[000:00:00;00] on the air from washington, the program of the ukrainian voice of america service, time, i am yuliya yarmolenko. i congratulate the cooperation of the usa and italy in supporting ukraine and opposing the russian war among the main topics of the visit of the italian prime minister giorgio young to washington. on the agenda of the meeting with the president of the usa, joe biden, according to the white house, leaders discuss joint commitment to support ukraine in countering russian aggression earlier on thursday, jojo molloney met with republican and democratic leaders in congress to advocate as a result of the meeting with the speaker of the house of representatives, kevin mccarthy, the italian prime minister emphasized that during the russian war against ukraine, the west must stay united to protect the world order based on

rules, many things are changing around us now, but there is something that some of us did not expect, we clearly proved that the western world is united and wants to protect the world built on international rules because without a world based on international order we would live in a world of chaos in which if there is a stronger army, it can attack its neighbor. this not the world we want to live in. we want to live in a world where we respect sovereignty and freedom. african countries clearly see the consequences of russia's decision to withdraw from the grain agreement, so in an exclusive interview with voice of america , the representative of the us national security council, john kirby , commented on the fact that on less than half of the invited delegations arrived at the russia africa summit, at the same time herby denied media reports that after russia withdraws from the grain agreement, ships with ukrainian grain in the black sea can accompany nato ships

world in cooling efficacy i think that the whole the world including african countries can clearly see the consequences of russia's decision to withdraw from the grain agreement what effect this will have on their economy on food shortages in the whole continent i hope mr. putin will be honest with them i hope he will tell them i am the reason why you will have even more problems with hunger and access to food from grain in your countries, where there is no active discussion now about the introduction of warships into the black sea. i think we all understand that this will only increase the tension and increase the opportunities for of potential conflict between western russia and that is not what we seek we want the grain agreement to be extended in short we will work with our allies and partners to find other land or possibly river routes if any are available john kirby also stated that the us will do everything possible to to help ukraine collect and

investigate evidence of war crimes committed by russians in order to hold russia accountable, at the same time he neither confirmed nor denied the reports of a number of american media that that the president of the united states joe biden allegedly secretly ordered the government to share evidence of russian war crimes in ukraine with the international criminal court in the gas a-ah there were scars president i would just tell you that we firmly believe president biden was extremely clear that we want to make sure that russia properly brought to justice for war crimes and atrocities in ukraine, which russian forces, paramilitary formations and private contractors such as the wagner group are clearly committing against the people of ukraine and we from the very beginning made it clear that we will help ukraine, they have a special prosecutor who is gathering evidence we will do everything possible to help them gather this evidence analyze this evidence and make it available to the appropriate international prosecution mechanisms that may

appear after the end of the war and this will include some coordination, some support for the work carried out by the international criminal court, but how to protect ukrainian women and children from russian aggression and how to attract of war criminals to responsibility spoke the day before the congress, the united states took part in the special hearings of the helsinki commission, among other services on issues of global criminal justice, from the state department betman skak - ambassador of ukraine to the united states oksana markarova virtually joined the discussion, and the prosecutor general of ukraine andriy kostyan monitored these hearings, our correspondent at the congress, kateryna lisonova , we will ask her all the details. katya, hello, congratulations . what crimes against women and children were discussed at these hearings, and what details about the investigation and the actual facts of these atrocities were spoken by the participants. russia kidnaps ukrainian children in order to steal the ukrainian future. such a quote from biden, the president of america, is consumed directly by the ambassador for global criminal justice

. she also noted that the russian federation kidnaps thousands of ukrainian children in this crime as well. all the governments of the russian federation are involved, from the very top, that is, from vladimir putin to the princes themselves, that is, from representatives on the ground who help to transport these children, but different locations, in addition, during the hearing, james gordon, md, of the mind and body medicine center, testified, and in particular, he noted that now all ukrainians are traumatized by this russian war in ukraine, regardless of whether they were abducted by the russian federation or were they are raped forever by the russian army so that they are simply witnesses of this war, and in particular he cited as an example the drawing of the eight-year-old sofiyka ukrainka from the city of irpin, in which she described what exactly this powerful moment is happening in ukraine now, during these hearings

