[000:00:00;00] here are all our truths that were revealed to me there and through poetry when i, well, that is, which i tried to reproduce in poetry when i wrote it, they are very soon fleeting and this is not something that was created in the conditions of security , for example, and what can i be in i'm sure that's how it feels, the name of the collection, which must be written in square brackets, is the design of the defense of the presence, and the design, what kind of concept is it, and why did you bring it up as the one that explains what is in the book, back in the day at the university she loved philosophy very much heidegger, this is his idea of ​​being here and now actually, and this means design is being here now

in the circle of things. i very often came back to this term when i had time there, had a little rest, and during these two almost two years in donbas, continuous well, being here and now, uh, every minute that you live, and in the defense, it is lived completely differently than here, that is, on the front, time goes differently , like some uh, there is even something about this in psychology , a day lived can be equal to eternity or these or the whole of life, that is, ah-ah talking about the truths that are revealed there, i felt that i could say in an appeal to such an existential philosophy about the elimination of things in your collection you

also populate and with mythical plots you return to the ukrainian baroque er you er try that is, you poetize for example, siverskyi donets, which actually appeared so often in poems and in ukrainian literature. but you find beauty in the fact that where you are. i also returned from donetsk region, it was my first experience of coming to donetsk region in general, i was still quite young when the war started, and for me these territories were not that dangerous, but it was just that i never had the opportunity to come and i was amazed by the beauty, that is from these meadows of fouls, i.e., i had a completely stereotypical impression, and from what was called donetsk luhansk for me, all regions, i.e., i imagined trikons, elevators, and here it was

completely different and your poetry, i.e. after that how i saw donetsk, i saw donetsk region, i saw how it sings and helps to record this region a lot, this is on purpose , of course, that is, donetsk region became a discovery for me, that is, i, as a person who was born in kyiv all my life and lived here in donetsk region until 2019, i hadn't really been, that is, i knew all these cities, mariupol, bakhmut kurakhove, and um, to severodonetsk and the border lysychansk, i discovered them all for myself . when i arrived, i also saw well , i recognized it as this wild field and off the beaten track, that's a lot of buses with the name er

in the donetsk region, they even refer to the tatars in this way, to these uh, that means the events , here is the village of tor, in which we uh, we held the defense , it's their tatars, that is, yes, and the region is certainly beautiful and uh, every admission has a special value for me because we understood that we have to stand, that is, to the end, and fight to the end for this land in order to preserve the sovereignty of ukraine, that it is here if it starts like this in our country. our modern ukraine. therefore, i cannot say that it was intended to sing what is this hmm this is it 100%, i feel even now a very longing for some places occupied in the same severodonetsk, pubs in mariupol, there was a wonderful coffee house, a reading room, and just that street

looked very clearly, it burned down, that burned down , that house, but this is what i will never forgive also in these places, if we have already started talking about donetsk region, one of the first texts, despite the fact that i read quite a lot of texts by authors from there about these places, but one of the first texts that helped me understand what kind of region this is, it was a text by olena styazhkina the deadly session made sense, and in this work there was an image of a woman, that is, an old goddess who actually protects people, so you can communicate with her only in cases of extreme danger, but this is a woman who actually helps and holds a-a hmm holds, that is, protects people from this

of the region and since we also went a little myth into poetics, i will allow myself hm to publish this phrase that i really hope that after all the woman will hold the region and after all her presence the presence of this woman who wrote screeds on me was very present local people are actually impressive with their strength in donetsk region. in what sense does 20 km away mean that a big storm is coming? well, like this one, and somewhere 20 km ahead, they manage to live a calm life , well, that is, someone thinks it's madness, so why not leave? no, but there is strength in this. i am certain, especially of these older people, that is, they are like the grass of this. they have grown so much with the winter that they are also a continuation, and

