[000:00:00;00] that we have all of august and part of july ahead of us, and now, well, the process is getting faster every day. it costs a bit to equip a shelter that meets all standards. there is a difference between a shelter that is designed for , for example, 200 people and 800 for each person, from a child to staff there should be a certain amount of square footage, but there should be a certain amount of water . well, of course, if it is 200 people, there should be 0.4 wash basins, if it is 800, then there should be much more wash basins. this applies to classrooms, this applies to recreation areas, and everything else . well, the numbers here are very well, that's probably why

optimistic shelters are made... well, somewhere from one and a half to 2 million is the most optimistic, but i don't believe in these numbers because well, actually speaking, in order to equip a full-fledged normal shelter, which one will correspond exactly to the state construction standard, e.g. 2 million, no, no, no, under what conditional conditions, if we are talking about, for example , 6-8 million, this is, well, more of a real figure, if we we are talking about basements, we already have them the so-called modular shelters are there, in principle, they are half cheaper to equip, and they are also equipped with ventilation and water and sewerage, wi-fi removal, what should parents who decide whether to send their child to fine education pay attention to, if there is an opportunity to put aside

emotions and make a decision precisely in the interests of your child, not guided by the fact that, uh, we are all already tired because the child is sitting at home. only there is the computer playing and everything is already tired of doing things with it. it is located in how close to the educational institution it is the second one in what condition are the stairs there in what condition are there others especially if you have a child with special educational needs you should take into account that there are also specifics here you need to pay attention to whether there are classrooms or there again, living conditions and small children in the first grade there, they will need rest, this must also be taken into account. put yourself in the place of this

small child, will you feel safe there or not? we can check here, we rely on the conclusion of the state emergency service of course well, they are specialists, they evaluate and give certificates, we had a story when they even drilled a wall in order to estimate its thickness, there should be 70 cm of reinforced concrete, so they drilled in order to transfer should the walls be one and a half meters thick, yes, concrete, tempered concrete. and this is the norm for radios , which are now valuable. and for bomb shelters, that is , 1.5 m is what withstands a bomb, a direct hit by ammunition. well, if i'm not mistaken

from 152 mm there is an ambitious goal, for example, to have such a shelter at least one for each community or one school in each district eh, some such goal is to set ambition here, the question of survival if we do not eh responsibility for any bad case lies on the shoulders of those who will make such a decision. now every day the number of options is increasing. how can this problem be solved? for example, if there is no basement, there is a metro station nearby. if there is no metro station, there is a shelter. there are options by which you can purchase them, make design and estimate documentation, equip this shelter and solve this issue, but at the same time, if i am not mistaken, the money for this

is distributed from the state subsidization, anyway, the regional administration and local communities hardly have such budgets to build a full-fledged large bomb shelter about a traditional shelter of the fourth degree of protection is needed well, somewhere for 110 million uah, but it is from scratch it is from scratch with a pit with huge documentation with a huge roof of one and a half meters with two entrances and exits with the arrangement of the territory so that it is possible to approach and approach there, taking into account the principle of barrier-free 150 150 million at such a time as it is possible to buy a modular shelter that is assembled like a constructor yes, but still

it still meets these standards. it’s like the one that stands at bus stops in kharkiv, yes, it’s much better, but the principle is the same , as a rule, in our schools, there is a large yard . you can put this shelter in theory. bomb it question, we didn't check it, we really didn't check it, we still rely on the building regulations, but you still advise it as an option for an educational institution, it's better than nothing, but you're not sure that the state emergency service is priyma and will allow uh well, i guarantee i can't. but i am sure that the issue will be positively resolved at the briefing on july 12. oleg sinogubov, the head of the regional military administration, mentioned the sum of more than 200 million that the region has for the construction of shelters. how many

shelters do you think can be done for these money, we offer the head of the regional military administration different options from the lowest price offer to the highest, yes. well, of course, the highest corresponds to the most powerful shelter, the smallest corresponds to a less powerful shelter, maybe it will be a mix of these options, maybe the first, second or third option will be chosen how much is it to be well, in the best case, well, there is competition for this money between educational institutions in the area of ​​ten. of course, there is competition for projects. the defense council, which allowed the start of this preparation process, and in fact it was already ongoing, they were already preparing for it, so it continued around august of last year

