[000:00:00;00] before, because we need more and more drones, but already in several of our programs involving fighters from the frontline, the topic was raised that ground robotic platforms are also urgently needed to remove the wounded from the battlefield in order to remotely solve dangerous tasks from reconnaissance to detecting mines or transporting ammunition , and this does not sound so fantastic, by the way, because literally before the active phase of the war with russia, the armed forces of ukraine conducted a series of tests of several new models of robotic platforms that were developed

by domestic enterprises, and it was already stated that a long way has been passed and that the armed forces of ukraine need ground unmanned platforms as quickly as possible. however, now we see many examples of new flying drones, and domestic ground drones are still in the shadows . are developing ground and air unmanned platforms, my name is serhii zhorits, i am the director of the information consulting company defense express, which, together with channels and the press, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now we are joined by eduard trotsenko, this is the co-founder and general director of infocom llc, mr. eduard. i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day, but before the war, your infocom company was actively engaged in the development of various robotic platforms. and

what is happening right now, where is it going? the company with these projects, what projects are being developed . now, what is their status? we started to deal with unmanned foreign complexes since 2015 and, basically, the main goal was that our military vehicles were equipped with hybrid control, that is, it could control both a vacuum cleaner with a driver and an unmanned vehicle in this way. we had several developments. scorpio and affectionate

i-y understood one more moment что большие systems eh, they did not cycle life on the battlefield, the bigger the system, eh, the life time of this system, the less, yes, that is why the idea was to switch to smaller systems, these are robots. the gnome that allows eh to transport mines will also be kamikaze roads, that is, eh, in one end, it was possible to send them, eh, the other one, in its time, the development was this , that’s a favor . in the 16th year, we realized the opportunity by the way, you were pioneers at home, and now you are staying with the use of neural networks and artificial intelligence in order for robotic platforms to be able to move in space by themselves, detect some obstacles there, combine these obstacles, bypass them, actually, no other platform of ukrainian development does this, and the question

arises at what stage these projects are at, or has the ministry of defense shown interest in them, because i myself was personally present precisely in in the 21st year, when and welaska others the scorpion platform was tested. the command of the airborne assault troops showed what had happened since then. are there any changes the military has made to these projects, or is there a desire to purchase them? well, how interesting it is that there is a system connected to neurons

with networks. have developed a system that allows you to turn ordinary cars or armored vehicles into remotely controlled ones, there was a demonstration, it seems, at the kraz training ground there with a spartan car, now we will find a video, and in my opinion, this is a completely acceptable thing and for our conditions. when can we make any platforms remotely controlled? for the armed forces we showed the prime minister of ukraine how it was torn apart, then groysman would also have a certain interest in it, but further development did not work. and as i said, our main goal is that it should be some kind of standard of the lithuanian army that such machines should be equipped not only with the driver, but also

with remote control, especially in dangerous areas, so that the first to arrive is a car without a driver, without people, with a dispatcher. and precisely of remote control, and it is clear that in order to control remotely during work, there is a certain complexity, therefore, for line of sight, there is a second connection, this is also a perfect control, or it is allowed now, and it is possible to put it in starlink for better control over long distances. therefore, the project did not take root, there were probably some political moments in our country that did not allow kraz to successfully enter the

army. now then, what are the main problems in the relationship between the ministry of defense and private companies that are currently developing and offering such technological solutions, here are two questions: are there any developed requirements from the ministry of defense that we need robotic platforms of the first, second, third class, depending on the weight according to the parameters of other characteristics and the understanding that if there are such requirements , potential orders are defined for each category, and then for sure the life of manufacturers will become easier because he understands

that this is what the armed forces need and it will be purchased, are there any such tracks in relations with the ministry of defense? do you now oil probes have to decide what will interest the ministry of defense to work with defense information and with separate divisions ? many and massively, we were in our time before the war well, how did you project such a view on the laborious competition, if the doctrine was spread, it was the mosquito doctrine, that is, there are many small robots , and there should be thousands of them, and they should be the same as the thrones of the drone on earth, they also have their own functions, that is, intelligence and versions, and now, as it were, the present time

