[000:00:00;00] the future of the russian orthodox church in ukraine does not exist, and the tomos of the ecumenical patriarch and the synod of the kostopil patriarchate clearly indicated that and it is clearly written there that the only canonical orthodox church in ukraine and the orthodox church of ukraine cannot be all other orthodox churches, and therefore if people really are as disciplined orthodox christians, they are obliged to bring their canonical status in accordance with the canonical tomos . the story about the ideology is now about the canons. and there is a dogmatic aspect, that is, in what we believe, and dogmatics clearly affects the salvation of the human soul, so from a dogmatic point of view , if you reduce what orthodox christians believe to one denominator, the answer is very simple orthodox christians confess that they believe that salvation is possible only with

jesus christ and of all christs and that for 30 years the moscow patriarchate in ukraine has been teaching that salvation is possible only through unity with moscow, friends, this is a dogmatic error they replaced the moscow patriarchate with moscow for god, and this is obviously a sign of a totalitarian sect that does not lead its believers to salvation, but leads precisely to destruction, and therefore this is the future of only the totalitarian sect , unfortunately, and believers obviously need to get out of there and really join the orthodox church if they want it, you know, christ in the gospel speaks about it very simply leave the dead to bury their dead if these people don't want to get out of this moscow swamp, that's too by the way , a quote from centuries ago, that's why i don't leave them there let's take me out, friends, to sum up, to summarize our conversation, there are questions in the category of alternative history

, this is, again, going back 100 years ago , this is the history of the ukrainian people's republic and the church project, because under the unr there was a whole ministry of religion, which in one way or another also sought a tomos from constantinople, there were also certain steps in order for the ukrainian church to be recognized if , again, i repeat that the question of an alternative history, if yes, if the ukrainian church project worked then we got betonus from the patriarchate of constantinople how important it would be for us to be recognized at the paris peace conference so that we would be considered as a subject how then the church issue was er, well , one of the key factors in order for the church project to work, the state project had to work if ukrainian the people's republic managed to defend itself and assert itself. and it would have been able to prove its subjectivity on the international arena, and then this church project would have worked without it. well, you can look

at interwar poland, for example, when on a part of the former russian orthodox church remained on the territory of poland and the poles managed to obtain a separate tomos from the patriarch of constantinople on the creation of the polish autocephalous orthodox church that the poles even dismantled the cathedral of the russian orthodox church down to the last brick in the central square, how much did they dismantle a lot, what did they dismantle, many churches were dismantled the policies of decolonization actually turned some churches into churches markers of the russian russian world in the center of the polish capital, but i say once again, first of all, the state project had to work, and when it worked, then the church project can also work. actually, what is happening in ukraine, ukraine happened as a state, we had a difficult path before that, we were changing presidents who were believers

mainly of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, we have a ten-year war with russia today, and only under these conditions the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine achieved the tomos and the state project actually worked, after that the church project worked. then it would have been the same . andriy, you made a good remark about decolonization . now this week, we know that the draft law that will carry out decolonization in ukraine has already worked. this is precisely what deprives us from the russian imperial legacy, and where is the russian orthodox church and what is the polish experience ? well, i don’t know. you understand the main thing here is that the baby didn’t fly out because we have, for example, the volodymyrskyi cathedral in kyiv. which is a creation of the imperial russian project and if it is destroyed well, it seems to me that it would be inappropriate, and on the other hand it is an architectural monument, that is, before the polish experience, it was easier with a pole, the vast majority of the population, more than two thirds, were

catholics, in turkey it was recorded that the catholic faith is the first among other equals and enjoys state support and they had a different situation, it was much easier for them to do it warsaw is a polish city, mainly catholic, to get rid of the russian cathedral , which was several decades old, which was the symbol of royal planning was easy for them, that's why we need to study the law on decolonization very carefully and implement it so as not to harm our history , our culture and our national memory. because in our country, this issue is much more complicated and much deeper than than in poland, but this law will really allow us to get rid of a lot of markers of the russian colonial world , which still remain in ukraine, well , it became a common example, i don't know, baikova street , the baikov cemetery for bikers, it is connected with by the surname of the russian general baikov, that is, let's give mr. andriy a word clearly. what is there? what to add? well, allow me to amend

it. ukraine, according to the results of the first liberation struggles, these people received the tomos of 1924. this is not the tomos that the poles achieved, it is the tomos that the ukrainians, in particular, professor ivan, asked for. ogienko, who later became metropolitan hilarion ogienko, a person who made one of the translations of the bible into ukrainian, but at that moment really confirms the words of mr. andrews, they lost their statehood, and the key is the canonical aspect that an independent state has an independent church and due to the fact that there was no independent state, the kostopil patriarch of that time granted that part of the kyiv metropolitanate that was part of the polish state and the commonwealth of nations, and the poles understood very well that it is better for them to support the ukrainian orthodox than to receive under the mantle of the russian orthodox or white guard agents who will work against the polish state and

