[000:00:00;00] this logic of common sense is the concept of the russians, how they will behave is very difficult to say, but the situation still does not give us a reason to calm down. that is why the problem . well, let's thank serhiy, a military expert from grab, a participant in peacekeeping positions , a reserve colonel. thank you very much and we go to our next page, ivan klimpus sensad for the people's deputy of ukraine , the head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union will be with us and already is . thank you mrs. ivan for finding time for us . ivan let's try to start this conversation with of this ukraine nato council, the president said that he was very satisfied

, but there was nothing in principle other than a consultation. i congratulate you on the fact that today you were finally recognized as a laureate of the shevchenkivskyi district regarding the fact that we have uh well, what do we see from the new mechanism of the nato council of ukraine , you and i first knew that it was a consultative mechanism, and therefore there should not be more than expected from it , but it is a consultation mechanism that can give us additional opportunities . in my opinion, uh, from the point of view of the integration of ukraine into the north atlantic alliance, this council should become a platform where specific steps ukraine should take in the near future from the point of view of transformation in order to remove any political restrictions on its

future membership in the alliance, but for now well , we do not see that the council is ready for this to use and as for what er well, the consultation mechanism is good. it makes it possible to quickly and promptly inform partners about what is really happening in the regime also er maybe there is not only public but also non- public so something happened in our communication. i don't know if you hear and see me. oh, now we hear and see, but as for that , let's talk about real decisions that would somehow begin to affect the further course of military actions, or the real guarantee of ukraine's security then we don't have nothing unusual, i also hope that this council

well, as a result of this information that ukraine can provide and the intelligence information that our partners have, it is theo-those platforms where and additional perhaps there is an expanded exchange of information, including intelligence, can be established through which through this channel, but uh, well , i don’t expect any decisions that will determine a change in the behavior of the north atlantic alliance to be adopted at uh, this council , mr. meno. as far as i understand now that this the same to the special relations between the united states and israel sometime back in june before this to this famous uh from cross-country skiing gathering uh in lithuania i would study it and there is also intelligence help

money but as in one movie eldar eldar ryazanova is on her own, that is, they can help, but the main burden before joining nato lies exclusively in ukraine. well , there will be 300,500 million a year to spend something else , something else, the same intelligence, training of ukrainian soldiers, exchange of experience, and so on. but it is absolutely impossible to say that ukraine is secure. well, ukraine will be safe only when the match becomes a member of the north atlantic alliance. i don't see how else we can ensure a stable and lasting peace on the territory of ukraine and the territory of europe, and actually give such such a guarantee by education, but before that, you and i understand that we will receive military assistance not through

the north atlantic alliance, but within the framework of the format of the agreed coordination of the positions of the so -called secret group or separately also on on an external basis from eh individual members of the alliance and eh was also due to security, you named parts of things and besides - this is help in demining and help in providing rehabilitation programs for soldiers. i hope that this will be developed further in this direction. since we are in eh in such a situation when we need it here, but it is definitely not the provision of military capabilities to ukraine . and as long as we have to be within the line of the various guarantees of the alliance in the way or there

is the formation of our interaction in the council the nato council, ukraine, or in some other formats, simply does not need to say, madam, how do you assess the situation that has developed in ukraine's relations with the countries of central europe against the background of the fact that on september 15 the restrictions on the import of ukrainian agricultural products introduced by the european commission and, in principle, the term of these of restrictions was agreed upon by the judges of the central european countries , it was not they themselves, but his commission adopted the procedure, and as a result, we see that the polish government briefly says that it will continue unilaterally restrictions, other governments of the countries of central europe are asking the european commission to extend these

restrictions as far as possible. this can be called good neighborliness and mutual understanding in this situation. they will definitely not be easy, especially when it comes to the protection of individual sectors of the economy, and this means that the team that will represent ukraine must be very thoroughly prepared from the point of view and understanding of priorities, how we see the future development of the economy and from the point of view of what exactly needs to be protected e for the national interest of ukraine, but what we see now is a little different in different countries, and let's talk about poland and slovakia now, today, all these reservations have a serious impact on er, its limitations, er, and here it was poland that initiated all of this , followed by other countries of central and eastern europe and created this

