[000:00:00;00] zhigul is not taking them into account now, it would be very strange and very clever. lukashenko is very dangerous for a person. it is very dangerous for us to witness any movements around. it is so easy to bring 2,000 people, if it is 2,000 people, to belarus, then he has no plan . the game may have been moved to toska

but on the territory of belarus, for example, there are several tens of thousands of russians, this is for the formation of training, the centers are located there, they remain there now. so, significant additions to the already existing units of the ministry of defense of the russian federation do not arise there, well, there will be another 2,000, this is 2,000 people, the second thing is that it is impossible to give them weapons, heavy equipment, this is because you cannot know . in general, i put these risks to me. lukashenko seems to me просмотровается it seems to me that there will be no large-scale military training, etc., on the part of the guy wagner with the sanction of lukashenko, thank you mark for this frank and interesting conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that mark fagin, a member of the russian opposition in exile, worked for them on the espresso tv channel, is a former member of the state duma, handsome and still come here, the time of our program has run out , stay with the tv channels with the press my colleagues

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a.m. the world during the war program is on the air every week, i and my guests discuss the most important things that happened in the world during the last week, that is to say, well, we try to at least look ahead. in the next seven days, in order to prepare for what these seven days can bring us, this week is not an exception . i will introduce the guests later. and now i will do what i must do at the beginning of each program. youtube we have two channels, the general central one for espresso and a special one created for our program the world at war, so on this special we ask you a question every week and we want to hear your opinion, your answer this week is the question so why is putin shelling the center of odessa in

this case exactly? a rocket was flying there, something happened to it. a more accurate russian weapon fell, unfortunately, it fell in the center of odessa. well, your option is possible. you can write in the comments. please answer this question because it is extremely important for us. we need to know your opinion. well, this is extremely important for promoting the channel in the complex algorithm of youtube . they are planning for this. it is also important for promotion that you

like the program. who doesn't like it is also important for us. although i am sure that there will be very few dislikes. well, please write in the comments, write everything you think about the topics that i will discuss with my guests today. well, today the first two guests are ready to introduce me. political scientist volodymyr tsybulko, mr. volodymyr, has joined us on skype. congratulations, glory to ukraine . glory to the heroes. thank you for joining the program today. before i ask you the first question, let's listen to two quotes, two quotes made by the allies, the first let's listen to the master of the kremlin, the world's main bandit criminal putin, let's first listen to what he said on friday afternoon, for a piece, all this to belarus, you hear the honor of the union state and unleashing aggression against belarus will mean aggression against the russian federation , we will respond to this with all

the means we have, putin said on friday then lukashenko flew to him with a planned visit, met with him and even thanked him for the fact that for the first time the leader of russia said such words that an attack on belarus would be considered an attack on an allied state and so. during this conversation with putin and lukashenko, he spoke a lot . they were unpleasantly thrown, they fought near

artemovsk, er, they know where she was coming from war technician and in them in this kind of sits sitting this kind of bias, i brought them in the center as you talked with belarus, they would not want to pre -isle them. these two statements and in the end and much what they said during their meeting, please tell me please a-ah statement about poland to what is all that for the map

of these two criminals now start playing well, first of all, putin needs to tie lukashenka deeper, let's say, so that he won't be alone on the gas bench . all negotiating positions under the beginning of some kind of peaceful dialogue of negotiations why because prigozhin's raid on moscow suddenly aroused the serious interest of world leaders and world leaders suddenly began to communicate with putin asking what happened what happened to you fighters and the like therefore now if prigozhin is thrown into battle again under the idea that here we have such a needle between the state of the local

spill that is eager to attack as if it was not moving freely what is the corridor although everyone knows very well that if on the side of white of russia we will have a strike on minsk lukashenko, he should transform the population in the meantime for the uh decisions, well, look, let’s say two more words about the partisan whom you mentioned well, but these statements that they are eager are really eager, this is what exactly lukashenko and sheltered in the partisan or there could be something else hidden there, well, it means that he congratulated him only so that such statements would go in reality well, who asked lukashenko should we or should we not? well, let’s say hide you shoved the beauty into

lukashenko's pants so that he would be an additional controller for lukashenko lukashenko, god forbid, in the style of the bulgarian government in world war ii, when it quickly started with the anti-hitler human alliance and jumped on the hitler coalition, that's why in moscow they don't trust lukashenko and want an additional controller, so lukashenko can't hope to get anywhere, he's basically the country, so for lukashenko, all these wagnerites are a way to once again intimidate us, because in reality , the wagnerites are not there is no military effort, the entire