, there are no such destructions in any city of ukraine, the process itself was not public. about the fact that there is a frantic request from parents and probably from some part of the students , it is about those who are physically in kharkiv, correct? do you know anything about those families who are outside of kharkiv or ukraine , or will this affect their decision to return of course, it will also affect those who are interested if schools are launched in kharkiv, they will return here. what part of schoolchildren did the kharkiv region lose because they go and study where they are? well, somewhere up to 20%. well, there are a little more than 20 communities where many are conditional two-year raisin well, we have the most

communities that have lost zolochiv volchansk , this is old saltiv, zirkuny, the kupyan district , especially the southern part and this part of the northern and sumy districts, these are those who have already been excluded from local schools, yes, yes, there to the school were completely destroyed where they are suspended the educational process and they were forced to transfer, for the most part, to our other regional institutions or to the city of kharkiv, or to transfer to institutions in other regions of ukraine, we have a school in which there is not even distance learning. the educational process, and about students, if we are talking about foreign countries, we have lost this market in general, no, we have not lost it this year, we will stabilize it, and from next year there will be a significant improvement at

the expense of the medical university and karazin the polytechnic and the hnore there is a request that the training is not physically correct, foreigners will not come to evaluate and study i understand that the middle east is conditional where people are accustomed to such circumstances, perhaps not to such circumstances, the question is because well, for example, from the middle east. so there is already, for example, the same series that supported military aggression of the russian federation against ukraine well, what kind of education will we deny them in ukraine ? i think so , that is, there is some kind of border ban-list.

two quarantine years in this year, did the children lose the acquired knowledge, what kind of dynamics did they lose a lot of those specialties where practical exercises in the humanities are needed , in the main, they did not lose anything, you can see this in the tests, for example, why do i mainly see from personal communication with rectors and heads of educational institutions that they complain you have a manager who is interested in convincing you that the water works perfectly. the question about perfecto is not relevant. school and two quarantine years, the beginning of the war. i found myself still working at the university. well, i know from my own example what it was like. adaptation will be necessary, what will it be? well, adaptation will be difficult, of course

, because we already have children who have completed the third year, and they have none days were not at their university, for example, what then do we mean by adaptation , what does adaptation look like, to interaction, to collective work , to communication, socialization, they will need skills, yes, of course, in the fourth year, but he was not a student physically, of course, for it will all be like the first time, the first assessment, the first exam, not because of e-e-laying in the form of a laptop or a phone, but in normal mode there will be stress, there will be panic attacks , nothing, at some point teachers and lecturers, students and students, what are they yet they will be watched there or they will go to the shelter for the first days and then they will begin to neglect them well, of course

, there are such fears, but we will conduct constant training, we will conduct control checks. that is the involvement in that including law enforcement agencies and the national education quality service, we will all carry out checks because this is a very serious matter . and what exactly can you check to see how the evacuation of the institution takes place during an e-e alarm, you will find out if they really know how to do it or if they know where the storage is or children can quickly get up and leave this storage room is there a door is there electricity or is there water the question is whether they will go there will be why not this skill this habit must be cultivated well how

not to walk must be done with considerations of safety and security, shooting, the highest measure of punishment. when lev was given this sentence, it seemed that his story was over. lukyanenko was accused of underground anti-soviet activities, and soon the sentence was changed. after 30 years , deputy lukyanenko wrote a draft of the act of proclamation of independence of ukraine on levko's birthday lukyanenko and on august 4 , 1991, ukraine became independent , great things begin from a young age, never stop, the state is us, we had enough strength

to stop the enemy at the beginning of the war, every day we we are finding the strength step by step to return ours and we will definitely have enough strength to reach victory . glory to the defense forces of ukraine, we are moving forward. and loved ones. we stand as an insurmountable barrier and the driving force of the struggle that destroys