five a-a dissatisfied countries. in my opinion, an additional role is also played by the fact that the election process is currently underway both in poland and slovakia and, unfortunately , let's say that various elements of the policy regarding ukraine are part of the internal political discourse that takes place both in poland yes and yes in slovakia. and this does not benefit the right, it is not the only benefit . well, let's say the development of the molding of such cooperation and interaction. we also see that there are certain such efforts due to this help ukraine and influence we are here again it is necessary to evaluate how a-a how actively and we see data on the impact of e -e on the cost of ukrainian grain that was

exported and remained on the territories of these countries, how much it really remained in terms of volume and how much it affected e-e local carriers or local farmers but there are efforts to get additional european funds in order to support their own sectors of the economy. i think that here the european union to a certain extent will definitely meet these countries. besides , i am convinced that we should go to such countries agreements that will allow us to really guarantee the transit of the majority of these products that we will export through the countries that are adjacent to us on the land border from the european union with a-a so that

they do not speculate on that what do they say, this grain remains on the territory of ukraine? this will also require additional funds, because it may be a matter of trust in the sealing of these cargoes, or could it all be about some convoy , which are separate countries will want to accompany ukrainian cargo through the territory of passing through their territories to ports, let's say, on the baltic sea and on the southern flank on the black sea from the romanian side, therefore it is a complex decision and it should also be approached comprehensively. i was simply surprised that the ukrainian the government also, well, it seemed, turned out to be completely unprepared. besides, we already had such bells there at the beginning of spring . and then, when all this turned into such

radical actions, we turned out to be not ready for this, because we somehow hoped that probably they will just go to a meeting because we are in trouble , as you can see, ah well, in many ways, they go to a meeting, but they also try to protect their interests, as they continue this conversation. it's all here or the ukrainian government is really not working because it's hard for me to imagine when some grain is already on its way and what does the ukrainian driver do with it afterwards, it means that there must be a pole somewhere who will buy and sell this grain and thus the price drops well, then we understand which influence this has no direct influence on it, the ukrainian government, let's say listen, it's lucky, that's how it stays, well, let's take it. for example, in poland, it's not ukraine

that has to think, but why does the polish government allow ukrainian confederates to put pressure on prices on the polish market and on the european market, that's absolutely me i can't. i brought it to where i am. i have to negotiate with someone else, but with another buyer or with someone from the other side . mykola does not prohibit the association agreement. we must sell our products in polish. well, if the polish government wants to break the law, it's not, it's not quotas either , i guess we're not breaking anything, no, no, this is a question. you have pressure on your market, we don't do anything like that here . we don't secretly smuggle grain into poland , of course we also have to understand that because , well, the poles are now arguing

that it interferes with polish farmers, and it affects their income but at the same time you very important from the point of view of the fact that there are other tractors of the polish economy that, on the contrary, receive additional benefit from the fact that ukrainian grain enters the territory of poland and remains there, and they are also very interested, and this is an internal internal story, and therefore i will return again to such that, well, in particular, the election process has an impact on these uh, well, on this course of events, ms. ivana, before nato , i would like to ask you again. the ukrainian government often and so on and the government as a whole. do you believe that next year in

washington , during the nato meeting, ukraine will be invited ? believe it, because they are hinting very persistently, no one claims, but the hints are quite clear that apparently this was transferred to washington in july from april to july, it is possible that you believe these hints, be careful mykola, i definitely don't belong to those people who in politics rely in politics rely on faith and this is a little bit different category these are real real things that should have happened in order for us to get an additional step to meet

our member the words are here you appeared again i didn't have i hope that we will receive an invitation during the vinnytsia santa, and this was a real situation of understanding the real situation. i would really like another , even more absorbent wording to be found in washington, but how can i not depend on a whole series of low things, first of all i will remind you that during the last year and a half, during the time when there is a full-scale invasion of russia, not only the war, which is going on for the 10th year, but we, the ukrainian government, the ukrainian ukrainian people and the parliament, the ukrainian people, it is possible, the rulers did not make any decision that would

bring us closer to at least from the point of view of those reforms that we already know that we should do, our reform of the security service of ukraine and the hot form of control and supervision over intelligence, in general, democratic parliamentary public supervision of the system and the security and defense sector. all these things need implementation, and it seems that when we follow this track as much as possible, it will additionally remove all the warnings, we also copy from president biden, that ukraine needs additional democratization and transformation in order to claim membership in the alliance and remove the undertones of uh, uh, notes are not even reasons, but pretexts for not considering uh, this issue, i am now putting up with the aggression of the russian federation, but i am talking

