[000:00:00;00] political, although you are talking about world politics, but i know for sure that you also understand it as an intra -ukrainian person, mr. stefanchuk said that the constitution does not prohibit holding elections during wartime, and there are different opinions on this matter, and he said it for a reason . it must be some kind of agreement, some kind of dumping of information maybe for the sake of society, society should discuss this too and we will fulfill the wishes of the highest levels of the ukrainian government with mr. evgeny about this very thing and we will talk about whether it is good or bad. this is what i would even say that i wanted. mr. stephanchuk can say, and maybe even mr. zelenskyi wanted to, but they don’t dare, why don’t they dare to say what they wanted to say. please, do you know, mykola, when i was still a teenager in the soviet union, my parents

told me to eat soup regularly, because i won’t eat soup then i will have to swallow an umbrella well, to see what is in my stomach, how everything is going on there, we now know that similar studies are already carried out in the modern world, they are carried out either with anesthesia or , in fact, the thickness of this probe is so thin that, in principle, it can be done very simply, here you are do you understand when in this society they try to put an enema on a seamstress, yes, right away in public? well, it's not just like that, well, i don't think that the speaker of the parliament and doctor of law stefanchuk is so stupid as to make such controversial statements on friday

in the evening only to spoil the prospects of people who have been living in a state of war for more than 500 days , drink 50 g there, let's watch a movie no, this is a sufficiently demonstrative task of how ukrainian society will react to further actions and how quickly everything reacted here. here is another interesting point that this statement was preceded by the repeated words of volodymyr zelenskyi that we will not hold elections during the war, and zelenskyi's words were preceded by the words that , you know, there were rumors that the bank wanted to hold elections in the fall , but since a decision has already been made that martial law will be in effect until mid-november, then this year the elections will not be guaranteed

because the premature company is 60 days, if it is registered in a normal company, then it is 90 days and it is impossible to hold it already this year, but it is impossible to express our position to show that we are ready, well, this is wrong and the reaction of many leaders of public opinion who, let's say, do not feel piety towards the office of the president and the ruling party, it seems to me to be quite indicative of that that on the one hand i think that the authorities are actually seriously worried about other points not only that the war is going on but that the war is going on for so long i think it worries almost every citizen of ukraine regardless of the authorities he is near the authorities outside

by the authorities. this is not of fundamental importance, but the fact that corruption is becoming an increasingly obvious obstacle to society in the conditions of war is a very serious challenge, and you understand that we already have poroshenko there before. they said that he is maldivian, yes. e maldivian and the fact that he was demonstratively deprived there. well, probably. if he wore epaulettes on his deputy’s jacket , the epaulettes would have been publicly torn off in order to show that he was completely pitied by yevgeny, look at a very important point, actually on unlike the experts who have a point of view on this issue, i simply do not have my own point of view on this issue, i see one, not one, two, but two points on the one hand, it is obvious to me that i do not know everything and may not

be so critical of corruption that the current government headed by mr. zelenskyi is not bad. i am not saying that it is good. i am saying that it is not bad. i pray that it will not get worse. it is now doing more or less what it should do. and if there are elections, i am somehow convinced that it is big enough, i think the vast majority of ukrainians they will vote for zelenskyi and on the other hand there is a war and if, well, we can and should not hold elections, well, because the war is not because there , the parliament voted for a two-month extension of martial law, but just like you and i, we would sit and talk together. would beer without responsibility and here they brought up on the one hand such and such on the other hand such and such on the third side no one canceled democracy during the war whether elections should be held but war is war and elections should not be

held and if there is logic in her position and and there is logic in this position and in all positions, if today i am logic, but for you to say, how would someone call you, because i do not know who zelenskyi said, mr. yevgeny, as you say , it will be if they tell him that zelenskyi will not call me because i i didn't watch either his concert or the series servant of the people, that's why i'm not his target audience, but i'll say yes, you know, you and i found out last sunday that you and i are a story and that's it i will say as a historian that zelensky is now oscillating between roosevelt who went to more than the second term during the war and churchill, who lost the election immediately after the war, you understand, that is, there is a very big danger . well, i think there is no doubt in his mind that the second presidential term is indeed well