, i suggest you look just now, every child and not a person in ukraine is traumatized, because when we discuss how to respond to this, we need a general response from public health care, which was aimed at treating this trauma, this was drawn by an eight-year-old sofia from irpin on the screen what sofia saw was a russian soldier killing a child, he was drawn in red, then behind him she drew a ukrainian soldier killing a russian, she looked at it with a certain relieved for a few minutes but then she shook her head and drew a plane falling with red rain on a russian soldier then she said now maybe now the russian soldier is dead this uncertainty in the future is the neglect of russian lives both children and adults are going through everyone this is a really powerful moment of calcium the main question now how prosecute those guilty of these acts, or did they talk about specific ways during these hearings, in particular, two points were emphasized

: this investigation and the actual prosecution of responsibility for the investigation of these crimes. nobody, the ambassador for global criminal justice, dozhdepush batman, noted that various international representatives, in particular the united states of america, are involved in the investigation. they are helping the prosecutor's office of ukraine to investigate these crimes in order to bring them to justice . andriy kostin, the prosecutor general of ukraine, noted that the ukrainian side insists on creation of the international court of justice at the international tribunal regarding the punishment, in particular, of the crime of aggression against the russian federation, he noted that the options for creating such an e-e tribunal based on ukrainian legislation and the ukrainian constitution are not suitable for ukraine in particular because this crime is of an international nature and has no borders. creation

of a special tribunal to prosecute and punish the highest political and military leadership of russia for launching a war of aggression in including the current president of russia, putin, this is our joint duty, this is a duty to the victims of this war of aggression, including, i emphasize this, including to the ukrainian military, because they protect our country, katya. i know that you had the opportunity to talk to the congressman and what their the position of what they are willing to do to guarantee justice, this is not the case. yulia was present during these hearings as congressmen , what a figure, such representatives of the senate. i spoke directly with them and a lot of them noted that an important point is to voice this problem and not to forget about it and this and themselves. such hearings are already a step in order to solve this situation in terms of solving the situation, they emphasized that the creation of an international tribunal, in particular, regarding investigations of crimes of the russian aggression should be created right now

while the investigation is ongoing and not postpone this issue until tomorrow, they also emphasized that on the basis of the united nations , it would be possible to create such a body right now , at least that's what one of the congressmen from with whom i spoke, individual legislators also noted directly, the republican victoria sparzhuvila thought that this is not a problem that can be solved by the government of ukraine on its own, because this problem goes beyond the borders of ukraine and must be solved with the help of partners. i was talking just now more needs to be done in the creation of tribunals also the international criminal court should expand the list of indictments besides i have been talking about this for two years should be raised the issue of the crime of aggression and the corresponding tribunal that would be aimed directly at putin lukashenko, their generals and all

those who are responsible for this terrible crime against humanity committed by russia and it must be done now, it can be done at the level of the general assembly, there are other methods available to it, but it would be possible do it tomorrow if only there was will, most of the information we heard today is information that we already knew , but it is extremely important that we continue to fight against disinformation that is spread by to the whole world, putin's regime . thank you , katya, for highlighting this important topic. my colleague kateryna lisova was in contact with the congress. the lukashenka regime plays a special role in the abduction of ukrainian children. ukrainian children and at least 15 ukrainian cities occupied by russia, evidence of this was submitted to the international criminal

court in gaza by pavlo latushko, deputy head of the united transitional cabinet of belarus however, what evidence did the opposition manage to collect? pavlo latushko told me on the air during the voice of america briefing that lukashenko organized systematic large-scale daily monitoring of the illegal movement of ukrainian children from the occupied territories of ukraine to the territory of belarus through our contacts, which we presented to the office of the prosecutor of the international criminal tribunal of hungarians gaga was taken out, oh, and 2,100 children, that's not less, we also have the light of deeds that confirm that this is only it was already approaching and it is possible by the end of the year will be close to 3,000 uah of ukrainian children, this is at least organized by the so-called union state , lukashenko is the head of this union state

