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is the south african republic a signatory of the rome statute, this means that the arrest warrant for putin should, in principle, be valid on the territory of this country, and for a long time the couple did not give the world any specific understanding of what they would do in the event that cyrillearamophos even said that there were certain threats from the russian federation to eurasia in the event that putin would be taken . the republic of cannes and eh, they still ask the court to give permission to arrest putin, that is, they formally fulfill their obligations under the rome statute. it is interesting. i think that this is a situation that he actually, by and large, all the leaders of russia tried to convince vladimir putin every day that he should not come to the south african republic. the president spoke about this, look at what they are talking about every day, that all these options

he offered virtual participation in honor of the eh regime, eh, when sergey lavrov will be eat my hansburg, putin will not come, but then i would say that the african union went all-in when the testimony of ramofos was made public, because they showed putin that aromaphos is not a person who can rule the court, and that is why they said yes, in fact, gramofos can give you guarantees, but the prosecutor's courts cannot give you guarantees. if you are arrested, aromaphos will not be able to protect you, so don't you be surprised, what was the story ? greetings, good day, well, we can say that

we have made sure that it is south african justice is somehow different from the russian one, at least or at least the svirillers, the apostle decided to show it to vladimir putin in eh we knew that justice is different and we talked about it in particular and in your program that the judicial system in south africa works despite the fact that one party has been in power since 1994, but this is not the first example when court decisions are made contrary to a-a government decisions , well, in particular, this is a-a matter of the fact that the government, for example , concluded a contract for the construction of nuclear reactor by russia in south africa and then civil society appealed to court there were violations in the procedure and the court canceled this much billion contract so that this is not the first such decision, but i would say so that not only the court not only did the judicial system be here many factors

, that is, again in south africa and a strong civil society and yes it is a democratic alliance well but the position does not have a majority in the parliament and it will not be able to win in the upcoming elections, it is already dealing with the ukrainian position, but it will not win in the upcoming elections, therefore, it is not only about the opposition, but first of all, the pressure that was from the side of society, well, the position is definitely included here, the second ramaposu still understood that for him it is obvious that it will not be very profitable, because in fact, again, if we look at trade and economic ties , the share of russia for south africa it is

very small in china and in russia and the main one the share is the west, the west, we know the pressure of south africa. well, i would say that for us, first of all, this is our victory, definitely definitely . and in his statement

the war was not mentioned, but the conflict was mentioned we see the result. that is, the pressure of various factors and various factors. and as a result, we received this very important symbolic victory, which means that we must work despite all the problems. if it is possible or possible after the victory to move on to the problems . of course , for what we are saying. but yes, of course, i will talk about these problems.

zelenskyi and the fact that she found herself in front of the bombing and it worked to some extent, yes, and now. if we talk about problems, look, i just returned from a big seminar in warsaw, where there were various problems of relations in the countries of the global south. there were many very experts directly from the countries of the global rooster. well, i am not a novice in this topic, after all, i visited ten countries and it seemed to me that i understood this situation well enough, in principle, in the internal affairs of all countries , but before that, i still- i was still. if only i had it seemed that it was enough to convey the true information to the africans and they would change their position. well, not only to the africans, and to that, let's say with latin americans, to indonesia and so on. in fact, the matter is much more complicated. in other words, we have to be very realistic about what these countries can do and what they cannot do, and the problem really lies in their anti-westernism, which is the result of

colonialism. and this because those ukrainians had a very strong impression that russia is our uh, we can't go anywhere without russia and the great russian culture. this has been in our heads for a very long time. the truth is, if we look at latin america, they have a very free anti-americanism. and that's why for them the concept of multipolarity, which russia and china advocate in their own interests , but the concept of multipolarity for the leaders of these countries is a natural concept, moreover , they constantly emphasize the neutrality

of their countries that they cannot cross because of neutrality and that's why we have to understand it once again it's not just luula there it's not just there ramopousa it's not just someone else it's very much in their minds in all societies including that and that's why it will take a very hard and long-term long-term work to change this position, that is, it won't be done from the jump, but once again there are victories, we see this victory in pairs so that it still occupied a slot enough well such a formal neutral and real neutrality with a bias in the side of russia's position on the insult, by the way, m-m

recently we asked the brazilians for weapons, the germans asked for shells for the leopards in brazil, they said no, we have a traditional policy of neutrality, we will not interfere at all, then we formulated a more cunning position, give us armored a-ah, what is the name of the medical medical vehicles so armored that we can. that is, it is not a weapon, yes, it is for rescuing the wounded, but they are armored. and that is interesting . the military said yes, we are ready, we are ready to provide it. well but it blocked it, so give me some, well, we see that some segments in the brazilian government are starting to change their position, again, all these countries, when we talk about that continent, it is necessary to understand definitely brazil, this is this, it is important and uh, and we need to listen carefully to what theses are heard there and catch all the messages . declaration