, he has a noticeable handicap and a fairly high level of trust, but immediately it arises the question is, after the war, how will we remain a military-field monarchy as it is now, or will we return to the state of a parliamentary -presidential republic, as provided for by the constitution of the law, if we return to the state of a parliamentary-presidential republic, then there is a big risk that we will not have a majority and will have to negotiate. i am so wet following the office of the president and his policy, and he is now, so to speak, the generator and degenerate of all directions of ukrainian politics. he lives by he prefers to negotiate according to a very simple principle: first we will eat yours and then each his own. i am not sure that

there are many people who will negotiate . to make claims to the authorities about the deaths of people about the fact that something was not done so that not enough was done. and there is another point about which we must honestly say that we will have tens of thousands of people who know how to fight but who will not be satisfied by any , i emphasize none, the most democratic results of the parliamentary elections because they will not meet their expectations, how to solve this effectively. to be honest , at the moment i do not know, that is, we do not have an effective one, that is, in order to

build effective communication, who needs it it must be built for a long time, because it is only there. speed ​​dating courses, they worked well. at one time, yes, there were pickers who taught there how to get to know a girl and quickly lead her to intimate relations, but practice shows that this is not very effective in everyday life and its practice shows that people should rely on certain values ​​and certain commonalities . to you regarding russia, i am trying to figure it out myself, er, it means that this war criminal was jailed according to the definition of the tribunal, gorkin, and

in russia there was a big discussion in ukraine , by the way, there was also one. maybe now one of the leaders of the opposition in the russian federation is slowly calming down. a prisoner and a sufficiently large number of russian oppositionists supported this thesis of papa navalny, so girkin, considering that he is not sitting in gas, not in the netherlands, but in russia. he is political a prisoner or not, i think he is actually a goat because a very interesting situation has arisen. a handsome man who led convoys to moscow shot down federal planes and helicopters the other day . here, literally yesterday, the day before yesterday, he met in st. petersburg with the leaders of african countries and there, give me something to say, he was rubbing shoulders with them . and girkin, who allowed himself criticism

only in social networks, went to the pre-trial detention center on charges of extremism, well , if this is not testimony to a certain extent, it is a crooked mirror. well, what is prigozhin actually like well, he remains a tool of political life at the moment and we will have to deal with him, but bitterly, he is actually a war criminal for us. and the fact that he is currently in a russian detention center does not make him any less of a war criminal for us. it's clear, but as for the bulk, well, everything is fine , you can sign up for wagner's pobla , whatever. okay, thanks to evgeny magni, executive director of the institute of world politics. thank

you, evgeny, for joining us now, i'm a couple words, i will say something, and then we will have an advertisement, and then we will have a look at the marshals, senators of the republic of poland , we will talk about poland and neighboring belarus. not a political prisoner, that's enough. it's an interesting story because if you look very quickly with the naked eye, then he is a political prisoner because he went to prison for words, but humanity long ago came up with such an option, it didn't come up with it, it just faced a dilemma and here it is this divided humanity decided itself criminals cannot be political prisoners, i repeat, if he is somewhere, well, conditionally, and i am taking it, in fact, illegally, without an extrajudicial

arrest, imprisoned and shot, this is a henchman of stalin who has a large amount of blood on his hands and, as i would think, well, you can say that he is a political political prisoner because he was imprisoned and shot without trial, without investigation, without anything, by the decision of some tsek there or the politburo of the central committee. but on the other hand , he himself is a criminal. and if he himself is a criminal , then he did not and did not receive rehabilitation either and in the version of the mountain, girkyn is guilty, he should simply be imprisoned for what he is guilty of: the military mutiny in ukraine , the death of ukrainians, the shooting of this boeing , the poor man who was flying from amsterdam to kuala lumpur , that is, he has a huge

number of grounds for that there are serious legal grounds for imprisoning him, but he sees dogs for what he said, which does not mean that it does not make him white and fluffy, that is, as a matter of fact, that is what international jurisprudence tells us. and advertising also tells us something it will start now, and after the commercials we will talk about, er, belarusian-polish, well, the possibilities of attacking prigozhina, in fact , poland may become an obstacle, not with my knees from pain in my knees. try dolgit cream . dolgit cream numbs pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. the only yellow cream for joint pain and for muscle spasms dolgit

