[000:00:00;00] with your mind , because in this way you can expose everything and then everyone will be at the front and there will be no money to write to someone. monday next week i will be on vacation, i am not going anywhere, i will continue to work, but i will not be here in the artery, be with us now , the verdict program serhiy rudenko is ready to start, let's watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program my name is serhii rudenko. i greet everyone and i wish everyone good health. then he again spoke about negotiations with ukraine. he says that the west and president zelenskyi do not want to sit down

at the negotiating table with him . grain about how he will help african countries in a word , we will talk about all this today during the program with our guest volodymyr mogirysk, but some more news of today before the conversation , 21 convoys of wagnerians have already arrived in belarus why are the wagnerites charging to belarus? is it related to the statements of putin and lukashenka regarding poland? and in the russian taganrog tonight, an explosion occurred due to a rocket not far from the base. the russians are already blaming the ukrainian side. maria zakharova , a representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, has already stated that russia's response to ukraine will be tough friends, please those who are watching us now on

youtube take part in our survey today we are asking you about what you consider a victory over russia options for answers, the return of ukrainian territories, the collapse of the russian federation, where the putinization of the russian federation, the trial of putin and his henchmen, all this together and your own version, write if you have your own version in the comments under this video. - 2009 mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air i congratulate you mr. serhiy on the occasion of good health in the army to our dear ones thank you mr. volodymyr let's start the russia africa summit right away, because today putin announced that they will or are ready for

negotiations. he said that all problems should be resolved during the negotiations, but they refuse to talk to us, including issues of strategic security, and in general , president zelenskyi issued what he said the decree, although it is a decree that any negotiations with russia are possible only on the condition that the occupiers leave our land , what does this mean in putin's understanding, although let's still hear from putin so that absolutely be sure to be in our comments. as for the polish leaders, they probably expect to form some kind of coalition under the nato umbrella and will intervene in the conflict ukraine in order to tear off a piece of the pozharnii and return to what they consider their historical territories to be in today's western

ukraine. it is well known that they dream about in the belarusian lands this is not the same putin, rather putin is the one, but the statement is not the same, i think that you , mr. volodymyrets, are familiar with the current statement of vladimir putin, so what does putin want and for what did he tell his african friends, you see, mr. serhiy, we try to sit in his chair, as they say, and understand what is happening in the world, he is an outcast, that is , no one wants to discuss anything with him , even contact him, that is, call him, come to conduct some negotiations, and so on he has a black mark on him. he has received suspicion from the highest criminal court in the world , and he is a person who wants to be arrested as

the only people in the territory of the country that signed the rome statute, right here. they should be arrested, so who should he deal with, well, who remains, lupyshenko remains, china remains , north korea remains, well, there, maybe somewhere else , from that western direction, cuba , venezuela, nicaragua, that’s actually the whole set so what should he do? well, there is also a way to sell to his uh population uh, well, the opinion of what this is, well, after all , look, i am a powerful leader.

the very one where they already spoke in the month as three back she said that and what we got in the end we got 54 in my opinion if i'm not mistaken the leaders of 17 countries at the same time well, let's say so far not from the first row, some of whom have already been there for 30-40 years in their they are sitting in the chairs and apparently they understand very little, frankly speaking, because they can barely drag their feet. well, the summit turned out like this, and on the other hand, the results can be reached at the same level there is a minister conditionally, not a president, but to have some kind of program, and here , burkina faso has signed some kind of piece of paper about the fact that they will develop joint activities in the space industry, in my opinion, the whole of africa laughs and does not understand at

all what it is about, except that they will build some kind of spaceport there, well, it is unlikely, because with the current economic situation, there are not enough spaceports and, not to mention, they they promise that they will feed africa and talk about a few of the poorest countries and several hundreds of tens of thousands per ton of corn, well, listen , this is a mockery of this same africa, so , well, for the picture you are showing it now , you can imagine something, but in fact, uh- it's mine it is impossible to offer anything. there are no real prospects because it is not favorable for russia’s long-term economy. well , that’s actually the african story that we saw today. can we understand what, uh, in a lower situation, putin did everything in order to