, and lukashenko signed all the documents in moscow , and here are the natural date numbers that confirm the routes of the children's movement. these children are orphans from here. and at the time when we filed documents in the city of gaga, we individually installed 16 children . today, unfortunately, i can say that it was two days ago. the result is already more than 50 orphaned children from ukraine, this is the first part of the crime, illegal movement, the second part

of the crime. ukrainian tennis player elina svitolina called the federation's decision criminal disrespect. olga harlan, who refused to shake the hand of her russian rival after the ukrainian woman's winning game, should be disqualified from the world championships in fencing. svitolina said that following the tennis federation, other sports federations should respect the decisions of ukrainian athletes and their refusal to shake hands with russians and belarusians, and she added that ukrainian athletes should not be afraid. use your voice or remind that the war is going on and that ukraine needs help svitolina expressed her position during a conversation in to the atlantic chancell think tank in washington on thursday i consider this a real disrespect on the part of the fencing federation also why the russians are provoking why they do not

respect our position as ukrainians we have a strong position which you know we unite for one goal for the sake of victory which to return our territory which was taken from us and against all these terrible things that are happening to ukrainian children and the ukrainian people, our soldiers who protect our country are dying every day. so we united and ask that you really respect this it is terrible what is happening in the world of sports and that they do not respect our decision. as you know, the tennis federation made a statement that it respects our decision and there will be no handshake between ukrainians and russians or belarusians, and i think that this is correct and i think that other sports federations should do the same it is they who must respect our decision why some western politicians and analysts want to reconcile ukrainians and russians as soon as possible what is the danger of promoting narratives that this war is only putin's war how to explain

to americans and europeans why ukrainians do not see the prospects of reconciliation with the aggressor country, we have the opportunity to ask the guest of our studio about all this today, who investigates all these issues, this is olena davlekanova, a friend of mine and a participant in the program democratic stability of the center for the analysis of european policy of the usa ms. olena thank you very much for visiting our studio thank you for i wanted to start the question with today 's situation, why do you think not everyone still understands what it looks like? and when ukrainian athletes, whether olga harlan or elina svitolina, don't want to because they simply can't to shake hands with the russians, no matter what flag they fly under. well, it seems to me that if we want to understand the ukrainians , then we just have to listen to them after ten years of war and 18 months of full-scale invasion eh, we all saw the results of an aggressive and unjustified eh war russia against ukraine, 7 million ukrainians became internally displaced persons

, almost as many became refugees. we are not talking about the loss of infrastructure, and according to the latest research, 78% of ukrainians have friends or relatives who were injured or lost their lives in this war, so it seems to me that it is necessary to simply listen to the stories of ukrainians and understand what they deal with every day. do you think that certain western politicians or analysts are disobeyed? it seems to me that there is a more complex problem here, because in general, the image of ukraine and understanding for a long time, ukraine was formed under the influence of very harmful russian narratives, in particular , about fraternal nations, and i personally heard his opinion here that before a full-scale invasion, no one in the west expected that ukrainians will resist this invasion so fiercely and that the struggle will be fierce because we seem

to be very similar people from afar, but the topic of reconciliation can become for ukraine the tool through which we can finally debunk all those myths and those narratives that created this wrong image of ukraine, because look. before the invasion , most western analysts indicated that ukraine was from three days to three weeks, but ukraine still stood very courageously and very successfully resists the enemy who outnumbers it therefore, it seems to me that we need to consolidate on the information front and through the topic of reconciliation, since it is of great interest to the european union and the united states of america, since, in general, the topic of sustainable peace on the european continent is important , if we could, through this attention, draw the attention of western experts to other issues as well