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, we will speak in russian. we will get along, i hope. i am glad to see you, mr. michal. thank you for finding time for us on saturday evening. so, the first question is how seriously the poles and the polish press and the polish government take wagner, who is actually not far from the belarusian-polish border. to be honest, we are certainly very serious about what is the threat from russia like that? it is the aggressor in ukraine . it is to some extent the occupier of our neighbor in belarus . including as a citizen of this country and as a thug who exists in

the russian military-political space prigozhyn is also dangerous, but we do not refer to these specific threats to the statements of lukashenko , who even correctly pronounces the word rzeszów poland, that they will come to us, no one perceives this as a real threat to polish security , although of course there is a very high probability that there will be some kind of provocation against poland or against lithuania, as is always shown on the map suwalki a small town on the border with lithuania, this is the narrowest corridor in the border of nato with russia between russia and belarus, and of course i can imagine the possibility that some military provocations will take place

on this border, but first of all, this is a serious threat to our security we do not accept warsaw or hot food, but on the other hand, if they come to us, i just have a single question: who will pay for the loot that we will send back to russia? the cartridges that we will kill the russians is sweet let's say so eh but for the loot in which we will sow them back eh in eh there i just don't want to do it, well i lived how to say tukhachevsky also asked to collect warsaw he didn't succeed but i'm serious, i'm serious, i think that all these threats are possible provocations on the part of prigozhina and now there's a new plot that

russian and belarusian propaganda , like polish imperialism, which threatens belarus, ukraine, this is all in my opinion, operation to divert attention from what happened to the parishioner not in warsaw but in moscow - rather near moscow, this is the humiliation suffered by the russian federation putin from the fact that uh , just thugs with a good fortune could just take moscow's attention from the russian public from this humiliation and now they are trying to find a new plot for, let's say, interesting conversations like searches, uh, nationalists, polish imperialists who want to take this ukraine , western ukraine, you understand and that's why

they understand and want to occupy western ukraine they are now sending weapons to the ukrainian army, they are now collecting money for the armed forces , and so on and so on, and everything in poland is flying polish flags, and by the way, polish russian propaganda in poland does not say that we are going to go to western ukraine, but just western russian propaganda in poland says that the ukrainianization of poland is happening. i constantly receive letters from russian trolls and so on . why is there a ukrainian flag in my office? we would contact ukrainians constantly and so on and so on. why do we introduce some benefits for ukrainians in poland and everything

? polonization is no longer a threat to ukrainization, and russia is a threat to russia . the union between poland and ukraine is here. together and together we will be a member of both the european union and nato, russian imperialism will simply cease to exist as such mikhal mikhal eh, look, look, this is a very simple and complex military-legal issue, i would say it like that, but conditionally, provocations are happening. but i can imagine it, wagner's provocation is taking place somewhere on the polish border somewhere there and if the fifth article of the nato charter and russia says it's not us it