. it takes effort, so to speak but this is what the volunteers are doing now, this is definitely a big job with the volunteers to help us imagine our designs, and indirectly, and how to say combat application, you speak quite diplomatically. i understand that now, in principle, volunteers are the driving force of all our projects, starting from land drones, sea drones, underwater drones, but i am still trying to enter the area of ​​the state's participation in the main role of the customer in this process

, that is, do you know which robotic ones platforms are now needed by the ministry of defense or it remains a mystery to you for now. now we are resuming contact if eduard dotsenko does not hear from us and now, by the way, we can show the most common platform developed by an estonian company and this robotic platform has already been purchased by 11 countries of europe and nato and we have a video of a platform called service produced by the milgema rabotics company, we will now look at this platform which does not look unusual difficult, but it became

extremely popular and estonia actually became such that it was a pioneer in the development of such a modular platform, a platform that led everyone and here, mr. eduard, now we have a video. if you are now watching this, it is an estonian platform from the milgeem robotx company and it satisfies all the nato military countries. is there an understanding that we can do similar things using our developments and can we take as a basis such an approach in order to well, not invent a bicycle and do something that will definitely be of interest military companies they also have quite a good development. i think that our ukrainian engineers will also sow such a solution. well, the shape should be different, and not only the tracked type , but

also the wheeled one has its own advantages. a smaller platform that is smaller than the scorpion where the scorpion is actually used as the mother of these four solutions, which of them do you consider to be the most promising and which needs, relatively speaking, such a promotion that the military should consider this project and find some options for interaction with your company, tasks for and we have chosen for ourselves here are the basic platforms for us, which can be such a universal

platform. and-and a platform on which it is possible to install torelli, it is possible to install manpads, eh, various grenade launchers, and also for the transportation of eh, well, for the transportation of mines, for blasting in one field. here and eh, that is, it has a different purpose, and that is why the main direction of this is a small system, the possibility of remote control, both in direct line of sight and the possibility through rapiers.

through the gate, that is, you are now supplying the armed forces with a modular solution based on the gnome platform, and as i understand it, here we are still developing, too, this is a system related to e-e with active layouts, for example, it is a leopard tank for tracking, it is based on a jeep, and it is possible to say that stationary control of layouts is also a gps from above, which resembles a leopard and is remotely controlled . dart thank you very much for your explanations. i would like to remind you that the ministry of defense

has created such a technology aspirator. next week there will be a certain closed meeting among the developers of robotic platforms. i hope to meet your company there, and as a result, there will probably be some public things that we can complain about. i would like to remind our viewers that eduard trotsenko, co-founder and general director of infocom ltd llc, was on the air of the express channel, and then we move on to another topic, or rather to the same topic, but another guest joins us, dmytro umanets - he is the chairman of the supervisory board of the association of manufacturers of arms and military equipment of ukraine, generals dan reserve, dmytro, i congratulate you, i welcome you, the studio and i am glad to see you, mr. serhiy, general, i would really like to see you that you tell something about

the enterprises of the association that are currently attached to the production of robotic platforms because i remember that there was such a platform called the peacemaker, it was even shown at the parade, the name was very good, it was just right for the use of anti-tank guided missiles, it looked very good that now with this project, peacemakers really do exist, they said everything is correct, it means that the company that is working on this program, they are already modernizing something according to this program and , in general, everything is going well. the bad thing is that

unfortunately, until now, there is no such thing in the state the so-called program in order to speed up this project because this project really deserves a lot of respect for first of all because we will have much less people die and our state leadership rightly pays a lot of attention to this if you compare it with our enemy, they have more people, so they can destroy this one or put this problem to destruction, and we have to preserve our people. especially since our best people are fighting at the front, this

should also be kept in mind as regards concretely means robotic systems, they will be able to be used for various purposes, you understand, starting with the fact that you can put weapons there, let’s say, a caliber machine gun or