of wording regarding russian-ukrainian the conflict was fairer, it was tougher for the aggressor to be called an aggressor, and a war a war. can we hope that there, too, the accents are changing, the accents are shifting, and in the discussion between the countries on that continent, perhaps a slightly different attitude is being born, or at least a different vision of us and the russian federation is being born, or did i dream so? look, different countries have different positions. let's look at the final declaration that was adopted. i always encourage and teach everyone. i asked my students

to watch the original. today i watched it myself this original is finally in english. yes, if we listen to what russian propaganda says or what is sometimes printed in the media, including western ones. that is, look there on the eve of this. this is where the diplomatic struggle really took place, that is, the eu countries. they wanted to write down a tough resolution from russia, the aggressor is guilty of a crime, and so on. and so on . russia from the un committee on human rights, but there is countries like the cuba brought cuba bolivia, which are engaged in pro-russian positions other country, they vote from the un for the territorial integrity of ukraine by the way, that is, the latin american continent in

this matter is solidar this declaration paragraph 15, which is fully dedicated to ukraine means it clearly says that this is a war against ukraine, the russians are called, but it says a war against ukraine, which destroyed the world economy and led to an increase in prices, and so on. and so on, it says that these countries fully support the grain initiative and that these countries confirm their positions during the voting in the united nations. there are clearly stated resolutions, these resolutions at the beginning of the aggression in march and the last resolution that was adopted

in february about the territory ial integrity of ukraine and the withdrawal of russian troops. in addition, this paragraph states that a just peace must be established based on the principle of sovereignty, territorial integrity, and so on. that is, in principle, this also corresponds to our position, and that is why we did not succeed. russia is not directly mentioned there, but if it is said that the war against ukraine is condemned, then we all know who started this war, yes, that is, they were not able to include everything that was needed in this resolution , but in general, i think that this paragraph

is absolutely supports our position therefore i believe that this is also a victory, do you understand what the problem is when we read the discussion of these debates that are being conducted? well, we know how journalists like to submit . journalists need a sensation. well, not journalists like, uh, mr. portnikov or uh, the laundries of khrestina, who are very serious, who do not chase sensationalism, but who need it. i am very fair, yes. and those who simply chase sensationalism in order to have headlines and so on . the center of attention and this or that in westerners are also looking at the result like this. i say the result again, as far as i am concerned, it is positive. that is, once again. you understand that diplomacy is the art of the possible. we cannot expect that , for example, the countries of the global rooster will join the economic sanctions against russia. well, singapore has joined. yes, the economy there is strong, so we can expect african countries to join or latin

american countries for which the economy is weak . dependence on purchases are good simple ones, so we can’t expect that brazil will join the economic sanctions against russia, but maybe it will diversify and let’s see the result. if before the war, 60% of fertilizer exports were from russia, now this figure has dropped to 23%, they really diversified, that is, now a large part comes from canada. well, they buy the rest in russia because it’s cheap. that’s a simple answer for you. it’s cheap , but changes

are happening. again let's wait realistically, what can we achieve, what can we not achieve? if these countries, if a large part of african countries, yes, they are authoritarian, human rights are violated in them. can we expect them to condemn russia for violating human rights in ukraine? well, probably not, but anyway, the un resolutions condemning human rights violations by russia, they collect a majority less than for the territorial integrity of ukraine, but they still collect a majority, that is, some people vote

, for example, from africa, it is such a big country as the democratic republic of the congo, and other countries that will vote for the territorial integrity of ukraine, for example, kenya, nigeria, russia, etc. so, when it comes to human rights issues, they are received. therefore, again, there are obviously things that we can achieve, there are things that we cannot achieve, but there is movement forward, and i will even lead. platforms well, costa rica seems to be joining now, but in my thoughts because they have permanent neutrality written in the constitution, that is, they will join with certain restrictions, which means that it would seem that these small countries, but this gives us the opportunity to say that now in the crimean platform there are countries from all continents, so when they say that there are priority countries, it is definitely correct and we have limited resources , we almost have to concentrate on

priority countries, but even small countries have an important voice. they have their voice and that's why when we are here, here is an example. i think he is very eloquent. yes, small countries, but it is important for us to say that the crimean platform is now supported on all continents. by the way, at the beginning, we mentioned brazil, here we also need to understand that brazil seeks to present itself as a regional regional leader, that it is she who will protect the interests of flying countries at all forums and so on, but this is what the brazilian experts told us

