[000:00:00;00] today, despite the war in her native country, the singer continues to live and perform in russia, the christmas tree should be held near moscow. we just need the appropriate means for this, i think that the united states of america is in no way afraid of the ukrainian victory, they help us a lot and we are grateful for that, but that's what it is uncertainty about the future because what does ukraine win mean that russia must lose and it means that there must be a strategy what do we do next with a country that has about 140 million people i stupid weapons and a huge number dangerous people on their territory, it is not only about putin. look at this recent march of prigozhin, he came 780 km to moscow and did not meet any resistance. well, of course he is watching. the question is if he goes to some area on the way where nuclear weapons are stored, he gets easy access to it.

these questions concern us and we need to look for answers to these questions, when we discussed it at various closed meetings, we used historical analogies, including historical analogies, we said that the soviet union had collapsed regardless, we were afraid ts- did anyone want this or did they not want the collapse of the soviet union it happened because it is inevitable the same way and russia will lose sooner or later because putin is trying to return us all to the past the future will not stop alexander this week in washington there is also a lot of talk about the topic of civilians hostages talk about the fact that a lot of children were forcibly deported and taken to the territory of russia, is there any progress in the topic of developing mechanisms for the return of these people, civilian hostages and ukrainian children from the territory of russia or

belarusians, well, there are no uh-uh, so heart-breaking uh-uh, there are no results that i could present now, we know that russia sneezed on the international community wrongly and continues to ignore the decisions of international organizations, so that absolutely does not mean that we should give up and do nothing, it means that we have to be more creative to look for these methods that work and those methods that work they know them for a thousand years if the law does not work you cannot but rely on legal instruments then anyway you can rely on people after the work of your organization was awarded the nobel peace prize, did it help you deliver important messages more effectively ? and about helping ukraine, and do you think that according to your feelings, you are listened to more ? heard well, in fact, wherever they could hear us, we performed only on those platforms that are purely dedicated to human rights, and

absolutely not in those places, rooms, and did not communicate with the people who make the decisions. and now we have it again. maybe i i don't know how long it will take to talk to these people in these very offices where this decision is made, that these decisions should be based on the values ​​of human rights, because other policies fail, it's not because we are human rights defenders and wear pink glasses, it's a policy that is not based on values it leads to disaster. even if today you receive some economic benefits there, yes , that’s it. tomorrow you will pay more. russia is a vivid example of countries that have been closed for decades to what russia was doing in their own country in other countries, they have now faced the need to completely rebuild their entire system of the security economy and solve a bunch of other issues because it suddenly turned out that they were infiltrated by russian agents, russian

propaganda is operating there. well, in general, there are many other problems that they themselves created if we are talking about international organizations organization of the united nations red cross over the past year and a half. what can you say about their help or support to ukraine, and what would you like to see changed there, for sure two things first of all, as a person who knows international law and the work of international organizations, i understand that many of the expectations of ukrainian society towards these organizations are overstated , because there are things that they simply cannot do, they either have their mandate or they do not have the tools to achieve them that is, it is understandable, but as an expert, i would like to see them every day striving to achieve the mission for which they were created, and instead, i see that this mission is quite often replaced by internal

documents and security protocols, as in by the rules of how tenders are conducted or by some other things that have been developed over decades, a simple example is if people need water now, they cannot wait a month for someone to conduct a 100% tender. we still have a few minutes left and you've now had a series of meetings here in the united states what are your priorities that you would like to see in the next few weeks and months maybe from the united states or other western partners to help ukraine in terms of accelerating victory in terms of i would be responsible for war crimes i wanted to see in the coming weeks here in arizona the training of ukrainian pilots on the f16, this is really very important , we have a counteroffensive going on according to nato standards, it should go, uh, covered from the sky, our brave defenders go without this cover

