the north and in the west we see that the revolution is a matter of all ukraine and the potential of the whole ukrainian people and not just some of its part of it. and

the crimean operation of donetsk don donetsk the donbass operation of the 18th year, it remained in the national memory and this is our component part of our victory, which we are waiting for and pushing for, and what we can help at the front. and the front will win, ukraine will restore its territorial integrity and state independence." the only important thing on the air is the channel ukraine and with you lyudmila dobrovolska and my colleague oleg panyuk. good evening, today we are talking about what the russians are destroying our ports and destroying ukrainian grain who will protect shipping in the black sea and guarantee world food security moscow terrorizes the ukrainian south over onyx sound missiles why are they so difficult to intercept and what is the protection against them the production of ukrainian drones has increased hundreds of times while the russians brag about their drones we manufacture them without undue publicity but when we put production on stream it seems that the kremlin has outwitted itself as the main threat to foreign ships which