they are, well, don't be afraid when they are near you. i'm eating there are many older women who are there. for example, one lived nearby and says i always look to see if your car is in the place for the base, because it suits me calmly. well, there are people like that, that's what i once said. when it all started, i wanted to help there. to the soldiers and the first, just like me, this is work, i took it easy when i had to help the local population from donetsk region, it was a bit difficult for me , because, well, they didn’t deserve it , they didn’t sign up for it there just lived and kept this region alive that's why i'm so rooting for all these people we went on such very archetypal uh conversations so uh with finding

inner strength from the earth and protection ah and i can quote you in a program poem you write uh in the programmatic poem of the collection, you write that all philosophies disappear on the battlefield eh, in a speech at the warsaw book fair, you noted that war destroys civilization, but on the other hand, eh, the book is the pinnacle of civilization in addition to the archetypal and archetypal lands of the archetypal mythology of women eh so uh all of this history of ours, which actually holds, gives strength to move forward, and books continue to be written and read that books continue to be written, and even the fact that you write books and have the ability to do so, and this is our inner strength that helps us to hold on and not be burned out

damn yes war since we exist in this eternal circle of defense, this is also an important, important motive of this collection , and that is, uh, such a karmic circle of defense in which we constantly exist, not even for 10 years, but for 400 years, we are fighting for the right to have my identity shows that war is our life to a certain extent, that is, i try to humanize as much as possible what cannot be humanized. that's why i don't know. the collection was probably a certain kind of thing. i don't know. it's a protest against the fact that war is space. where everything is destroyed. here i decided that there must be some trace of her in the culture. well, in the same way, now all the military who dare to publish their

texts were written during this period , they are also probably trying to leave it should be, because it is not known what will happen to you there in a couple of months, or it may well be that it will last for another year, two years, three years, and well, we are all, yes , there is a long gap in the queue. that's it. i think that even when fighting, you need to try to live every moment as consciously as possible as much as possible and don't let the war devastate you, that is, if i loved books, philosophy, culture , ukrainian culture, literature, i immediately set myself the goal that i would not lose it at the front , that is, the front resets everything, shoots memory , in fact, you forget the language, it's all there it is it fills you up so much that you forget everything however, i decided that this is all me, it will stay with me, i will not forget it and therefore

, this is enough for the benefit of er, our conversation takes place because of this, i will remind you within the limits of the book- er, within the limits of the book arsenal yes, it is a big festival where people gather where poems are read, not always poems about war, where some topics are discussed , where music concerts are held, where you can buy books, is it important at all, is it necessary to hold such events during a war, yes, and what is the danger, yes, in that that, for example, people who came to arsenal, most of them. that is, they are people who came in beautiful dresses. i am sitting here today and it seems that nothing is happening. is there a danger that people are getting used to living with war and continuing peaceful life with war it's not that it's necessary to hold such events, it's necessary because ah, well, to bury oneself means for as many years as

there is a full-scale full-scale mourning, it's tea to play for defeat and not for victory. here i remember how i once had to, er, from the front well when i was let go for a couple of days to rest and drive through one city . well, i will be in this for the rest of the day. we were driving at 7:00 in the evening. everything was dark , turned off, black. you couldn’t buy water anywhere on the road, even at the gas stations. everything ran out, that is, we just drove and i was alone. she remembered our land, my slavyansk. what is there on such a day? well, it's also dark, but you can buy something there, that is, well, i didn't really like this complete immersion in darkness and mourning . well, because, well, we are at war. for life, so

that people can continue to talk to each other this is how to lead one's life here, to walk and rest, er, to talk about literature and books, it's all very important, that's why i'm happy that such events are held, and for now, i'm in kyiv with my daughter. i'm very glad to join, it's not always easy well, if there are a lot of people, but it’s still very nice. that’s what you need to do, and i don’t know. some military personnel may have a different idea. i’m the only person who consciously chose the army and war and how about another profession . it's absolutely normal for me to see light-open cafes and the art arsenal is here in kyiv and that it all works very well thank you very much, thank you for your work thank you for continuing to write, we all actually after your two collections will wait for the third and