because they are fighting, they are fighting for us and our land, of course , and the united states could still do to help justice, too , in fact, we talk a lot about the gap in justice. it has two dimensions. the first is that there is no one from the international court of justice who can arrest putin and his entourage for crimes of aggression, and here are all these crimes that we document, and in our database of the tribunal for putin, there are already more than 45,000 episodes, this is all the result of the leadership's decision to start this war. this is the leadership's decision, for the fact that the war started, this aggression started, it is necessary to bring to account for this, a special tribunal is needed and it should be created in the form of the international court of justice. in march, the state department announced a hybrid tribunal of a hybrid nature and it is not

really a solution. because only the international the court can overcome the immunities that putin and other officials have in accordance with international law, if we create it as a hybrid, this means that it is part of the national system and there is no possibility or very small chances to overcome these immunities. then the question is simply from the logic of common sense, why create a tribunal for aggression, which cannot bring to justice the main person responsible for aggression, vladimir putin, we need the international court of justice and there is another, this dimension is a huge number of crimes, we need international help on the spot, we need qualified workers oleksandra, thank you very much for coming to the broadcast today

, where you shared your thoughts and i really appreciate it. of civil liberties and we continue to release fencing associations of the usa and germany expressed solidarity with ukraine after the disqualification of olga harlan, who after the victory refused to shake hands with the russian female fencers and under neutral who was under a neutral flag in the german association stated that this incident demonstrates that it is time to change the rules in sports at the request of the voice of america in the fencing association of the united states emphasized that they stand firmly on the side of ukraine as they have done since the beginning of the war and have no opportunity to interfere or to comment on this particular issue, meanwhile , southern utah university history professor davelont, who specializes in the olympic games in communication with voted america, expressed

his admiration for olga harlan, there are more important things than he thinks sport is something that we will talk about for a long time. but studying in universities is what they call the letter of the law and there is also the spirit of the law. a ukrainian athlete won, but she was disqualified for shaking hands, this is a rule and you must follow the rules, but i would say that there are things more important than sports and maybe more important send a message that in the country and where there is a war and i represent my country there are things more important than disqualification when we talk about the death of people, the destruction of houses and in general the way of life, disqualification - this a small price for an important symbol and i was impressed by the courage to sacrifice victory she knew it was against the rules and still went for it real protest is strong only when you are ready to lose something if you are ready to sacrifice something and what can i tell ukrainians about the sacrifices living in the comfortable united states states cannot allow those who want to use sports for authoritarian purposes to achieve their goals, jens andersen , an expert on ethical standards at the danish

institute for the study of sports, believes that he supports the idea of the collective exclusion of russians from sports competitions. putin told about this in an interview with dmitry kolchinsky. putin and other authoritarian leaders of states who deliberately use sports for their nationalist and militaristic companies. they always claim that sports are neutral. the people who politicize sports the most are the very people who claim that sport is outside of politics those of us who live in a democratic world and consider sport to be an asset of democratic values ​​we cannot just sit back and let to those who want to use sport for authoritarian purposes to go after medals we must focus on the responsibility of sports leaders and minimize the damage caused by the war and our position is very clear we believe that the collective exclusion of russians is actually the best way to protect individual interests as well as russians

who oppose the war olga kharlan is a heroine and a role model, and russian athletes are a propaganda tool of the kremlin, says ukrainian olympic champion lilia pidkopaeva in an interview with our colleague andria to the hetman, she revealed her position on whether sports can be neutral and what the policy should be regarding russian and belarusian athletes during the war, the situation with the disqualification of harlam, it is actually a violation of the spirit of the olympic competitions, there may be a violation of some regulation but why a-a was disqualified why a - and the federation that held this competition so formally follows some rules, firstly, i want to say that olga harlan is a heroine and a role model, and a model of behavior of a ukrainian athlete in the international arena. well, secondly

well, for me, when the international olympic committee of the federation says that they adhere to some principles , then let's start from the very beginning, russia invaded ukraine and started an unprovoked war, but where are your principles? what has changed in a year? yes, a little more than a year has passed. almost one and a half and what has changed in your heads? i believe that as long as a rocket or a bomb does not fly into your country, everything is fine with you, but we must press from all sides and prove it friends. we have a war and how can you shake hands with murderers because under

