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russian president vladimir putin to continue like this. the so-called grain agreement, he will at least contact the russian president and discuss the situation with him, week after week there are no contacts between the presidents of the country. we do not even know for sure whether vladimir putin is really visiting turkey, because if there is confirmation on this matter from the the kremlin has never said that the president of russia is going to where he is going, so it is absolutely true and i think that this problem was known from the very beginning. to stay only in russia and not to go abroad. i think this is a circumstance that seriously complicates his foreign policy activities , and actually, the meeting between the data and putin is under great threat. and in general , ertogan is too optimistic, as for me

, he also broadcast messages about the possibility at first -e restoration of the grain agreement and then about the beginning of the negotiation process with putin , in my opinion, for turkey, now is such a time x er decision-making moment and this is a very uncomfortable situation for erdoğan because the least he wants to do now is make a decision, we see russia's strategy, russia's strategy is to delay the return to the grain agreement as much as possible, some call the terms three months, and based on this, during these three months, russia will do everything to destroy the ukrainian the potential of eh and minimize the possibilities of ukraine’s return to this grain agreement

in general. and in general, ah, hmm, so that ukraine has opportunities to transport grain to the black sea, and whether orthogan can offer anything, well, it’s obvious. so far no, i think that now in frankar, in the expert environment close to ertugan, they are just trying to review certain approaches and develop a new strategy that may be less er-er tolerant towards russia, and there are certain signals about this that the expert environment is closer to the body is now starting to talk about a just peace and moving away from those e-e efforts or those positions they took just

a few weeks ago that the head of the kremlin vladimir putin proposed an alternative initiative according to which qatar will pay in moscow for the observance and delivery of russian grain to turkey, and turkey will then distribute the alleged harvest among the countries that need it . but this option has already been criticized by many experts, mr. igor . only the amount of grain in russia is enough, but this proposal is not the first, it has already sounded from the lips of russian officials, they have already offered the boat and turkey this option, they refused as far as i know, this time they also they refused because the issue is not actually to supply grain to the world market, but the issue is stable - in the stable operation of the grain market, that is, that there are alternatives to the supply of grain from different countries, which are actually

the vocation in order to stabilize this market, ukrainian grain is one of the key players on this market, i.e. the availability of this grain, and we also hear about this not only from the side of turkey, but also from african countries, which actually repeat exactly this thesis that the problem is not that there is no grain in africa but the problem is that thanks to ukrainian grain, the grain market is stabilized and is at an acceptable level , which allows them to ensure grain security if there is a 10-15% price increase, which is predicted, then this is unprofitable and then until also because the leaders of african countries will start to pressure him, they are already asking him questions, yes, that's it, you understand

. if we're talking about putin, how ready will he be to respond to requests and to this pressure, we know his behavior, his behavior consists in the fact that he never he does not er hmm let's say he does not make concessions in conditions of pressure er and this is not a very constructive position well, if you want to achieve some kind of result but he simply cannot act in a different way, he needs to squeeze hmm from the side of the european union from the side of the united states of america, that is, from those countries that have imposed sanctions on russia , he does not see concessions and any other option than blackmail, therefore, in my opinion, he will continue this m- m this kind of thing and at

least as of now it will most likely be ignore these calls or try to explain how he did it at the africa-russia summit, and by the way, quite critical remarks were also made there , including quite harsh statements by african leaders that grain is not a handout, it is not rattlesnake africans need a stable market and they have the opportunity to dig and buy grain in other markets, but they really need grain stability in this situation. well, here is another question: what are the african leaders, erdogan and the people's republic of china? by the way, they they say all the time that they would like the initiative to continue, they criticize russia for withdrawing from this initiative, even china is publicly criticized, the un security

council said that it is necessary for this initiative to continue, but there are no political consequences of this criticism, all relations, the level of relations with russia is constantly decreasing, here look. we read what the president of the comoros and the head of the african union, assalia somani, said. he said that the african union requires the continuation of the black sea vision initiative, which is the issue of food stability, stability in african countries, and during the meeting with vladimir putin, it was this russia that africa called his friend a brother, he said that if russia wins, africa will also win , these are the quotes. you can be ignored with all your worries. that's exactly what russia is doing. that 's what russia is doing. she ignores them because, by and large, part of these countries found themselves somewhat dependent on the russians