the enemy and wins the victory . sofia chelyak and today we will talk with the military poet iryna chornoguz iro hello hello now you are a combat medic of the reconnaissance battalion and until 2019 it was actually impossible for ukrainian women to hold a combat position so a large company entered so for advocacy so that women who were actually on paper seamstresses or laundresses after all their business their rank was recognized yes but on the other hand uh you had little maybe you have opportunities and little opportunity to work uh in culture so write influence you are a strong voice

ukrainian culture and actually my first question, since you chose the path of the military, and why was it not enough for you to be a member of the cultural front, i hate this wording, but it is often used . and yes, and why was it important for you to combine ? well, i wanted to join the war as i was a volunteer in the 14th year, but then i couldn’t, because i became a mother in the 14th year . all these years i felt a debt to myself, as if someone stood instead of me and defended us, the territorial integrity, the sovereignty of ukraine. here i was waiting for an opportunity when can i also stand up for the defense of ukraine as well because the war continued we remember that every month during these years from two to 10 soldiers died at the front who were not noticed very often their participation

was not noticed by the drivers not to be noticed by me i remembered all this a and b in the 19th. when i finished my master's degree in mogilianka, my daughter was already a little older, i decided that i would do it. especially i also made this decision because i felt that there would be a phase two because they got crimea too easily donetsk luhansk and i understood that after that we uh, putin will try to continue his success. so, i wanted to be ready at that moment in my interview for the forms. i had time to say that i was going to the village with enthusiasm. yes , but you faced some injustice. advice for those who are now thinking, especially women and girls who are now thinking about whether or not to mobilize and join

the armed forces of ukraine or the national guard , what you should know and what you should remember when you actually start on this path. the first thing it is worth remembering that we are in such a situation that every woman who joins the army, especially if she aspires to get a combat position, uh, she will go through a long path of trials and obstacles, most likely there are exceptions , but as a rule, this is a path of trials and obstacles, you need to stock up i don't know with a very great stubbornness and such a resource that i, with this phrase

, i will be able to withstand everything. combat unit and that's a lot men doubt that there are commanders who are educated, intelligent, multilateral, who, um, treat it differently if they see that you are physically pulling out what do you want, that you behave normally under fire on tasks, they will allow you to do the same work, they will not try to protect you, but just they will allow me to do my work. i was lucky. something in my intelligence battalion happened to me. own work and well hmm i love my unit in conversations and actually we in lviv had the opportunity to communicate and it was the first presentation in ukraine of your collection design ah and in the interview you say eh you repeat like that first of all you are

a feminist so you you fight and support the fight for the equality of women and men, but as a soldier, you want to be treated as a human being, like a human being. regardless of gender, it is important for you so that they do not pay attention to and do not impose stereotypes, but on the other hand, we see so if we talk about more in general, we are moving away from gender issues, a more general attitude towards people in the army. and when they stop seeing defenders in soldiers as protective people, they actually do not create any image of a hero, so it is also stereotypical and a little amorphous. maybe even comical. and what is your attitude towards this heroization ? yes, heroization, and what do you advise people to do? if they want to thank me in some way , i will say that for me, the heroes in this war are those

who gave their lives and health, so they paid the highest price. for such fighters, i i myself consider myself a hero, and in relation to all the military, well, everyone has their own vision, obviously. if we talk about mine, i consider heroization to be a form of dehumanization, that is, hmm, i like respect more than heroization , because uh, when we do, and from the military , it means these statues and flights from gold and metal, which, on the one hand, freeze in front of them, and gave this oh heroism, and on the other hand, well, they are dad's stones, they are inanimate people, they cannot be, not them, they are immediately removed from the category of living people, and

accordingly it disappears from here. i don't know what it is human compassion, human kind of understanding of the difficulties that have to be experienced at the front and in this, well, in such a maneuverable war and the trenches are very active, which is going on now, that's why i would advise you to simply treat yourself with respect. often a hero is also a cliché and i know people who don't like the military very much, i.e. just respect, since 2014 there have been projects that tried to research this way , working with memory in this way, in particular, there was a project on how to remember the ministry of veterans, er, veterans too uh, he's working on that to remember so and to preserve it somehow, but all the projects related to that phase of the war that was calmer. yes, when there were not