prepare, well, in quotation marks, to prepare before this summit with the american leaders and these 12 days of mass shelling of the south of ukraine , odesa, kherson oblast, mykolaiv oblast, the black sea region, that all this was directed precisely under this very one so that the leaders of 54 countries with different statuses, someone is the president, someone is the prime minister, someone is the prime minister, someone is a minister , so that they just come with ms. cholobitna to putin, and putin has already started saying that i am not here, why do you see the crisis right here, as they say , they don't say that the war is a crisis and this crisis must be resolved somehow. let's put pressure on kyiv already, although the leaders of african countries said that, obviously, not on the way back from st. petersburg, they will come to zelenskyi, but they will again

demand peace from zelenskyi, although in this situation, they should have given an ultimatum, it is obvious to putin that putin is turning the black sea into a dangerous zone for civilian vessels of absolutely all countries, not before all the recent bombings. and from the fact that russia withdrew from this so-called grain agreement and everything else, it seems to me that this is just what happened as a logical preparation for what you just said about well, but uh, and partly south africa and talk about the fact that they can put pressure on putin. i think that this is not realistic because they uh, well, after all, uh, they

don't have er, not real or political economic, or any other influence on the processes taking place in the world, because well, in fact, it is an extremely low economic level and, accordingly, the political influence, which, as you know, is heading to zero, so from this side, it was hardly possible to expect that they will be our active supporters, so to speak, because the kremlin continues in various ways, but all the same , feed them, keep them dependent on some kind of dependence, write off, as it is now in moscow , everyone is trumpeting what is there. we wrote it off there. there are huge billions there in any case, they would never have been returned and so on, that is, they definitely try to manipulate and keep these western countries of africa from some kind of their own political control

. well, because there is no potential, this is a completely different picture than the one that is being pursued and the policy that is being pursued in china, but there really has been there for many decades. china has been actively working on the african continent and can offer something of the highest level. how can western countries do this, but at least they can offer something that africans can, so to speak, pay attention to, and what can putin offer ? it is among those who are starting to talk about something on the sidelines, and it seems to me that you asked about the next convoys arriving

in belarus, and there are many . uh large cargo planes that will fly to africa with this gang that will be there to hold individual countries to account. i think that this is the main result and actually the main goal of this summit with africa was that in at least a few countries through tools called wagnerian thugs to keep the situation more or less under control and try to suck out everything that is in those countries and no more. well, but you noticed that china has an influence. well, due to trade with

a part of african countries, and experts say about the fact that the fact that only 17 leaders of african countries did not come to st. petersburg 54 means that it was china that allowed or at least recommended african leaders in such proportions to fly to russia, as far as this is true, well, it is quite maybe of course we exerted such an influence. i think in the same way here , we should not forget about western countries that also have their own interests in africa. and they are not small, so i think here. maybe we should even talk about some such, you know, communicative effect when the pressure was from china from the west, and the result, as we can see, was not long in coming, because africa really

is an interesting continent - it is a continent that is promising if you invest money in it and pay them sensibly, then this can give the perspective of the results that russia did to china itself, it cannot introduce anything there because there is nothing to invest, especially now in china, the situation is different, that is why it has a pretty good economic position there, and through the economy comes politics. yes that i think that just er in this regard, china can play a very serious role and you. i do not rule out that china could be a restraining factor in the preparation of this summit. we also have the synchronicity of the head of the african union commission, musifaka maha-mata, and he says that the war in

ukraine must end. only on the basis of justice and reason will we hear that this war must end and it can only end on the basis of justice and reason the disruptions in energy and grain supply must be stopped immediately the grain agreement must be extended for the benefit of all the peoples of the world, in particular the africans, it is obvious that this call has passed by putin's ears and, er, we see that during the last 12 days since the grain agreement was concluded, the whole world is trying to bring putin to his senses and say that this cannot be done, you cannot blackmail people with hunger, you cannot