then the fourth and i really hope that in the near future sometimes you will be able to write not only about the war , but also be able to write and look for other plots, so especially go to ficshin eh, and our life will finally be such that it will be possible to calmly invent something with a plot because some other plots because it will be quite simple and boring so a little bourgeois finally thank you sofia for this conversation and i remind you that this is a program cultural instinct on social culture my name is sofia chilyak and today we spoke with iryna chornoguz, a ukrainian poet and also a member of the military armed forces of ukraine, see you in ukraine, the revolution was about to start on a day earlier, but it was an inconvenient day, one of

the student leaders, marok ivashyshyn , was getting married that day, the resignation of the government, new elections , the refusal to sign the union agreement, his own army in support of the demands of the hunger strikers hundreds of thousands of kyivans come out on october 17 and vashchyshyn announced a hunger strike, the victory ends, not everyone believed in this statement then, but within a year , almost all student demands were fulfilled , the government changed, ukraine declared independence from small steps , big things begin, the next step is your state, we were shooting because we understand that our main wealth is our people, that's why we are happy for every

ukrainian, ukrainians who were saved well , we stand because we know that there is no such thing as small help and we are ready to support to the extent of our the projectile of possibilities only strengthens our unity and desire for victory, we will emerge victorious and recover from the ruins, washed away by the people, and we are driving the russians thought that they would fight with the ukrainian army, and he cried, and

we cried on the roads, we cried like a mustache, they will fight with the ukrainian people, there is no vacation there is a war. we must fight. we collect charging stations for the boys on the front lines. lobodina elmantas. i am not a hero . i am just a person. vasyl stefanyka, i studied here and i continue my work. good day, i am glad to see you all. thank you for meeting me. before we move on to the topic of our class, i want to talk to you about documenting war crimes

. first of all, i want to ask you why it is important. and why is this necessary, somehow, after the war , we will catch the courts and properly collected and submitted evidence will be a stop to the fact that ukraine will still win even the right-wing horn, well done , i teach local self-government as a constitutional right and legal deontology in general, during this time i have been teaching from the supreme person as a true professional in his field. he is always interesting to come on couples with him. it is always interesting to talk with him. i love my job for the opportunity to communicate with students because in fact they teach us more than we teach them. before the war, i did not think of changing my profession on february 24, we started with a phone call from a relative who informed us that the war had started. they got together with their wife and

went to the supermarket. they left the supermarket right at the exit. we heard an explosion a few minutes later. seconds, we saw a huge column of smoke rise in the area of ​​the ukrainian airport in the first days of the day, we did not understand how events would develop and we still made the decision that they had to leave home, we went to the hungarian border when he respected us and he cried and we cried and this they were crying on the roads. you see, you imagine that situation. tears are coming to my eyes because it was very difficult. to be honest , they behaved very well and adequately showed no fear. in a very short period of time , everyone understood what they should do on which

he will show himself as best as possible to the place, and that is why ivano-frankivsk became a kind of rear after that, first of all, we began to take care of the displaced people, people came with nothing , in fact, we helped them with housing, we helped with some kind of first aid for internally displaced persons, they were used in dormitories, which are of basic purpose for students' accommodation, but at the expense of the funds collected and purchased with financial assistance , they were equipped with everything necessary . first, the ministry announced a two-week vacation. and he put the news on the website the institute has no holidays, there is a war. we have to fight, that is, it can be described in one sentence, we have to fight. i felt a great unity at that moment because everyone at the same time became close relatives, everyone understood that something needed to be done and everyone

tried to spend every minute of time with benefit. we have two public the organizations with which i cooperate, we came to the headquarters of our organization, our for our , here is the warehouse, here are the people with whom i work directly, greetings, greetings , greetings, ms. lydia, hello, friend yura, how are you? well done guys, they started collecting the 10th mountain assault rifle you asked for. it must still be in the heat. there are few people like stepan because he is very multifaceted. that is why he is valuable, but with our team, you give him a task and he immediately thinks about how to solve this task and when they call the first days and say that i have two or three hundred and i can’t take them from the battlefield

