[000:00:00;00] spirit. we thank our viewers for being with us. we remind you that andrii seychuk and i will return to this studio today at 2:00 p.m., so stay with the press. we have many topics and many interesting guests. glory to ukraine is a program. my name is serhiy rudenko. greetings to everyone and i wish everyone good health, then he again spoke about negotiations with ukraine, he says that the west and president zelenskyi do not want to sit down with him at the negotiating table , putin said at the africa russia summit, there he talked a lot about peace, about grain, about how he will help african countries with a word, we will talk about all this today during the program with our guest volodymyr mogyrisk, but a few more news

of today before the conversation, 21 columns of wagnerites have already arrived in belarus, why are the wagnerites charging to belarus? is this connected with putin's statements and lukashenka on poland and in the russian taganrog tonight there was an explosion due to a rocket not far from the base , the russians are already blaming the ukrainian side maria zakarova, representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation has already announced that russia's response to ukraine will be tough. friends, those who are watching us now on youtube, please take part in our survey. today we are asking you what you would consider a victory over russia. of the russian federation where the putinization of the russian federation the trial of putin and his henchmen all this

together and your own version write if you have your own version in the comments below video i want to invite to a conversation volodymyr ogrizhka, diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast. because today putin announced that they will or are ready for negotiations. he said that all problems should be resolved in the course of negotiations, but they refuse to talk to us, including issues of strategic security, and generally said president zelensky issued, as he said, a decree, although it is a decree that any

negotiations with russia are possible only on the condition that the occupiers leave our land , what does this mean in putin's understanding, although let's still hear from putin to be absolutely sure be in our comments as for the polish leaders, they are probably hoping to form some kind of coalition under the nato umbrella and, first, intervene in the conflict in ukraine in order to then tear themselves away a bit fatter and regain what they consider their historical territories in today's western in ukraine, it is well known that they also dream of belarusian lands, this is putin, or rather that putin, but the statement is not the same, i think that you , mr. volodymyrets, are familiar with the current statement of vladimir putin, so what does putin want and why did he tell this to his african

friends, you see mr. serhiy, we are trying to sit down as they say to his chair and understand what is happening in the world, he is an outcast , that is, no one wants to discuss anything with him , but even contact him, that is, call him, come to conduct some negotiations, and so on . milka is black on him. he received suspicion well, in fact, the highest criminal court in the world and he is the person they want to arrest. as soon as he gets somewhere in the territory of the country that signed the rome institute, he should be arrested right away, so who should he deal with?

lupyshenko stays in china, stays in north korea. well, there. maybe somewhere else from that western direction. cuba, venezuela , nicaragua. well, actually, the whole set, so what should he do? well, at least, at least in some way, sell to his to the population, well the opinion that the day well, after all, look, i'm a powerful leader, everyone came to visit me, and that's just not, and this will be another slap in the face because, well, actually, they already talked to them about this, about this very thing, about three months ago said that there would be a big game and so on. and what we got. in the end, we got 54 in my opinion . if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the countries are 17. well, let's say it's not so far from the first row, some of

which are already 30- they have been sitting in their chairs for 40 years and probably understand very little, to be honest, because they barely they are dragging their feet, who is this, uh, the summit came out, and on the other hand, what uh, the results here can be arrived at the level of a conditional minister, not the president, but to have some kind of program, and here, what signed burkina faso , uh, some kind of petrel about the fact that they will develop joint activities in the space industry, in my opinion, the whole of africa is laughing and i do not understand at all what it is about, except that they will build some kind of spaceport there, well, it is unlikely, because with the current economic situation , they

promise not enough spaceports and not much else that they feed africa and say about a few of the poorest countries and several hundred and tens of thousands per ton of corn, well, listen, this is bullying in this same africa, so, well, for the picture you are showing it now, you can imagine something, but in fact, you can't offer anything. there are no real prospects because it is not good for russia's long-term economy well, that's exactly the african story that today we saw, can we understand that in the bottom situation, putin did everything in order to prepare, well, in quotation marks, to prepare for this summit with the american leaders and these 12 days of massive shelling of southern ukraine, odesa, kherson oblast, mykolaiv oblast, the black