technological forces of nato, except for the polish ones, stand nearby and lithuanians abroad in belarus there is also a division of the usa somewhere in the area of ​​the ukrainian corridor located in the north of poland in the baltic countries, there are also contingents of aviation armored infantry to maintain security in these countries. well, they do not make the weather, but you can make a media phantom out of them and create a certain negotiating position waiting for the light, especially when there is an agency of influence in europe and it suddenly takes out this trump card and begins to intimidate the population of certain european countries

in order to push politicians to to to negotiate with russia, well, in fact, putin is screaming with all the numbers of his little soul that i can’t negotiate anymore, don’t fight me. come on, he needs to be beaten and eliminated as a model of behavior, potentially for these, let’s say, the dictatorship of the next times, mr. volodymyr should learn a serious lesson from this. they would have scared the west if they weren't there. they didn't screw it up

, anyway, you say 2,000 wagnerians won't do it nothing but some kind of media publicity, the media publicity is because, for example, yesterday the minister of defense of poland said that they are bringing additional troops to their eastern border, right up to this sovan corridor, so maybe they are still afraid in the west, they will react like the soviet regulations if there is a threat of some unexpected military candidate approaching the border, and of course that a brigade will be sent abroad at least to oppose this contingent or more depends on that well, it must be said that the polish troops extremely high-tech and very well trained, that's why putin and lukashenko don't see anything here, and what was shining, for example. do you have any information, perhaps more information about that? and why else did lukashenko come to putin now because, compared to other meetings, this time they talked about the economy, but they talked a lot about ukraine, because as far as i remember, during the previous

meetings, they also talked a lot about ukraine, but there were more economic issues of some intra-allied nature state questions, and there are just a lot of things about ukraine, what can this indicate? well, first of all, putin has only two such big prosecutors left, he is not going to south africa for brics, and now he is supposedly not even for the twenties, and it gave me fear in the eyes. that is why it was necessary to immediately play out putin's international activity, which is why they are convening it, and africa, where putin will be, so to speak, to inflate so that i not only lukashenko, who

apparently made his last visits to africa needs to intensify his interest on the african continent, if the potato leader comes to st. petersburg, it is likely that lukashenko is here to lobby for the export of some volumes. especially since russia cannot currently produce. well, we are in a state, in fact, due to the collapse of the machine, agricultural machinery and the like, but the ukrainian sun has some tractors and e

. all these heavy technologies are belarusian machine builder complexes well, i think that the only thing i could offer for africa, well, no, in principle, africa needs min-fertilizers, too, well, not oil, but belarusian products instead of russian ones, here russia is an option, will uh-e give up any market uh-uh, well, most likely, he will promote his um-fertilizers and uh, machine-building products. the maximum that he, well, there is no lukashenko, the conqueror of africa, of course, it sounds so pathetic, mr. volodymyr, tell me he has already visited the laska, he has already visited the women, he is so kind

that he even gave a tractor as a present to the president he brought a tractor with him at one time, i remember yes, volodymyr, let's close the topic of lukashenko. please tell me. last week, the members of the european parliament appealed to the leaders of the countries of the european union to turn to the international court of justice in the hague with a request to issue a warrant for the arrest of lukashenka, the same as the court in the hague invented for the arrest of putin. do you think this is real? by the way , the belarusian opposition was the first to discover that the belarusian red cross on behalf of lukashenka by kidnapping, that is, abduction children, and the authorities have moved 3,000 or so ukrainian children to the territory of belarus. lukashenka is also interesting. in general, i want to, even though i tried to somehow ferry those children to

ukraine, because the ukrainian authorities have a direct channel of communication with lukashenko . ukrainian children . she is surprised. to be honest, i understand. thank you, mr. volodymyr. thank you very much for participating in our today's program, they talked about putin lukashenko, experts heard expert answers, expert comments from volodymyr chivlka, a political scientist. well, we continue on. and now i look, i looked on the internet before introducing the next guest, who are we? how many people are watching? that putin

is shelling the very center of odessa to intimidate by chance, your option is considered by 89% for intimidation, er, by chance they don’t believe that the missile flew flew flew precision russian weapon got tired and fell by chance only 4 er percent believe and 7 have their own option i hope they wrote their own option in the comments right there in the comments we can read