so many casualties, that is, now we are in another phase of the war , which is active, which involves a lot of territory . unfortunately, it takes a lot of lives. do you see it ? do you have some kind of approach and how to dehumanize the memory of people, but within the limits of numbers? i think that the project is wonderful. it can be remembered and continued now. that is, we now live in such and such realities that we have to do everything. at the same time, we probably have a lot outsiders and do everything at the same time, in accordance with the memory of those who give their lives every day at the front for ukraine, uh, we need to talk about them already, here are the numbers, well, for me , i've been saying this for a long time, one life is too many, that is, maybe it's worth not now

talk about numbers and just talk about each person she who gave her life for each soldier separately here's what i don't like about the memory is when some kind of infantilism is added to it, they call the soldiers rascals , sons, children, this is very annoying because well, this is not a kindergarten, but what the military is going through in such a war and similar to the second world war that we are conducting defense , that's why it's worth talking. well, a fighter is a man, a man , a woman, a girl, with respect, i watched the people who write in the comments, you are our sunshine we are praying for you and for these people. these comments are some kind of manifestation of a-and this is their language of love , so someone is feeding. yes, i also saw many posts about stop bringing food, but i can't imagine how it is possible to prohibit cooking food

for fighters because it is her love language wants to convey, but here we are talking about the love language of civilians who show it within the limits of their experience and within the limits of their traumas, and we know that there is a love language of the military, that is, is it possible to find some intersection, that is, how is it right in your opinion, or if you wanted to expressed the language of love and respect. but i understand that this is the language of love. i myself receive such comments very often. i just don't care . that is, i will not write something rude to such people . i don't know. it is often the language of love in our country such silence. here is the understanding. i once told you this story personally without remembering. when it happened in march, my platoon commander died. at that time, we had battles in the volnova region. i also

told about them somewhere before. the story of what he called me well, he was in different positions then there was still maneuvering war somewhere even at zero kyivstar was picking up already, the connection disappeared but it was still picking up somewhere we didn't have enough walkie-talkies, we were in different positions uh, there we had such a rather difficult collision he called back to ask if i was alive, i said yes, we are running to you now. we were doing a maneuver there, going around to them, and when i came, he was already dead . so, i had the urge to cry, but they looked at my brother and said, no guy we can't afford it now, we will mourn them after the victory, that is, all of them. i don't know any words . it will be easier for me to say about them when there will be a certain

point, if we are talking about a point , that is, now, as i already mentioned at the beginning of the program, our conversation takes place within of the book arsenal and you present a collection, the design of this collection is, in fact, like a dot, the result of a certain period in your life . yes, i actually had the experience of reading this collection even before it was planned, so before the release and for what it is, i am very grateful to you and we i have already talked a lot about her and i will try to show you, my dear viewers, in general, and try to explain what the poetry of iryna chornoguz is, so many recommendations have come recently with calls to read, let's say serhiy shatan, it's been a long time yes, i was giving feedback on iryna's collection, that's what i would like, so we'll go back to the form of the collection, yes, the name of the collection, the name of each poem is in

square brackets. that is, you close each poem. and you close each title . i didn't ask you about this, but i decided that today's the conversation will always be a great opportunity to ask and can you talk about the fact that these square brackets and poems that you write are a kind of charm and spell, and an attempt , that is, to form and preserve. i really like your interpretation. by the way well, i understood them a little differently, but she’s beautiful, she’s so beautiful, i don’t know. it inspires more hope. i wish there was more somewhere in this collection. yes. and in general, all the titles are enclosed in square brackets. it’s such an ironic idea that we are all very strictly regulated in the space at the front, that is, our life, existence

, put in square brackets of uncertainty, here are all our truths that were revealed to me there and through poetry when i , well, that is, which i tried to reproduce in poetry when i wrote it, they are very soon fleeting and this it's not something that was created i don't know in terms of security , for example and what can i be sure of, that's how it feels, the name of the assembly, which must be written in square brackets, it's the design of the presence defense, yes, the design and what is it for the concept and why did you bring it up as the one that explains what is in the book? back in my university days, i really liked adeger's philosophy, this is his idea about being here and now, actually, and this means design