е which е will show who ukraine is and who ukrainians are, what are the general prerequisites considered for reconciliation and can they actually be a threat to ukraine , of course well, look classically, it’s tight historical, cultural, economic ties are language, religion, and of course, family and friendly ties between er peoples, and if we look at er relations between ukraine and russia, all these prerequisites are there, but as the russians say, not everything is so clear-cut and if we delve deeper and look at each of these aspects in detail, then we will see in each of these aspects a threat to the territorial integrity of ukraine , to its security and to the security of the whole of europe, and we can talk in a little detail about each of these. i think that in detail we have sorry, there won't be time, but if we're talking about what the russian army did during the years of the war. how many generations do you think

reconciliation is possible at all and is it necessary? well , as vitaly portnikov said in one of his interviews, reconciliation is generally possible between any with which nations and at one time the germans and the french, er, the germans and the poles and even the ukrainians and the poles, but the question is not that, this is not a completely correct question, because while the average russian citizen considers the territory that today is included in the composition of independent ukraine and russian territories, in general, the question of reconciliation should not be raised, and it seems to me that first of all, before we talk about reconciliation, we should talk about the large amount of homework that russia must do before this dialogue becomes possible . prime minister denys myhal aptly said the same question asked by german journalists, and he said that first russia must change

, democratization, democratization, and demilitarization of russia. well, there are also a number of prerequisites that ukrainians also expect from the russians uh and which we are studying in particular as part of one of the studies that i conducted together with a proud group of ukrainian researchers . the europeans have their own position, what should this information campaign be so that this issue of reconciliation is not raised . it seems to me that we should use all the platforms available to us in order to explain the threats that reconciliation carries without this internal work, and if we are talking about the task of achieving a quick peace, then it can be done. but whether it is sustainable peace is the question, and therefore you need to listen more

, understand, read ukrainian analytics , understand those narratives that formed the image of ukraine and simply deconstruct them well, i think that you can start with this, even if only with literally 30 seconds. do you see that here in washington they understand ukraine , of course, we see how much aid ukraine received just before the beginning of this full staff tuesday and actually received for many decades of its democratic development and i know that all ukrainians are very grateful to the american people for everything they do to support us in all the difficult times mrs. olena , thank you very much for this conversation, i would like to remind you that the guest of our studio today was olena davlekanova researcher and participant of the democratic sustainability program of the center for the analysis of european policy of the usa, american businessmen of ukrainian origin from the first days of the full-scale war began to financially

help ukraine, they report that millions dollars, some to the army, others to the displaced, a number of entrepreneurs for more effective and quick help even founded their own charitable funds, continue to support ukraine and the stars of american show business with successful and well-known supporters of ukraine in new york, iryna solomko and pavlo terekhov, brothers yuri zinov and boris vovchuk talked have a typical family history for children of the third post-war wave of immigration, their father was born in germany, where the family fled from soviet power, but the first generation which was born already in the usa. mother is also of ukrainian origin. the brothers speak ukrainian and have a close connection with the community and the homeland of their ancestors. in 2015 , the youngest zenova founded a civilian military innovation institute, the goal of which is to build a bridge between the scientific community and the real needs of the military. currently, one of the brothers' key partners - this

is the us department of defense , they deal with defense, mostly quite secret. defenders to live with them and cooperate with them about uh new technologies and i about where they would also have that on the news last november after the death of their father , the brothers founded their own charitable foundation in his honor because the foundation says it was their response to full-scale invasions russia is planning to invest millions of dollars in a fund in ukraine , all efforts will be directed to help ukraine, that i am the second auto, so everything takes this technology, spend it at the discretion of the economic

development of ukraine after the war and the fourth the most important for us is the truth and the true organization of ukrainian nationalists yuliya smolyanskyi is a successful american businesswoman of ukrainian origin in 2002 when her father mykhailo died yuliya headed the company for the production of kefir and other dairy products which he founded under yuliya's leadership until the hit company height 12 to 141 million dollars a year, we are very proud that for the past 36 years we have been creating products of ukrainian heritage, teaching americans how to drink kefir. what is it and all its health benefits? ukrainians have been passing it down from generation to generation for more than 2,000 years, not only after our migration, when we her parents left soviet ukraine from kyiv, they took this product and brought it together with the rest of the world less than 10 days after the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, yulia organized a fundraiser in chicago, and on its initiative