even about these things that will definitely always be be used against ukraine and against its membership of variations until we clearly look in the mirror and do not expect that, in fact, due to the heroism and extraordinary feat of our armed forces of the defense forces, we can enter the north atlantic alliance, this is the first and second - it is obvious, and what else do we need to work on the fact that you were not, um, what about the fact that the russian federation will somehow consolidate its further actions, uh, llc of ukraine, if a decision is made to invite ukraine to the alliance in the future, uh, we see that russia

swallowed the membership of finland has already swallowed the membership of sweden, which is approaching the north atlantic alliance, this means that uh, this is absolutely a mythical threat of the russian federation in relation to the alliance uh , and countermeasures are promised russian countermeasures against the expansion of the alliance uh, and that's why we we have to get an understanding similar to ours among our such partners, so far we are still far from this goal, but it follows from your words that after all , ukraine must do its homework first of all, it is no longer the work of the nato of the nato administration, i believe that these are two identical tracks, and because both of them require very serious efforts, therefore, efforts at all levels, such as traditional diplomacy and parliamentary diplomacy

, public diplomacy, and efforts to work with societies active elites abroad, but that is just as huge a huge role in this process, and it will be given to him, and to what extent ukraine wants to go to the atlantic ally not only on slogans and on the heroism of our armed forces to what extent is ukraine able to comply with the main basic principle of this organization of the countries that are part of it. they already have certain problems with individual member countries and would certainly not like to receive additional challenges from the point of view

of compliance principles and principles of democratic legal e-e among the new members of the class in the country thank you thank you thank you yes ivana klympush sensadze the people 's deputy chairman of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the european union of the verkhovna rada of ukraine and we now here i have written what we have with you i wanted to talk about something for 10 minutes. what did you want to talk about? what do you think? you know , we can talk about the elections in spain , because no one but us will talk about it. by and large, the european unity and stability of the european union also depends, we will now have another ukraine , which is absolutely hanging clothes because i am not right-wing and not climbing

, and he is weak. the ultra-right somehow interrupted, it turned out that the spanish prefer moderate forces. well, i would say that in europe, if he had not acquired at least yes, everyone was afraid of 5-10 years here . everyone said that now the right turn will be such that he actively prepares volodymyr volodymyrovich all the time. migration crises, yes, everything gives money to people. that is, it must be said that , strangely enough , moscow itself is behind this right-wing turn, but strangely enough, it supports it, and two groups of right-wing parties have already formed , one group, by the way, this ultra-right the spanish foxico party is what everyone was afraid of in spain. these are the groups that do not support the brain there and ms. melanie and everything else. well, yes, yes, quietly , the party that supports an alternative for germ for germany, salvini berlusconi, that’s all , there are no more horses, but salvinism and serve yes , yes, there there is a party itself, i am a party myself, but what i want to say is that everyone is discussing now

. i read the spanish press, in fact, the left forces lack seven mandates to form an outfit , but these seven mandates belong to the openly separatist catalan party, led by the former president of catalonia carlson is looking for a pochdemon and this is spanish justice and he is hiding in europe in order to interrogate and imprison him, and now it turns out that a man who wants to be the prime minister of spain is forced to call to find a phone, the importance of finding opportunities to speak everything is some kind of mockery of fate, and the rightists say, what are you going to form a government with separatists, we are interested in whether you respect the national unity of spain at all, let us mourn the government, and the leftists say, form it but you still don't have a majority. yes, you have the impression that we are bothering you. what are you going to call a separatist? he is not . that's why it all looks so amazing. by the way, the story of

the national wealth of crimea is a crisis, so to speak, of european identity, because what was it about? the idea of ​​the 90s that everyone will forget about their nationality because we are all european europeans yes and now it turns out that the catalans say yes we are europeans but you have some problems yes and i remember when i was in the country of the barskys i really liked it i was there the beginning of the zeros, but in the decentralized square it was in huge letters they say everything for 40 years, the police cover it up every night and every morning it appears, it is the basque country, it is not spain, but we all have it here, there is also an interesting focus of the basque country, have you remembered how long it has been there since franko almost 50 years have already passed, the nationalist party governs the province with the main slogan of the program, which is the declaration of independence, but it does not declare any independence. well, although it