it well, i introduce my next guest with whom i continued today’s program, this is oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies oleksandr vitayu kudos to ukraine for joining well, let's talk with mr. volodymyr tzibulko, uh, a lot about putin lukashenka, about their a-ah, now their meeting and romance, i don't know what to call it. a romance from a romance, but i didn't talk to him alone, what i want to talk about now is the shelling, not just the center, uh, of odesa, the shelling, as a result of which one of the rockets hit the holy transfiguration cathedral of odesa , is this being done on purpose, or is this a high failure - high-precision weapons well, i think that they are in a temple that legally belongs under russian control the branch of the orthodox church in ukraine was intentional, but knowing the accuracy of its own rockets of analogavnetov e-e weapons, of course what e-e when they aimed at the center well, i understand that e-e you can invent some e-e related to the ukrainian authorities or military objects, but understanding such accuracy of course, a normal country , a normal military would definitely not choose such targets , simply considering the possibility of getting

into civilian objects, but since this is a war, it has a gene cidal character since no one is going to save the russian-speaking russians on the territory of ukraine, and ukraine must be destroyed, destroy its industrial potential, yes, in fact, we can say that urbocide is already in full swing, and of course , volnovakha mariupol is the same, that is, in fact, in its own

. sense of ability to support myself, i have the economic infrastructural capacity in the sense of the future, since it is clear that the strikes on industrial facilities not related to the defense industry are primarily aimed at preventing us from having the ability in the future to generate enough resources to support the armed forces. well, by and large, even return those e -refugees, more than 5 million who are now outside ukraine, and 6 million internally displaced persons for their hometowns in order to raise the economy. that is, it is the destruction of the ukrainian economy nation and a side effect, but a positive effect of the attack on odesa was also the reaction of half of the moscow patriarchate. well, in fact, the russian orthodox church, you know, was very pleased that they finally began to use the words aggression russia in the right context, and not just abstractly, that the lord let them go, and you probably heard how mertvokhanov reacted to

it . so that their townspeople would come back a little and they too understood that katsap peace is russian peace is the destruction of everything else and there is no difference whether your native language is russian first there or whether you are proud of these roots there is a story that pushkin was walking there somewhere no you are just for destruction look today i read in the morning that officially the representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of china mao ning condemned the use by the ukrainian armed forces of ukraine of cluster munitions that we received from the united states of america and

what such way using these cassettes munitions, says paupani maunin, and at least one russian soldier was killed. well, she said that this is exactly the negative consequence of using cluster munitions, that it is not a selective action. in a word, it is such a condemnation of the use of cluster munitions, and after the shelling of odesa, odesa region, and odessa wheat grain hangars in the same mrs. maunin comes out and says, well, yes, in some passive voice, she said well and we are monitoring this in their embassy and the victim - the embassy - sorry, not the embassy, ​​but the consulate in odesa suffered from an explosive wave as a result of the rupture of one of the missiles and such a kind of passive reaction. please tell me what this can indicate. well, if you bring the words of one of the american presidents to the current situation, putin is the father of a son, but he is

our son . generally in other matters they are absolutely just an english machine. well, of course there is no free media in china. well, of course, all these clerks repeat russian messages like parrots, because their interests in ukraine coincide, because they see this conflict as a conflict of the west against russia and against some legitimate security interests of russia in the region and in particular with regard to ukraine, and that is why they say that the so-called peace plan of sizingwins was about taking into account interests and not returning to blocking

the confrontation, of course the chinese do not like it nata is in europe, because in fact similar networks and alliances are being created by the americans as allies and partners in the idetec region in order to contain china, that is, ideological from the point of view of the future confrontation between the united states and china, and the chinese have a way out to support the russian federation . we don't want that. that is, it's simple far formula on which china's foreign policy towards ukraine is based, including p oleksandr, i also want to ask to close such a topic clean russia, please tell me in general what kind of comedy, tragedy, tragicomedy with the detention and possible arrest of the so-called sharpshooter bitterin, this is what i read a lot of information about this from various sources . some say that

it is some kind of production. would there be any threat to putin in your vision of this the situation that this is actually happening there well, i think it should be considered in the context of the crazy blow that prigozhin made on moscow during this march for justice. that is, it is a blow to the autocracy, yes, that is, there is still one person who controls everything and she does everything right . of course, prigozhin criticized putin himself in quite such unpleasant ways, not only the military leadership, but