the orthodox worked to strengthen the then polish state and, by the way, from this so polish autocephalous orthodox church which was founded by this tomos, and we received the revival of our church, the second revival of the ukrainian autocephalous orthodox church during the second world war, with the same by the way , it’s easy to say, with the same element, another very important fact then, during the first liberation struggles in the 17-20s, we did not have the international support that we have now, and international support is also a very determining key, this also applies to the church issue, now there is international support, and let's say the orthodox churches of the free world, which are independent from moscow's funding or moscow's intervention, they stand by ukraine, extend a helping hand to ukraine and recognize the ukrainian church, as well as international

support and our allies who provide us with weapons to fight against the russians. supported by our international partners and france, the united kingdom , they did not rely on the russian white guards who wanted to revive the russian empire, but on the ukrainians, then you obviously had a ukrainian state, but even in the conditions of the soviet russian occupation, our predecessors managed to create a ukrainian autocephalous orthodox church, and just look at the thousands of these parishes at the huge element of those people who were ready to give the last for their church. this would really be a powerful and large church. this is a church that united the people and the bolsheviks perfectly saw this and understood it, and that is why they fought against it later in the 33rd year with the holodomor simply by physically exterminating this nation in order to

disintegrate it and destroy its unity. now, apart from international support, unity is very important for us, because we lost when we did not have unity, unity around ukraine, around the ukrainian state, around the orthodox church of ukraine and our most blessed metropolitan, an epiphany , because you know, i philosophically explain this war to myself by you know that in reality the lord gives such a definite concession through this war, so that ukrainians finally realize themselves as ukrainians and begin to appreciate the fact that we appreciate only when we can lose your break just for that we only have a few minutes left, i want to give you one minute at a time to turn to the audience to congratulate and you can say how would you like to see the celebration of this holiday literally minute by minute , we will end it.

and to say one word for sure. we do not have another land, we do not have another state, and for this land, for this state , it is not worth and necessary to fight, we are fighting for it, we will win, and i hope that ah, in a year, the day of the ukrainian state will be, where possible, it will be the day of the ukrainian victory. it is possible to somehow combine this joyful event with the great day of the ukrainian state . god bless your words, friends. today we mentioned with you the moscow patriarchate, or in general , the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. an oxymoron is like hot snow . something like this cannot be ukrainian in moscow , and unfortunately, due to the fact that part of our citizens are still dependent on a religious organization with a spiritual center in ukraine, the aggressor, is only evidence that some of our citizens still do not believe in the armed forces of ukraine and in our victory. the fact that they remain there is a sign that they are still waiting for

the arrival of the russian occupiers . russian friends will not come here. we will defeat the occupiers, it will be our victory. i sincerely congratulate you on the day of statehood. and on the day of statehood , i call for unity around the idea of ​​ukrainian statehood. well, i just don't know what else to congratulate. what else can i say? i liked the story, god willing, you will translate the great holiday of the ukrainian victory with the liberation of absolutely all territories by ruslan. then we will say goodbye to the guests . before you remind the guests once again , what is my name? the same challenges that faced our parents have changed, and god forbid that we do not pass on the challenges of our answer to work, that now we have a strong state, it is also getting stronger . a strong ukrainian church is therefore a must we will win, and we talked about it during our broadcast time, but what role did the church play in the history of ukraine and what impact did it have on the history of our statehood? thank you

, gentlemen , for this conversation. broadcast andriy kovalev candidate of political sciences and religion expert and spokesperson of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine thank you thank you viewers once again for the holiday we will be ukraine ukraine the revolution was supposed to start a day earlier, but it was an inconvenient day, one of the student leaders, mark ivashyshyn, was getting married that day, the resignation of the government, new elections, the refusal to sign the union agreement, his own army to support the demands of the hunger strikers , hundreds of thousands of kyivans come out on october 17 and vashchyshyn announced

a hunger strike, the victory ends, not all then they believed in this statement, but within a year almost all student demands were fulfilled , the government changed, ukraine declared independence , big things begin with small steps the next step is your state, we persevered because we understand that the most important thing is our wealth, our people, that is why we are happy for every ukrainian and ukrainians who were saved because we know that there is no such thing as small help and we are ready to support them to the best of our ability with a similar

projectile only strengthens our unity and desire for victory in contrast to them, we will display the winning one and we will recover from the ruins of the washed away kimzhi never and we will display after the scandal the procurement of food by the ministry of defense and eggs for 17 hryvnias, all television procurements were open and tenders are conducted through prozorro and the anti-corruption council has started working at the ministry of defense, how does it all work, has corruption disappeared there, we will discuss today in the night watch as part of the national telethon well, we are pleased to introduce today's guests - this is yuriy nikolov, the editor-in-chief of the edition of our money , and tetyana nikolayenko, a member of the anti-corruption council of ukraine of defense, which was created 3