sea region, that all this was directed precisely under this very one, so that the leaders of 54 countries, well, in different statuses, some are presidents, some are prime ministers , some are prime ministers some minister so that they just come to putin with a pile of money, and putin has already started saying that i'm not here, why are you here, look at the jet crisis, as they say, they don't say that the war is a crisis, and this crisis has to be solved somehow. let's put pressure on kyiv, although the leaders of african countries said that, obviously, not on the way back from st. petersburg, they will come to zelenskyi, but they will again demand peace from zelenskyi, although in this situation they had to give an ultimatum, it is obvious to putin that putin is turning the black sea into a dangerous zone for of civilian vessels of absolutely all states

a little earlier, not after all the recent bombings. and from the fact that russia withdrew from this so-called grain agreement and everything else already - this is exactly what it seems to me to be a logical preparation for what about what did you just say well, but also part of south africa and talk about the fact that they can put pressure on putin. i think that this is not realistic because they, uh, well, after all, uh , they have uh, no real political or economic no other influence on the process that is taking place in the world, because well, in fact, it has an extremely low economic level and, accordingly, political influence, which, as you know, is heading to zero, so from this side, it was hardly possible to expect

that they would be with by our active e-e so would say supporters because the kremlin continues in various ways , but all the same, to feed it, to keep it dependent on some kind of dependence , to write off, as it is now in moscow, everyone is trumpeting what is there. in any case, they would never have been returned and so on , that is, they are definitely trying to manipulate and keep all the western countries of africa from some kind of their own political control, but i repeat once again, they really have to offer something that has no potential is it a completely different picture than the one pursued and the policy pursued in china , that is indeed there for many decades, china

has been actively working on the african continent and can offer something, let it be at the highest level , how can western countries do it, but at least they can offer what can africans pay attention to, so to speak, and what can putin offer? well , except for weight and nothing more, and it is precisely because of this that, most likely, after the so-called point, beauties appear among those who are on the sidelines about something he starts talking there and it seems to me that you asked about the regular convoys arriving in belarus and many people ask what will happen next, what will happen next, in fact what we are discussing today will be the next

large cargo planes that will fly to africa with this gang that will be there in place to hold individual countries to account. i think that this is the main er result and the main purpose of this russian summit with africa so that at least in several countries through er tools called wagnerian thugs to take the situation more or less under control and try to suck out everything that is in those countries and nothing more well, but you noticed that china has influence well due to trade with a part of african countries and experts say that what what only 17 leaders of african countries, not 34, came to st. petersburg, which means that it was china who allowed or at least recommended african leaders in such

proportions to fly to russia, as far as this is true, well, it is quite possible of course, we are influenced by him. i think that we should also not forget about the west. countries also have their own interests in africa. and they are not small, so i think here. maybe we should even talk about some uh, you know, the communicative effect. when the pressure was from the side china from the west, and the result, as we can see, did not take long, because africa really is an interesting continent, it is a continent that is promising if you invest money in it and pay it wisely, then it can to give the perspective of the results that

china actually did and russia did not introduce anything there maybe because there is nothing to invest, especially now, the other side is throwing the situation away , that 's why he has quite a good economic position, and through the economy comes politics . -e i do not exclude at all that china could be a restraining factor in the preparation of this site. we still have the synchronicity of the head of the african union commission, musifaki maha-mata, and he says that the war in ukraine must end. and only on the basis of justice and reason will we hear that this war must to end and

it can end only on the basis of justice and reason; interruptions in energy supply and grain supply must be stopped immediately ; the grain agreement must be extended for the benefit of all the peoples of the world, especially africans. from the moment the grain agreement is concluded, the whole world is trying to bring putin to his senses and say that this cannot be done, you cannot blackmail people with hunger, you cannot blackmail the whole world with force and aggression, why according to you, in this situation, any appeals to putin have no force