an anti-tank anti-tank weapon in order to destroy tanks, you can use these robotic systems to transport materials, ammunition, wounded, etc. there is an opportunity serhii to convey to the state leadership that the state needs to get involved in this process, the program of allocation of funds in the garages in these same processes cannot be carried out now, this is already the past, as they say, and so this is the most important thing for the state to pay attention to this project, to this program now. well, i think you have no fewer connections of authority than i do. and you have contacts with all the chiefs of the branches and types of troops, and the question arises whether you tried to convey to them what is really already the next step is not to continue creating robotic platforms in garages, because in fact, without a systematic approach, we will have such units of samples instead of having a mass production of such equipment, and then the question arises, what could be such a main impetus for the state to change its attitude towards companies that create such

technologically complex samples? the parliament, the president, and so on, and so on, well, first of all, the leadership should understand that this is really a very effective means of destroying our very difficult, evil enemy, which will not go anywhere even if the war ends, this neighbor will remain as an enemy. that's why we need to think about weapons of disarmament in ukraine, and now and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, you understand .

where but uh mostly issues were resolved somewhere at the middle level, at the level of the department of management and so on, but not always these people, er, er, understand, they understand better if they come with a ready-made project, you understand. well, i don’t want to offend them too much, but unfortunately, to this day, they think more about pockets, you understand, and not about the state , unfortunately , i

have already said this several times in my speeches before. the middle class is what we call, you know, to replace people with more progressive ones. more people who understand what operatives solve problems, questions, instead of listening and doing nothing. well, i looked it up. thank you very much for including for your realistic assessments of the current situation. after all, we need to make a joint effort to change the situation so that all the developments that are in different companies will still advance to production much faster. in the near future, i will try to highlight the issue because it needs to be resolved. thank you, thank you for including our viewers. i will remind our viewers that several of us from the press were dmytro umanets, the head of the supervisory board of the association of arms and military equipment manufacturers of ukraine, the reserve lieutenant general, and then we will talk about drones, but they are already airborne. there was such a large package of american aid for 1.3 billion dollars, within the framework of which attack drones will be manufactured by american companies for the armed forces of ukraine, but there is

another solution when ukrainian companies initiative companies do not want to wait and do their projects with their own money, in particular, this is how the project with an unmanned complex called back-fire appeared, about this development in a conversation with the teams that created this project, we will talk in the next part of our program after a short information block, turn it on when everything is as you want click and you are in the world of maltese - click and around the world of cinema and then what is needed megogo turn on hundreds of channels in thousands of movies and sports is a

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we talked about your unit, which attack drones are you currently using to destroy the enemy precisely and we use our backfire plus some fv drones, then we move on to the backfire project itself, what is its peculiarity, what was the reason for its creation, what are the tactics of use, and so on, that is, what kind of project is it, see the reason for its creation - it is, there are few of them in principle of this uav format, there are few of them on the front, we needed a means that would allow us to hit targets in relative terms the depth of the enemy was there

created this very uav has been created for more than a year, so all this time we have been improving it, this uav works at a depth of 35 km, and one of its main advantages is that it does not have radio communication, radio control, it flies along the route, we have a protected technology that allows us to enter it without radio communication interference , the question arises. and moments before you start like that. that's how ours works intelligence gives us the coordinates of goals and eh-e he bombes on the coordinates of the ee he has a ballistic calculator that calculates where at what time he needs to lose the bomb one or two e-e and he automatically does it quite successfully and accurately and the mass of useful loads there . staffing of production increase in the production

of complexes so other but the only problem is that there is not enough finance, we need finance for scaling to bring it to the final product, there are still a few points that need to be completed so that it can be transferred to the troops, and we want to put it into service, in principle, we are engaged in this, i think somewhere in the region of 1.5-2 months, it will officially enter service and guys from other units will be able to order it through the ministry of defense, they did not use this potential of the accelerator of the ministry of defense there a new structure has been created there, which is directed at you to speed up the delivery of new developments for armament, this is just under deputy minister gavril, i think that it is possible and it makes sense to go there, and the second version is to work with him on the numbers, there is this structure of brainuvan, which also promises support for teams that create new samples, this experience