. strategy among themselves, agreeing on the position that under the big question, yes, that is, they do not want to give this right to brazil, that brazil will speak for everyone, to say that it is very important for him , you know, such symbolic foreign policy things that may and may not have any important pragmatic meaning, but it is important for him to say, you see , what kind of initiative do we have and how do we promote it? scientific director of the kuchev democratic initiative foundation and we continue our international conversation with the following experts this is yevgenia gabryk, a senior political scientist at the center for the study of modern turkey

at calton university, and serhii labaziuk, a people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on agrarian and land policy, congratulations, so let's start, let's start with the situation with the so-called grain agreement, it has ceased to exist , but the president of turkey, the portal says that he will take measures that you year continued to act that he would talk to putin although he promised to talk several weeks ago, putin is not talking to him, we talked foreign minister lavrov said that we need to find other ways to help poor countries, but vdogan continues to hope that he will convince putin mrs. yevgenia, why is there such optimism on the part of the turkish president? is this feigned optimism? i don't think it is

optimism. says that i i am sure that my dear friend and colleague, president putin, wants to continue the grain agreement, this is part of turkish diplomacy - these are the messages that are sent in advance, but to a large extent they force them to become a reality, why will turkey conduct these negotiations with russia in any case, because it is beneficial for turkey itself, it is beneficial as erdogan's diplomatic success, which must be preserved, it is economically beneficial because turkey is among the top three countries to which grain is shipped, it goes to a large extent for export and processing, but it goes to turkey, of course. it is important for president erdoğan in the sense of influence on the region of the global south. there are other options for escorting convoys. however, ukraine is still considered risky in turkey because no one wants an open confrontation with russia. i think that there will be closed and open negotiations at different levels in order to use the diplomatic and economic power of turkey to force russia

to return at least partially here's to the agreement, eh, as for the actual thing exchange of statements between the ministries of defense of the russian federation and our country, i would just like to remind you that on july 19, the ministry of defense of the russian federation announced that all ships, regardless of flag, that will go to the ukrainian partisans in the north on july 20 will be considered by russia as involved in a military conflict . can't be secured either sorry for already tautology after that, the russian federation resorts to the following statement, the russian federation's statement about shipping in the black sea concerns requests to inspect vessels if necessary to see what kind of cargo

they are transporting. this is already the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation. it comments again on the situation when they have just felt the force and immediately take a step back, but it does not make it any easier for us. sergey, what prospects do we have in general to export everything that is already ripening and gathering on the ukrainian fields in july, in the end, the situation is actually it was difficult not only at the end of the agreement in this once and some events that russia today speak, and every time with the continuation of the next agreement it became more difficult, sabotage with the verification of vessels is what you just said, some other reasons they have invented, but all that is what we do. tychny and economically to speak in figures then processing agricultural products in turkey during the blockade of the black sea or the so-called operation of the grain

corridor increased by 38-40%. and this, in principle, is connected exclusively with the fact that they received more agricultural products from ukraine, where in fact they became a transitor of it, including processing, for us today, in principle, it is already a usual situation of manipulation of russia. therefore, both agricultural producers and traders, they were preparing for similar measures and increasing the possibility of exporting and transporting along the danube logistically, and with the help of additional transshipment capacities, it is also done today at the border with the european union, although we have, to our great regret, the continuation of the ban on exporting agricultural products to their country, like our fellow neighbors, the poles, the romanians, but the transit continues, and we have literally put into operation at least 10 additional

sites for transshipment of agricultural products in the last 6 months, and this will also allow, in principle , some volume to export our products which already today as you said, the mass collection began in central western ukraine as well, but of course this is far from enough to maintain the trend literally, here are the last events of friday. i want to emphasize that on the world markets, the price of products such as kripak has grown. and the domestic market in ukraine has fallen, and this was due to two reasons . the

news, in principle, provoked more somewhere pressure on the price on the domestic market is a bad trend because our agricultural producers need to sell their products to get income so that they can continue their work on the land, and this is the purchase of mineral fertilizers, masticators, materials, etc. the black sea grain initiative is excellent, while realizing that the west has in fact fulfilled all these conditions put forward by vladimir putin on more than one occasion. well, there is a problem with resuming the operation of the ammonia air transport , e

. and putin's todo in principle there was nothing for russia to demand from the west, is there not a certain cunning in this that erdogan wants to shift the responsibility for the final breakdown of the black sea grain initiative to western countries in the event that vladimir putin does not agree to any concessions in this matter, you can look at it this way . th side, and therefore russia has to agree to a return to the grain agreement and to stop the bombing and shelling of odesa and the ports of southern ukraine is again a feature of turkish diplomacy when it seems to everyone that turkey is playing a little on his