due to the fact that there is no transport, it’s scary , in fact, it’s god’s blessing or magic , there are goods that we lithuanian benefactors called him and said we are chasing you three cars. come to the border, take lobodina elmantas. glory to ukraine, we are located on the territory of our hub, we have such a permanent one here, we have a very cool garage here, where cars are repaired , we have a constant flow of military vehicles here, because cars are such a certain consumable and guys they are constantly brought in, bought, then we buy cars, then we repair them, the importance of transport at the front lies in the fact that very often a car is not just a means

of transporting personnel or ammunition a car is a place where you can sleep, where you can transport a wounded person , again, the leitmotif of all this activity is people, there is no such thing as someone relaxing or someone forgetting . at least peace is sleeping, here we are in our small warehouse, the next warehouse here we can see the last delivery that the lithuanians helped us with, it is waterproof plywood , solar panels also arrived with it the fact is that we have a huge help from the lithuanians a, which consists of four european pallets, pallets of solar panels of different power, solar stations - this is a separate episode that has a very interesting beginning

, it started with elmantas, this story elmantas is a lithuanian from the city of yunava, who is a specialist in alternative energy, and he collected help, including solar stations, and brought it to ivano-frankivsk , and at that moment yura called me and said, “there are panels, i’m lithuanian. maybe we could do something with that. well, i i agreed, of course i say let's go in fact, here we set up a stage for a workshop where we assemble charging stations for the guys on the front line, now we actually have three charging stations at the finish line and which we are completing helps to recharge

drones in their phones well, it is primarily for our soldiers to contact their mothers and it is the most terrible thing for mothers to live, our soldier if they do not know if their son is alive. we have already sent 30 charging stations to the front and now we have six more e-e in operation. in our station, they helped the de-occupation of kharkiv oblast in counteroffensive and in kherson oblast, our station has, in fact, along the entire front line, everything works great, they connected the star-link wires and we have a connection, we get solar panels from lithuania, everything else that makes up our charging stations we are already doing it here on

i am actually doing this for myself because the war will not continue, guys from the front will always come and ask who did what for victory . my son and i are trying to make sure that the station is, first of all, compact and transportable , so that it is not afraid of moisture, so that it does not i was afraid of mechanical damage, so that it could be transported adequately, so that it could be stood on, so that it could fall. one of our solar charging stations came under fire . it works, we install batteries in a plywood box, then the box is covered with polyurethane sealant, well , of course, all the wires are hidden inside, all the wires that are used, the box

is covered with a lid, in addition, here two handles are mounted that allow us to carry it with difficulty. when we lack something, motivation is first of all to save the state, save the nation, the desire to save life , to extend it, at least who of the men who has a son goes to the garage to do something and does not take him with him, this is a crime father can explain to a child what soldering is, what metals are , electricity , physics, these are all very interesting things.

look at what kind of birdhouses you make, made in a garage with a minimum number of tools, devices, and uh, without the need for any huge professional knowledge that does its job. anyone can do it, you never. well , i don't know how to do it, solar stations, panels , what's the point he sat in the evenings for a couple of days, he did the first station i remember, he did everything, we all went to that station and we look like this, and they are charging at our place, well , you understand, man, you have never done it and it didn't work here. it's very good. i'm not. he's good. a person i think he gives me a translation my father is the person i should follow ukrainians are a unique nation that does not exist anywhere else on the planet we have a unique ability to self-organize a ukrainian does not need a leader in extreme cases a ukrainian

perfectly understands what to do a ukrainian has a genetic memory which was formed over thousands of years, the russians thought that they would fight with the ukrainian army. but as it turned out, they would fight with the ukrainian people. and i am proud that i am a ukrainian. at the moment, the emphasis of the work is shifted towards helping the military first of all, and after the victory, we must continue what we did before the war, but with a double effort, because history, culture, law are the main foundations on which the existence of the state is based, ukrainians must take

one very simple lesson from this war a lesson on how to build and fill the state with content , no one will replace them , these words appeared 160 years ago, for almost 70 years they were forbidden to mention, now these words sound throughout the world as the anthem of freedom big things begin with small steps , thank you for your step, we are about her in our hands, but