's not my it's what's there wagner it's irregular units we have nothing to do with it then i i'm just sitting and thinking. what could be poland's reaction? what could be nato's reaction ? are polish leaders, military officials, deputies holding any meetings in poland? what to do? okay, there may be 10 of them and they are not regular and they are not military in any way. but they can kill some pole, cause some damage, and this is a serious factor in what to do in such a case . in poland, we have a very long tradition of killing russian aggressors of the aggressor. therefore , any russian aggressor who comes to us it will just kill, it will kill, it will just happen like the last mad dog, and who will kill them, it doesn't matter

anymore, our soldiers, our police, and if by the way they are going to go, shuffling, and there they will have a very big surprise, because everything is so that i already there are american soldiers and officers, there is already american air defense and so on that protect the airport and let them attack american soldiers on polish territory, we are like nato territory becoming one under space security and the american president who was in warsaw this year, i heard him , er, in warsaw , well, in the old city . rather, as a terrorist, well, a terrorist with a russian passport, a terrorist behind whom it is visible russian, including

the belarusian state, and i think that even from a purely legal point of view, it does not matter much, let's say - eh what will be said about this topic? russian propaganda no one believes the russians anymore, it happened too late, i agree, i absolutely agree. the agreement is darker, yes , it happened too late, but fortunately, for the most part , no one in the west believes russian propaganda and no one will believe that wagner himself simply let's say we broke up and went to warsaw michal watch see it's unlikely to happen look ah to poland it 's interesting to me i'm definitely interested in the autumn elections in poland that's very interesting yes yes and who who who what what

do sociologists say how how are the right and left forces i i don't even want to name the parties and so on, but we know that now there was a strong enough support in the last elections, and the right is polish, yes , it is clear, the left is now too, if elections are elections, everything is fine, democracy, what sociologists say is polish, i don't even know that it is polish the political scene is not very suitable now , this section between the left and the right is suitable because we will say it in poland, it is too complicated. i myself am a liberal, rather a liberal, a conservative. i am an opponent of the current government.

sociologists, what can i say? how can i participate in this game? i am also running for office as a senator . that they do not have potential partners for a coalition, although most likely their future if they remain, if they remain in power, their future coalitions will be extremely right, and the nationalist movement is called a confederation a-a and honestly, in this party there are no longer politicians in poland who express pro-russian positions, let's say very few of them. but if there are, they are unfortunately located between the polish nations. how strange is it that russia supports fascists in any

country in europe? unfortunately, including in poland. and one more question, it may be the last. yes, this may happen. there is a significant enough conflict. polish farmers say that we do not want to see ukrainian grain in poland . not only polish but also slovak and 9 central european countries say the same. well, how bad is it, how serious is it, how serious is it, is it really the fault of the ukrainians, well, let the poles give themselves er rads as a man who will say well, very strongly and all this is perceived that way in poland , i always advocate for employment for friendship between poland and ukraine i blame the guests of poland and the authorities of ukraine for this crisis. unfortunately, i am very sorry that many poles and slovaks in europe do not understand that the real

conflict, if it already exists, is happening between the oligarchs who are trying to make money from the current situation and markets in ukraine and the european market, and here is exactly ukraine. how ukrainians are, nothing to do with it if the oligarchs who, i'm sorry, did very bad things for ukraine, and now they are also asking to earn dirty money from this crisis , because you understand that if this grain comes to poland from ukraine, and people from the other parties actually help ukraine, and the grain that comes from ukraine destroys business in poland, and not because it is legal, only because there are oligarchs and mafiosi, i can say.

they make money on it with plans to deceive the european union and the customs of the european union, and of course the budget of poland and polish farmers suffer from this, and ukrainian and polish relations suffer from this, and in the end, ukraine also suffers from this. thank you , michal kaminsky, marshal of the senate of the republic of poland a member of the european parliament of the fifth, sixth and seventh convocations was with us, i will just take half a minute to understand so that people can interpret this transit in some strange way. go through poland and there somewhere further beyond poland on boats or by road transport and go somewhere, but for some reason it slows down in poland and is somehow sold in poland , and in this way, if there is a lot of grain, there is a lot of grain , then there is very little, the prices fall sharply, and the poles

are against it, but in what way who buys this ukrainian grain in poland is not clear, there is no right to stay there, ukrainian grain, but not what has the right and it is the duty of iryna koval to start talking about the news of ukraine and the world now , please don't panic. actually, i will tell you about how to protect ukrainian ports, also about the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and the evacuation from kharkiv oblast, so