, no consequences. i think that we should have gotten used to the idea that appeals don't work and i 'm honestly still surprised by the very passive position of our nato partners who state that if putin blocks our opportunities there in ukraine i mean to conduct civilian ships to odesa or others, a completely different situation will arise in the black sea, well, this is thinking at the level of a student of politics. and that's what the representatives of the high, so to speak, cabinets from washington say. i don't understand what such things mean, if russia sends one corvette there

, then there should be three corvettes of nato countries are there, by the way, and there are three countries: turkey, romania and bulgaria. well, maybe not all of them have corvettes. but there are, in the meantime , other vessels that can become . russia single-handedly blocked the black sea, uh, i don’t understand what these three nato countries are all about. it’s theirs, it’s their right to do what they think is appropriate. and by the way , it’s also their right to send ships along their borders, and why this banal opinion ? they can't think of anything, but i have a huge question, it's actually not as scary as someone thinks, it's not an escalation

, it's about ensuring freedom of navigation, there is a special un convention that regulates all these things, and no one has canceled it, no one by the way, i canceled the montreux convention, which allows warships to enter the black sea by 21%, i’m wrong today, why let’s say there are no ships of the usa, britain and france and so on, that is, in my opinion, this position is only those stimulates putin to continue this policy of blackmail and he will do everything because he does not meet any resistance terbi publicly said that the united states of america does not plan to accompany ukrainian grain ships in the black sea and explained it by the fact that it

will increase the tension between the west and russia well, this one tension already exists, that is, again, it is obvious that the united states of america is a marker for other nato countries in this case, that is, it is obvious that turkey, bulgaria and romania will not do anything like that until the aircraft carrier of the united states of america enters the zone with which they can strike the black sea fleet or the ships of the black sea fleet in the mediterranean sea or already in the black sea, why why is the united states of america so cautious about this, as if they are still hoping for some peace dialogue or any dialogue at all with putin or whatever it is possible to make an agreement, first of all, for the fact that you named this american official i was just being , but you mentioned

his last name. because of his really high position, and i honestly would be ashamed to make such statements in his place . well, he did what he did regarding how to restrain adhere to it is necessary to establish an aircraft carrier too too powerful a unit because there are several more around the aircraft carrier there should be dozens of escort ships in order for it to be in a state of appropriate readiness, protected, and so on, there will be enough for a few medium-class warships, and this would be enough, but you are right, the americans are like hell the authorities are not afraid of this very escalation, which they invented themselves, in my opinion, because as soon as russia

feels that, uh, it smells like oil, the level of escalation immediately decreases, and not on the contrary it increases, but our american partners either do not want to understand this or do not they can. and it just makes me wonder how long the americans will pretend that they don’t understand what’s going on. well, mr. volodymyr, it ’s not just about the black sea or the united states of america reported that the second in a week there was a dangerous incident with a russian plane in syria the white house officially officially reported that uh over an american drone near an american drone in the sky for a whole uh russian planes made dangerous maneuvers well the russians are testing the americans in the americans they are pretending that there was some incident

, they warned moscow there, obviously, you have experience of communicating on different diplomatic lines and on different, different connections, levels of connections, but there is a direct line between moscow and washington where they the fourth is the things that exist in bilateral relations, i.e. the highest level and this connection. it is always there because they are nuclear states and this connection simply cannot be , well, the truth is the truth, and such channels are needed , they are real really is a way clarify the situation in order not to make the wrong political decision, and this really applies to cases when it comes to a nuclear threat, because it is not the most, so to speak