. part of these african countries stopped in a lot of dependence on china. some of these countries are in a filestate situation. they are ready to take from anywhere and without looking, as they say, into the eyes of those who give and into the hands, and therefore, in this regard, africa and africa are not like that. let's put it this way, the countries of africa these are not the countries that will rely on the principles of morality and observance of international law at least, they will be very pragmatic and criticism on the one hand is criticism without a doubt, we see that practically a large number of african leaders did not

come because that after the first exactly when they expected a large amount of investment to increase direct investment in the economy of these countries, this did not happen, but at the same time, we must understand that africans currently do not play a significant role in order to seriously influence political decision-making at the international level . china and the russian federation regarding the grain agreement, because china is one of the largest exporters of our grain and is in the top 5, in particular, over the last year it was the largest buyer of corn and barley oil , we are primarily interested in public e-e manifestations of dissatisfaction or the public reaction of china and this public reaction is not enough, well, by and large, we heard certain statements, but

they are, let's say, of such an optical nature , while non-public statements, if they were heard, we know little about them in general, china's policy, and especially in relation to russia, it is closed what is going on there behind closed doors under the carpet , it is already possible that the american intelligence knows, but certainly not us, so it is difficult for me to say whether he will insist on china, well, obviously the situation may have already seen the situation before the start of the war, before the war, china actively bought grain both in ukraine and in other countries, obviously understanding that there would be a war or knowing about it that there would be a war, and for a long time they were satisfied with this grain until this grain initiative did not work part of it again china can compensate russia for part of its grain, it can

get it from other markets. the same latin america, by the way, well, soon it will be possible to already have a part from india. well, it is possible that i will not be here from india, and they say small experts, how much there is a trade between india and china, grain is big everywhere, but india is undoubtedly a big player in the grain market. so, in any case , he can wait for a certain time, that is, this lag is about many periods of time, about which many people talk about three months, what putin allocated to the achievement of its goals in the frame- within the framework of this operation in the black sea, it is likely that china can satisfy, if we talk in general about the situation related to russian-chinese relations, in principle , the fact that russia ignores the chinese

desire to preserve the black sea zone initiatives, it shows that many people in the world overestimated the influence of all this foam on putin. well, yes, it often sounds eh in assessments eh. complete in vassal dependence on china rather china rather uses russia uses russian frontmanship yes that is, it is that russia is in the foreground and china can be in the shadow of russia and if it does not show itself seriously and quietly prepare

in fact, to its strategic tasks, and in this sense, i think that the situation can actually be described as exactly that, that is, china is not satisfied. china would like to continue the grain initiative, but as of now, china has obviously agreed with russia for at least some time will not carry out any divarshes in order to force russia to return to this initiative after a certain time when it becomes clear that china can, by the way, play this role, that is , if you look, thanks to us, russia returned to this initiative, but within three months, obviously, we will have this story, let's still possibly discuss the topic regarding the place of foreign affairs of the chinese in an interesting situation , why did he disappear? just a month ago, it is not clear what happened to him, and now you have officially appointed her

as the minister of foreign affairs, where he was e- a year ago or in general, you have some kind of strange situation , and even more strange, mr. igor, that the closest to china is the press, there are media such as the tea post, a hong kong newspaper known as the tea post, which, as a rule, reflects the official position of china, yes. and i would say civilized careful model, she also said that the story with the gypsy minister is a draft law of the people's republic of china. she is serious. it may reflect on china's reputation in international relations. no one still explains what happened, well, frankly speaking, i also cannot explain to you what happened because china's internal policy is first of all, this is not my skate, and secondly, it is a secret behind many seals, that is, what happened there, and why did such a demotion suddenly take place, because they actually occupied the post that was

a little more powerful than just being the minister of foreign affairs, that is, he was largely guided by foreign policy at the level of the field bureau. and what happened now, well , it’s hard to say , uh. by the way, it is possible that the situation here is just that, by the way , the soviet union had an absolutely identical situation when, after several months in the position of the ministry of foreign affairs , dmitry shapilov was removed from this position. you remember, of course, there was also there was such a promising young party functionary, the minister of foreign affairs. here he was once transferred to at least the position of secretary of the party central committee, but many people in the world did not understand what happened. why is such a promising young minister removed from his post and here is tsiligan is very similar to a young lisp, maybe the times are different, but maybe they studied in china