months ago after the loud egg scandal known to all of us. thank you, friends, for visiting . good evening. we will definitely talk, i still want to start with what has been happening in recent weeks , scandal and ping-pong, when can you tell them when ? that drones should also be purchased, but not within the framework of spending these funds. what do you think, mr. yuri , let’s start with you contrasting the spending of state funds and local budgets on road repair and aid to the army. this is normal. how you think it's normal, it's right and it's very cool that we've already received a reaction, but i literally came here to read the statement of klychka , the mayor of kyiv, about the redistribution of money in the budget of kyiv

, billions are now going in a new direction, there are also drones, including more support for the armed forces of ukraine well, let's say such military expenses, well, it's not important in the distribution, it's clear that if the money is redirected here, it means that it is taken from somewhere, which means that it was possible to take something from the budget. well, you know, this is not so relevant right now because we the war has not been won yet and the risk that the katsaps will return right here to kyiv well, let's say it is not much less than 100%. and that's why finally, when i came up with this drones instead of stadiums, and we just started counting this, a few months ago, we saw that the construction season was starting and there was an influx in the regions, and the local authorities started tendering there, and at such a good, powerful pace, about 70 million about 120 million for the reconstruction of stadiums in

which these are city stadiums, in which some of them will play local teams, let's say yes, no, of course i worry about football, i love it myself. but i understand that if it's good for your health, you can run and on the lawn somewhere, you can hit a wall, and even more so, you know how to gather a thousand people in the stadium, wait until you get there- rockets will fly, well, it is so doubtful, we began to follow them to find these stadiums . i was very impressed by the story in zhytomyr, where the local stadium has been reconstructed for several years and is under the command of the billionaire owner of the largest retail chain in ukraine 70 million is taken from the state budget, and also at prices, as we call them in our editorial office x2, you know, multiply by 2, well, take the cost of a brick, multiply by 2 and pay for its estimates, because people understand what it is. well,

relatively speaking, let's count 70 million in drones, do you want in storks, do you want in half, do you want in magicians, in any kind and they immediately start reaching people because we have never had so many people at the front in our life , we have a million people there, that is, i have two of my brothers in my family , my nephew is there i'm the only one already a man just of military age. what else is civilian, that is, the connection with the front is now very powerful, and every family understands that it is more important to have a military base or a stadium. some are needed every day . fees for oil drones are definitely yes. on some kind of car abandoned there for some other needs, and people obviously have hair standing on end there, especially when and then there are injured people, they return, they are not paid, and then people see that for some reason, excuse the nonsense, and you spent millions and they uh, that is, a rubber band for a person who risked his health defending ukraine, you don't have money in the budget, and you

can't distribute it in any way, but you definitely have it. dissatisfaction and it is obvious that, well, thank you that our government has not yet completely detached itself from the life of society , which says, well, we can't start here in the rear , like, we need to repair the roads, i don't need to paint, i didn't need some , it was necessary for the children. a third of the region depends on it, and the junction to the new new building in kyiv is on the outskirts. well, wait a minute, yes, this is a very big difference, the road along which large trucks pull shells from the western border there. 20 km long, where guys from one village to another will come for a minute, it’s not the expenses, it’s illogical, unreasonable things, and thank god, when did we start these people’s

riots? well, not riots, riots or whatever name the discussion yes yes if only you were her school yes and we just don't have the money yet there's just a disaster in the budget so that it's already indignant when you understand that some posts are calling for donations to support the boys for a car or a drone they frankly in the comments, they write: yes, you are buying yours, there is no money, and they are going to give people money, and on the other hand , they are complaining. why, without public pressure, without this sloppiness from the people, the local authorities did not come to the conclusion that a, let’s somehow be to spend money on the army, well, when they are somehow its central, as you understand from the place where i was elected

, they central did not really understand that some things ugh, some officials clearly did not understand that it is not possible to steal and set some simply unrealistic prices in contracts at a time when people give the last to the front, and some give their lives so that you sit in your offices here and continue to steal in the regime , a lot is already with you, the second thing is that mercedes is not understood in the same way, the whole maldives for one hundred thousand hryvnias one night and he is fine he gets tired. it's normal. he's tired, that's why he needs to rest. he's not in the trenches, but he has a big moral burden . well, that's the only way i can understand it. because when you have a loved one in the trenches, you have something else, well, that is , we physicists can't say what's in it for us you don't need to rest, that's what it is. well, we all have a psyche, it's not unlimited, we all need it. but well, for sure, if you already want to rest, then do it somehow so that no one notices. and for sure, when you fly to the maldives, well remembers the case