, the most dangerous moment in their bilateral relations, but it is not about nuclear threats and it's not about the nuclear danger, it's about the obvious russian rudeness that you just have to understand and react accordingly . well, let's remember how vladimir putin's great friend is the erdoğan regime. at one time, it was 4-5 years ago, i think. took and knocked down a russian military lantern was killed. the pilot there in moscow shouted for three days and said that we will not buy your turkish tomatoes, but they quickly understood their place and everything, and there was no nuclear war, although it was a nato country and everyone understood that it was a country

nato was defeated by russia, and what is the other way with such actions, you cannot react to them , and russia quickly retreated, and it is clear that yes, yes, we will not do such a thing in the future, because because we will already have it made it worse. so it is not the last country in nato but she showed russia her place and russia saw this place and imagine that just three corvettes of nato countries will enter the black sea and will be there where needed . will enter the black sea and so on. and so on, they simply move somewhere far, far, far away and that's it. well, for this you just need to have the political will and understand that you are being played with, you

are just being provoked. well, ours are like that gentlemen, how are the bankers? well, they, er, i think that it is not only them, only they, they are afraid of all this and talk about excavation, this does not speak of escalation on the part of russia, but of weakness from the letters of america, unfortunately, such a sad, such a sad conclusion can be drawn from this this week, mr. volodymyr, a council meeting was held at which the issue of shelling of odesa was heard, and as the permanent representative of ukraine to the un serhiy kislytsia says, the russian representative refused to take the floor at this meeting, the representative of ukraine spoke the representative of the united states of america spoke and both the first and the second spoke about the fact that russia must be stopped, russia must be stopped, but these appeals in the council of state security that russia must be stopped

is continued in the following that russia is now convening a council of state council and wants to listen to questions about terrorist activities at the council of state security already that is, ukraine was there even before the shelling or the launch of drones in moscow, but today they are talking about the fact that in the rostov region , ukrainians are shelling er cities er according to your when er russia will be excluded from the soviet union. that well, it is absolutely obvious in the current situation who is the provocateur and who is the initiator of the war that is currently taking place on the territory of the ukrainian state, or for many representatives of the security council it is not clear whether they are pretending or it is not clear that it is putin who is attacking the south of ukraine, what is this putin is destroying the historical heritage

that is listed in unesco, this is putin destroying the grain that is needed for african countries sergius eh, unfortunately, eh, which is impossible 24 russia for the struggle is possible only if the general assembly votes for it mainly by a majority and then, without a decision, it will be approved by the council of ministers, it will not be approved because russia is there with the right method , a dead end from which to get out. today, we cannot get out of the only way, they have already told him about it, it is the termination of the powers of the russian delegation , starting from the next session of the general of the assembly, which should begin in september of this year, or any other. and it is quite realistic when the credentials committee makes a decision that the credentials of the russian delegation are not

recognized, they do not necessarily explain why he simply makes a decision, the decision is made by a simple majority of votes, and there are very few countries in this committee, less than 10, and there is no legal system. therefore, it is the only one . well, in the opinion of many of my ukrainian diplomats who have experience working in the un and are well-known international lawyers. this is the only way in which russia can be suspended from working in the organization in general, not only in the security council, but also to deprive russia of the right to participate in the meeting of the general assembly and numerous committees, and so on. and so on, and then gradually, when russia, let's say a few years, which it will usually live, it will be absent from this organization and political accents will change, and i think that this is a very realistic strategy that should

be pursued, but again, there must be the political will of those countries that are working this committee also has unconditional support from the west . if it is not there, then we are unlikely to make such a decision on our own . by the way, yesterday lukashenko asked his officials about what the un representation gives to belarus. we know that belarus is what ukraine is. back in the days of the soviet union, they were among the founders of the united nations . what did lukashenko say? well, today we are transferring diplomats to the direction where we need to work, where we need to strengthen

the overall situation, the situation can be seen with the organization of the national nation. put them in line with the western states, belarus too. we constantly talk about russia , about its work or its provocations in the organization of the united nations, but here the question is the same regarding belarus, but we always say that belarus and the belarusian dictator are co-organizers and co-responsible for russia's war against ukraine, but we do not articulate at the international level on the same platform in the organization of the united nations. as for the belarusians, we also need to apply those stations. are the same rules as for the aggressor, why don't we say constantly in touch with russia belarus russia