shot before and does not fire, but it has not been declared, and in catalonia now, why is it interesting the spanish socialists who say catalonia should be like this won, we are the ones, we are catalans, we want to be with spain in a single state country, and the catalan nationalists, who are in favor of statehood , they lost the election oh oh oh now they have fallen very much and now here are these socialists they completely dominate the entire province. but at the same time, they fell a lot, but it depends on them and any socialists to rule spain, so what are grimaces, democracy, and so it means something until the real catalan question is solved. here you will find such a model that together always calms these passions, it will be like this all the time, but with the scots nearby, everyone is watching, everyone is watching. when elections, any elections in europe can vote for a referendum , businesses can calm down, they can be, but there is no such procedure ambiguous there can't be such that

we voted goodbye there somehow well, there is also some kind of procedure to vote yes and this question will be constant about these national minorities in europe, what to do with them, how will serbia itself be with them and whatever laska is there, because it is obvious that the origins are different, there is a white state , but there is a region where serbs live on the territory of another kosovo, and that ’s all. one way or another, well, but the question, vitaliy vitaliyovych, is the question of principle: will europeans allow someone to separate from someone? because the whole idea of ​​europe is that we europeans will not separate.

and here and there these moments arise. imagine that i am the head of the european union and i say to the catalans, you know that if you separate from spain, you will go all the way to the european union . and what and what nothing yes you deceived the scots now er you have to deceive us but this too you understand if there was not such a strange story with er scots who voted to be with er great britain because they wanted to be in the european union, and then after the scots there will be the welsh , well, that's all, but maybe you should ask the canadians about it. they also suffered with francophones for 100 years, and only the father of the current prime minister somehow managed it all

, more or less, this problem no longer exists before. for 10 years or so, they also held a referendum on separatism, and there was always a lack of two percentages, it was not like that, so, so, the difference in the result is that there is no english language at all. and at the level of canada, there is french. well, how do you imagine that at the level of spain which should be catalan the head is recognized as the state language of spain, this is the question, the prime minister of spain must know catalan to be close to the administration, every official, and my father, too, well, they gave me a ride , my father, i'm the prime minister of spain , i will learn catalan, but my father, i won't learn it, you can't learn it, they told me i was told that there is a lot of chance with zero and then you have to learn galician. it’s still worth it. well, i’m just sitting there thinking. well, how can we manage if we take the canadian version, which is just crazy

, many decades of fatigue from all the discussions led to the fact that they finally accepted such there is another option economic economic moments catalonia many provinces yes very much richer option the most but for some reason the country of the basques and navarre by the way why do not the navarre join the country of the basques as in which the basques live there are already more navara than the country of the basques no tickets twice and it somewhere is not part of the basque country, but the basque country does not want to separate from smallpox , i don't know, i don't have an answer , i have one of the answers. novograd will disappear if it unites with the country of the basques, and the ukraine of the basques will disappear because they are separated from spain because they will be forced to pay taxes for the place, yes, and they keep everything for themselves and have subsidies from the central office, and when people who say

well, listen to all this. well, we will be independent, but there will be no money, what is bothering you now, you are learning your native language. yes, you have the entire dubai language , the flag is beautiful, and that is exactly how you are in navarre , all of you are in your native places, your father’s language, that’s all. there are many celestials in the spring, of course, but nevertheless, and in this way, there is no such association, the father nationalists always dreamed of a great baskonia, so the invasion did not take place, in fact, all these people , can you imagine all these people whom we know from the historical henry the fourth and the king of france they are all basque can you imagine what a great nation d'artagnan is the main bass in general so you see this is the french bosonia that i always say well how about when we are already there well our women can understand it now how to find out where it is the country of basketball is where they pretend to be basque or skate and in er they play this er what's it called

paleta-maleta jack of the match by the way i watched it i just wasn't in a position to watch i was at the match it's very interesting what 's the name of this a completely unique game only for basques yes, er, basques from onla, yes, and the cheeses of the pilot of the pilot, yes, the pilot of the pilot, yes, yes, yes , you can see that it is separate, it does not look like, well, the news. it is quite strange and there are special people who value this thing the most the peculiarity is, let's say, vladimirovich putin and his wife and they are very close to the house, they will never see each other again, they are putin's children, they are all supporters of the father and civilization of all people, or of france, that is , basketball, who live in france. by the way , what about the basques who live in france as