, maybe the times are different, maybe ah, this is due to the fact that for xinjianping ah, foreign policy is a very important element and direct curatorship. maybe they didn't agree in opinion, maybe some other events happened, and maybe he was liquidated for this, not only about some political moments. well, actually, i wanted to say or, uh, amaralka, which actually didn't lead him to tsegonder, listen. you know very well that if a person is needed, everyone turns a blind eye to any of his actions, it turned out that the circumstances turned out to be such that the amaryllis may have worked just now. tell me, let's finish by talking about the story of the celebration of the 70th anniversary

of the so-called victory of the dprk in the war in between the south and north korea and the trip then, serhiy shektova does not surprise you at all that north korea is still celebrating some kind of victory in the war, although in fact it was defeated , if we are honest to the end well, it is not surprising, it is not surprising , because they still have to celebrate in totalitarian regimes, where war is peace and behind the eagle, in principle, you can celebrate any defeat as a victory, you don’t take it, after all, this is russia in the russian empire, the crimea , the victims of the crimean war. wars, yes, that is, why not? why is it not recommended to do this? this is the only thing that they have, uh , of a heroic epic, and it is connected with the ruling dynasty

, which they use, without a doubt , to use this victory and this event in order to support a certain the level of hysteria in society thank you ihor semevolov director of the center of middle eastern studies pass by us directly in contact and we are moving on mykola knyazhytskyi people's deputy of ukraine i congratulate you mr. mykola congratulations now we will wait now then what will we wait people's deputy mykola knyazhytsky and i will announce what exactly we will discuss, because there are many hot topics, first of all i want to congratulate my colleague vitaly portnikov, he finally officially became a laureate of the shevchenko prize, and the president of ukraine signed and issued a decree directly about this and how much time has passed vitaliy

p it seems like five months, but a lot of time has passed since the commission determined the laureates, but the president didn't make decrees. it 's interesting to hear the opinion of people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi, but why did the president drag it out for so long? is it related to whether it was due to certain political motives or not, we don't know, we will also discuss and what we can already do p mykola let's start with the elections. it's strange that we didn't have to talk about it at all. i think during the coming years, you don't know, because we don't know when the martial law will be abolished on the territory of ukraine, it has just been extended for another 90 days, it is obvious that there are all the prerequisites to believe that it can be extended for that time as long as the russian-ukrainian conflict continues, but today he does not know the history of the end of this confrontation no one. perhaps he is lost somewhere in the 20s and 30s of our century. and now it turned out from the words of the speaker of the ukrainian parliament

, mr. stephanchuk, that the constitution does not prohibit holding elections during war, but only the law on martial law. although i remember exactly, you know, there were times when our deputies and other politicians took the constitution with them to all television programs and i had to read it many times. i remember what it says in general that the powers of the verkhovna rada elected before martial law a state of emergency is terminated exactly when the martial law ends and the mandate of the new verkhovna rada begins, meaning the one already elected after the cancellation of martial law and the state of emergency as thus, you can contrast the constitution as a document that allows elections to be held during martial law. no, you can, the verkhovna rada will continue to work the elections of the next verkhovna rada, but this verkhovna rada will continue to work, everything can be more normal. well, this is absurd, because the question is not

whether the constitution allows or forbids there is really no rule in the constitution that elections cannot be held during martial law, but it is said that the verkhovna rada, as you correctly said, was elected until the declaration of martial law and continues to work until it ends. anyone will give you exactly such an interpretation, but the question is different, even if someone wanted to hold elections now during the war, it is legally and technologically impossible, because the choice should represent a wide range of all we have voters, there are many voters abroad, we have adopted a law according to which we have open lists in this law , including the occupied territories of ukraine, it turns out that they will not be, but in leonid, the territories are close to the contact line, also in other territories, how to hold elections according to open lists , when will there be disproportionate representation, since many people from the east have gone to the west , how will those people who are abroad vote , how will the military vote, because they

cannot go to their district and to vote for your candidate and to vote on the front line is also probably not very convenient when you are being shot at, to put it mildly , so the question is not even what the chairman of the verkhovna rada said or what he did not say, but that during such a full-scale staff war that we are now we have to hold elections, which the world recognizes as simply impossible, but on the other hand, your western friends also say that some kind of election is needed. ukraine should exist as a democratic state , how do you agree with that conflict? coke's words seem to be a representative of the council of europe. they took a piece from them. he had. he then corrected himself and said that he obviously meant that after the end of the war, we are a truly democratic state. but as i said , we cannot hold elections now, even technologically, neither according to the old law nor without an answer. to all the questions i said no to the 7 million people who left, there is no place to vote , the embassy is not enough for this