with a neutral flag, but this athlete clearly provoked, she did, well, i don't think that she did it herself, i think that she had instructions on what and how to do in order for what happened to happen. yes, when there was covid, they were all rapiers you could, you know. well, in order not to touch. yes, there is a palm, but to touch the wire with a sword, and that's the end of it. yes, everyone saw the results , so we need to put pressure on the federation . but we understand that there are a lot of world fencing federations what kind of money influence the decisions of which, well, some moments ago, ah, this was the result. but i believe that from our side we should press. and we need the help of legal experts and lawyers, lawyers, who will be able

to prove that the decision of the international fencing federation was wrong and they were wrong. that you can't disqualify our athlete just like that, you're probably being approached by a lot of american media and your american friends and journalists, what are you telling them, what do you have to do with your conversations over the last day it is to the american society that i inform everyone about the fact that russia uses its athletes as propagandists and as a tool of pressure, telling in this way about the poor olympians or about sports outside of politics, and therefore , you know, sports are anything but neutral and every athlete is the ambassador and representative and representative of his country, russia and belarus should be under sanctions and through

all possible measures, including their athletes, well, we cannot allow them to compete and where there is a war, and we must put pressure to russia ended the entire war and withdrew its troops from ukraine as quickly as possible. ukrainian athletes must demonstrate the highest standard of dignity to do their job and win. ukrainian athletes are now met as heroes. they are heroes because they train in these conditions and they are people. normal opportunities, so i think that ukrainian athletes should

do their job well and win . watch the longer version of the interview with olympic champion liliya podkopaeva on the youtube page of the voice of america in ukrainian an emigrant from ukraine, halyna galaurta, took up the baking and weaving of the valley in her squirra bakeriv, which in translation means a bakery of squirrels. she makes buns, pies and cakes and delivers them to her home. how ukrainian cuisine is perceived in the united states and which pies are most to the taste of americans , khrystyna shevchenko will tell you about them. didn't weigh the dough galina halaburta ukrainian emigrant from lviv today bakes buns with cabbage well known to ukrainians yes, here we already have ready-made dough for buns now we will

form buns buns with cabbage that's just one of galina's culinary creations. i am from ukraine. i want to continue these traditions and i would like people to know more about our baking and our food. from cakes , the most popular are honeydew to various types of cookies, also buns and buns with cheese. before coming to america, galya lived in turkey with her husband. galya became interested in baking when she moved to the usa 7 years ago. she faced a new challenge with a different culture and tastes. she says that americans , unlike ukrainians, like salty pastries. with much more spices and are used to more sugar in confectionery, that's why galya often adds some non-standard raisin to her animals

, for example, she experiments with cardamom, cinnamon and coriander. ukrainians, i.e. medovik , it’s just a very wide audience , ah, buns, too, well, cabbage buns, for example , are more popular among ukrainians, but they are a connoisseur among americans, which are so oh these are very good buns, very unique. after a full-scale invasion, galina finally decided to officially start a bakery and popularize the taste of ukrainian cuisine. the war on all ukrainians activated us. which i do , it can be uh-uh in some way donated to redo it and we started doing these fundraisers with my friends and it is clear that it is very

popular, a lot, a very good video, galya co-organized fan racing evenings at which she presented her baked goods and also collected funds for the support of ukraine. i want you to know that you are someone's hero in ukraine . please don't forget how important your support is. galina is currently only offering delivery, but she is going to open a bakery. i think that this just now , in our time, get out of the shadow of this post-soviet past and present yourself as ukrainians who are independent , who have their own culture, their own vision, their own traditions, and finally we can stand no, just get out and we need to use all opportunities and social networks to convey this message to people that we are separate, we are independent and we have something to be proud of and we have something

to show for the humble removed hrystyna and bohdan shevchenko voice of america and that's the end of it thank you for watching voice of america in ukrainian see you next week papa we continue search for four children from a large family of dmytroniks from mariupol: 14-year-old diana , 12-year-old timofey, eight-year-old etori and