to blackmail the whole world with force and aggression, why do you think that in this situation, any and all bookmarks to putin have no force , no consequences, because well, because we see that this is the official who is not does not want to agree on anything. i think that we are already a long time ago, we should have gotten used to the idea that appeals don't work, and i'm honestly still surprised by the very passive position of our nato partners, who state that if putin blocks our opportunities in ukraine, i mean to send civilian ships to odesa or other ports, then a completely different situation will arise in the black sea, well, this is thinking at

the level of a student , politicians cannot speak like that. offices from washington i do not i understand what such things mean, if russia sends a missile there, it means there should be three corvettes of nato countries there, by the way, and there are three countries: turkey, romania and bulgaria. well , maybe not everyone has envelopes. well, but there are, uh, other watercraft. which can become er well, a completely adequate answer and cannot not allow russia to single-handedly block the black sea

they consider it expedient and by the way to send ships along their borders is also their right, and why can't they come up with this banal idea, but i have a huge question, it's actually not as scary as some people think, it's not an escalation, it's a guarantee of freedom shipping , there is a special ouniv convention that regulates all these things and no one has canceled it, no one has canceled, by the way, the montreux convention, which allows warships to enter the black sea by 21% , i am wrong. ships of the usa, britain, france and so on, that is, such a position, in my opinion, it only encourages putin to continue this policy of blackmail and he will do everything because he does not

meet any resistance, he publicly said that the united states of america does not plan to accompany the ukrainian ships with grain in the black sea and explained it by citing that it will increase the tension between the west and russia . well, this tension already exists, that is, again , it is obvious that the united states of america in this case is a marker for other nato countries, that is obviously turkey, bulgaria and romania will not do anything like that until the uh aircraft carrier of the united states of america enters the zone with which they can hit the black sea fleet or the ships of the black sea fleet in the mediterranean sea or already in the black sea why why the united states of america so be careful to this is treated as if they are still hoping for some kind of peaceful dialogue or

any dialogue at all with putin or that it is possible to somehow come to an agreement with him. first of all, for the fact that you called this american official i i just didn't want to, did you mention his last name? so we will. as they say, now, well , once again, understand who it is about. i just didn't want to call him because of his really high position, and i honestly would be ashamed to do it in his place. such statements well, but he did that he did in relation to how to deter where you don't necessarily have to start an aircraft carrier is too powerful a unit because around the aircraft carrier there should be several dozen escort ships in order for it to be in the in a state

of appropriate readiness protected and so on there will be enough for a few warships of the middle class and uh that would be enough but you are right er, it smelled like oil immediately, the level of escalation is decreasing, not the other way around, it is increasing, but our american partners do not understand this, either they do not want to, or they cannot. and it only causes me great surprise, how long will the americans pretend that they do not understand what is happening on the part of russia well, mr. volodymyr, we are not only talking about the black sea or the united states of america reported that there was a dangerous incident with a russian plane in syria for the second time in a week. the white house officially reported that

over by an american drone next to an american drone in the sky russian planes carried out dangerous maneuvers on target, well, the russians are testing the americans , the americans are pretending that there was some kind of incident, they warned moscow, obviously you, er, have the experience of communicating on different diplomatic lines and on different, er, different connections, levels of connections, but between er, moscow and washington, there is a direct line where they talk to each other, er, on the fourth, those things that exist in bilateral relations, that is, the highest level, and this connection is always there , since they are nuclear states , and this connection simply cannot be

true . not to make the wrong political decision and this is true cases when it comes to a nuclear threat because it is not the most dangerous moment in their bilateral relations, but it is not about nuclear threats and not about nuclear danger, it is about obvious russian rudeness that must be understood and appropriate how to react well, let's remember how a great friend of vladimir putin, the erdoğan regime. at one time, it was 4-5 years ago, in my opinion, he simply took and shot down a russian military man, the pilot was killed there in moscow, they shouted for three days, they said what