of the previous president or when you want to put up a flagpole for 5 million well, i just didn't understand how much you could do for these flagpoles. to insert it and to whom it seems that so little has reached them. well, in any case, the main positive news is that we are now so that the night will never be depressed, and the main positive news is that over the last few days, the mayor of lviv is that i see in my eyes the mayor of kyiv and a few more more or less well, not so big cities have announced the redistribution of their budgets from peaceful purposes to those that bring our victory closer, and this is about large sums, and this is a very reasonable way out when there is no confrontation between the central government and the local government when we stop talking threats of decentralization, corruption of chess, we understand what, what, what, this is in a certain way

manipulation, when, what, well, division , yes, we preserve the unity and move on and beat the katsaps, well, this is our main goal for everyone, how will we beat in 15 minutes after the victory, that is we have returned to the roads of civilian procurement, we will come and see video cameras . and if we return to the stated topic of our main one, we want to talk about what changes have already taken place, six months have passed since this high-profile procurement scandal of the ministry of defense. made public all these changes that have taken place and they want to understand this and what exactly happened because in our country the government very often reacts publicly to something and then time passes and everything remains as it was, mrs. tetiana

the anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense, what kind of structure is this and how effective do you see its work in the framework of replacements that we would all like to see a price reduction and a change of objective suppliers, normal, all these stories , what are we talking about, what are you writing about yura and when were we created and everyone said that this is a charge. are there any other people without authority, or can you? well, it’s actually because we have such structures . it is important to appoint people there, and collections are food. well, it was already obvious that the ministry had to react in some way. they started these negotiations carefully, which did not lead to anything, but the main plus of this whole story is that there is also the merit of the ministry of economy, and of the whole society in that this process was so transparent. and

when they tell that it's all there, it's like it's the ministry itself, it's all inside the cabinet , there's nothing like that. until the last minute, they did everything to leave at least the same couple, but for direct contracts, that is, transparently, transparently, there, uh, a week before that, framework agreements for electricity were discussed , this is the purchase of shoes, uniforms, and there, uh , the ministry of defense did not accept this formula either. they wanted direct contracts, the eggs in the ministry of defense remained that procurement there are eggs, eggs as such are left in the catalog. yes, there are chicken quails, how many pieces seem to be six 6 hryvnias left just there? and they understood that the creation of these gaps is, well , in fact, the creation of a window of opportunity for corruption, and they are now doing it on purpose

deliberately understanding what exactly they are doing, well, look even when all these lots were already traded and it became clear that if you take the first number, there was a saving . and the previous 6 billion. yes, there is more . when the requirements for the participants were already reviewed, some of them soared, respectively. well, the sum of the social ones remained there, but 5 billion of these trades were transparently saved on food, and in fact, now we can spend this money on the purchase of the form. this is simply the result - it is 5 billion billions that can be spent for some other need well as far as i remember, 5 billion is enough to put on clothes, just clothes, imagine our armed forces to take and re-clothe this entire army in new and clean ones. this is three days before the release of your investigation, the release of the main administration , anton, a provocation is being prepared using

ukrainian journalists of well-known mass media against the leadership of the ministry of defense. i looked around, but to the honor of the law enforcement officers, they did not put pressure on me, because they understood the pressure on the whistleblower - this is an absolutely ridiculous scenario , this is in russia, yes, navalny exposed someone, i received a rookie prison, and the corrupt person remained in svoboda, so they wanted to do something so that it would be like russia thank god we were repelled, we came to our senses and ukraine continues to develop in a normal way, as is customary in a democracy , corruption was exposed, we were punished. well, here, unfortunately, we punished someone. and what was brought to the transparent plane of procurement of the ministry of defense, because we say it simply, this is everything except weapons

, even the only thing that was purchased without transparency is bulletproof vests and a member, and there according to the standard , it is not even too much it was better, they were tested specifically for russian bullets, there are companies that left after that scandal and after the open e-e tender , what is happening is transparent, or they left the food, it works a little bit wrong there, they just change their name, they have it around there three orbital stations there are people who have been living there for tens of years, and the face changes there every year well, today was a premium company, tomorrow acts a few seconds , the same car, just a seal there, yes there, that is , the same people move between companies there, lord , why do we work like this, we’ll talk later

short folder we will continue this incredible conversation these words appeared 160 years ago almost 70 years they were forbidden to mention now these words sound throughout the world like the anthem of freedom big things begin with small steps thank you for your step, the state - this is us without weapons in our hands, but with brave hearts, they are brave to walk through the flames and smoke to save the injured, brave to go to mined lands so that the light in our homes is restored , brave not to make a mistake when there is no right to make a mistake, because from the fate of millions depends on this, dare to give hope and faith that everyone who is waiting

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