, almost a million dollars were collected to support ukraine . since then, it has not stopped raising funds and helping heroes. glory to ukraine touched the ukrainian people and everything we can do. that you and i will always be it's a pity that today it is very important to unite because together we are stronger than alone and i think that by uniting together we can create organizations to protect and preserve ukraine attract people to washington who have money to continue investing financial resources and human capital to ukraine and not just now but always more than 300,000 dollars was donated to help ukraine by a leading plumbing company co-founded by ruslan livii ruslan and his family emigrated from the rain of simferopol when he it was 15 years after the invasion of russia, together with partners and friends, we founded an aid fund for ukraine, we collected for drones, we made a mobile hospital in khmelnytskyi region

. we transported many families from kharkiv and odessa. we will continue to help and hope to participate in the reconstruction of ukraine. came to the usa already after the invasion, got to know each other and decided to do business together there, the first project is the publication of a book about american entrepreneurs of ukrainian origin working thousands of companies analyzed the project, they say that almost every active one helps ukraine after each of our conversations with the potential heroes of our project, we learned more and more that they were fully involved in helping ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale invasion , helping people in ukraine, and also helping the army, a book about american businessmen of ukrainian origin was presented in new york during the presentation, and an auction was held to collect funds for two united

24 funds and cash for refugees, in particular on the reconstruction of the mykhailo kotsiubinsky lyceum in chernihiv region, as well as cash for residents of front-line villages, was opened by the ukrainian actress ivana sakhno, who works in hollywood and is an ambassador of the youth 24 foundation , how long we talk about it, so much attention will not be lost, therefore it is important to keep the world in focus on the account of ukraine this is a part of my life every day. of course , i receive support from my filming partners and friends. it feels like the west has come to support ukraine. stars in particular mylurgardin natasha henrich and chris browning i came here to support entrepreneurs with ukrainian smoking who are successfully working here in the united states and to support the ukrainian people i am very worried about ukraine i spent a year there a long time ago

long before all these events and you know it was one of the best years of my life, i had a great time, i hope that we will return to what we had in the last year and a half, i am doing everything i can to support ukraine, even just to be present here for ukrainians at the auction, among other things, they raffled off a t-shirt with signed by the head coach of the ukrainian national team, serhiy rebrov, as well as an authentic embroidered wedding shirt from vinnytsia. as a result, it was possible to collect 80 thousand dollars in new york . programs and videos, as well as listen to podcasts

in ukrainian of the voice of america service first ma thank you for watching voice of america in ukrainian see you tomorrow good luck take care papa, congratulations, i ask for a few minutes of your attention and i hope that you will help us in the search. please look carefully at the photo of this 12-year-old boy, his name is damira stimenko, and he went missing, he went missing at the beginning of october in mykolaiv, and there is still no trace of him there is no information about his whereabouts, it is unknown to help find domir , his mother asked us, i talked to the woman and she told some details about

the circumstances of her son's disappearance, he was on the social network of nikolaev 5.10 pobeda, they both disappeared, their phones are turned off, where are they located unknown mother told the world that during the last year her son lived with his father and the woman herself moved from mykolaiv to odesa for work, everything was fine. damir attended online classes at school, constantly called his mother, and at the beginning of october 22, communication with he and his father suddenly cut off his lessons from school, he went to online classes for evaluations from me класно руководительский yes everything was normal from the fifth day he got caught as a result their phone was turned off it is impossible to reach them neighbors relatives and acquaintances and they have no idea where the father and son disappeared. the boy's mother says that she cannot even imagine where her son could have disappeared, but she is convinced