we will not buy your turkish tomatoes, but we very quickly understood our place and that was it, and there was no teranuclear war, although it was a nato country and everyone understood that it was a nato country that was defeated by russia . you can't react to them with actions, and russia quickly retreated, and it is clear that yes, yes, we will not do this in the future, because it will be worse for us, and it has already done so. yes, it is not the last country in nato , but it showed russia its place and russia - this place saw and imagine that just in the black sea is coming, i will say three corvettes of nato countries and will be where they are needed. well, that's all, and on top of that, all these russian threats that they will control every ship that will

enter the black sea, and so on, and so on , are simply pushed somewhere far away - far, far away and that's all well, but for this you just need to have the political will and understand that they are playing with you , they are simply provoking you, at the same time, it goes into effect, but the obviousness is one hundred percent bluff. uh, i think he's only they only they they all of this they are afraid and talk about excavation, this does not mean escalation on the part of russia , but about weakness from the letters of america. unfortunately, such a sad, such a sad conclusion can only be drawn this week, volodymyr, a rebezon was held at which the question of the shelling of odessa was heard and as the permanent representative of ukraine says at un serhiy kislytsia eh , the representative in russia refused to take the floor

at this meeting, the representative of ukraine spoke, the representative of the united states of america spoke, and both the first and the second spoke about the fact that russia must be stopped, russia must be stopped, but these calls in the security council that russia must be stopped are continued in the following that russia is now convening the council of security and wants to listen to questions about the terrorist activities of ukraine at the council of security, that is, regarding shelling or launching drones in moscow now but today they are talking about the fact that in the rostov region, ukrainians are shelling er cities, according to you, when will russia be excluded from the soviet security council , because, well, it is absolutely obvious in the current

situation who is the er provocateur and who the initiator of the war that is currently taking place on the territory of the ukrainian state, or for many representatives of the soviet security council, it is not clear whether they are pretending or whether it is not clear that it is putin who is attacking the south of ukraine, that it is putin who is destroying the historical heritage that is listed in unesco, that putin is destroying the grain that is needed for african countries unfortunately for sergey , it is impossible that russia has done it, it is only possible if the general assembly votes for it by a majority and then approves it without a decision, the council of ministers will not approve it because there is russia, with the right method , a dead end from which to get out. today, we cannot, the only way he has already been told about this is the termination of the powers of the russian delegation , starting with the next session

of the general assembly, which should begin in september of this year, or any other a it is quite realistic when the credentials committee makes a decision that the credentials of the russian delegation are not recognized, it is not necessarily explained to him why he simply makes a decision, the decision is made by a simple majority of votes this committee is very small. ukraine is less than 10 and there is no legal system. therefore, it is the only one . well, in the opinion of many of my ukrainian diplomats who have experience working at the un and are well-known international lawyers. this is the only way in this way, russia can be suspended from working in the organization in general, not only in the security council, but also deprive russia of the right to participate in

the general assembly and numerous committees , and so on. lives so much will be absent in this organization, student accents will change, and i think that this is quite a realistic strategy that should be pursued , but again, there must be the political will of those countries that work in this committee and unconditional support from the west. if it is not there, then we are unlikely to come up with such a decision on our own. by the way, yesterday lukashenko asked his officials about what gives belarus a representation in the un. we know that belarus and ukraine. back in the days of the soviet union, they were among the founders

what did lukashenko say to the united nations? let's hear our representation. it's formally there . it's like something. it can make us understand how they act . uh, it is necessary to work somewhere, it is necessary to strengthen the overall situation, the situation can be with the organization of the current nation, so look and put them in a row with western states . belarus, too. we constantly talk about russia about her work or her provocations in the organization of the united nations, but here the question is that in relation to belarus, we always say that belarus and the belarusian dictator are co-organizers and co-responsible for russia's war against ukraine, but we do not articulate at the international