, in a word, there are more questions and the elections are not ready and i do not know how to do them carry out during martial law, which is really a state of martial law in connection with military operations. because it is possible to declare a state of martial law or martial law , it would be more correct to say so correctly, and at the same time military operations will not take place . there will be, for example, a frozen conflict, in such a situation, this also contradicts the constitution but it can be found. it is possible to at least technologically spend it in the active phase during the military conflict. and now we have an active phase. it is impossible to do it regarding the elections. we heard, let’s move on to other topics . i will still ask the one who started with what and what worried me about the laureates of the shevchenko prize a p mykola what do you think why, after all, the president could not issue a decree regarding these laureates for five months and, after all, determine them for 2023, because the commission decided five months ago

i also wanted to join you in congratulating mr. vitaliy, your colleague, on the awarding of the shevchenko prize, and it is a great honor for me now to speak with vitaliy and to know him for many years, so i sincerely congratulate you and believe that this is, of course , the greatest award for every ukrainian, but i believe that it is definitely not the last, because there are many other direct ones, too. although the point is not in the awards, of course, but in the fact that mr. vitaliy likes to read , listeners, viewers, and readers say hello, get to know each other on the streets, wait for every video blog of every program of yours together with angelika, and this is probably the most important thing for as for the election person, as for the award itself, well, listen, i don't know why it happened, i can only guess. we remember that for a very long time the shevchenko committee itself did not announce the winners, we all knew about them, but they were not announced, and later under when did it start public pressure, they announced the winners but resigned because they said that there should be several more nominations

. this was against the rules. you see, this decree is not called a decree on the awarding of the shevchenko prize, as it has always happened, but it is called the issue of the national prize, which consists of two parts . which you are now showing here is a list of the laureates of which once again i would like to congratulate everyone, and then right there it is said that a new shevchenko committee is being created, and you do not have this second part, but this is part of the same decree, what does it consist of and there are many respected people, and obviously one gets the impression that why is it in one decree that those respected people most likely did not give their consent to be included in the shevchenkiv committee until the shevchenko prize is not until the decree on the awarding of the shevchenko prize is issued and in general, to destroy the shevchenko award, which has a huge tradition in ukrainian culture, the authorities did not dare, that is why they did it in such a single decree, that is, the new committee, no one would

go to work on this committee if the award was clumsy. therefore, i think it stimulated the president to present the awards. and why did he not want to present them and did not present them as required by our legislative acts on taras shevchenko's birthday on march 9. this is more of a question for the president's office, but what it was heard in the press that someone from the president's office didn't like the laureates, probably your colleague in italy didn't like it because he is an independent journalist. vitaly's remarks to some of the other laureates maybe they were right and i understand that it's difficult to be liked by everyone, and publicists, writers , creative people, some like them, some don't, but there is a decision of an independent committee and there is a law and the law simply had to be carried out and that's it now the president has done it, it can only be congratulated. by the way, we always said that the president's proposal was the idea of ​​holding additional nominations related to

wartime creativity, and here in this decree that you and i read the issue of the national award of ukraine and taras shevchenko. there are no words about an additional nomination. it says that the rules for reviewing the two works of art that will be submitted for the taras shevchenko national award of ukraine are changing . this year, it should be awarded in 2024, but there are additional ones nominations around which there was a big conflict and in connection with what by the way, the resignation of a member of the shevchenko committee, they resigned in connection with the fact that someone did not sign and because they did not agree with the introduction additional nominations and then they said that these additional nominations will be next year, but they are not in the decree, as if there was no discussion about it at all, and even as if this idea of ​​additional prices for it was approved by the president during his meeting with cultural figures, so what is the question which still remains unanswered, well, he offered additional nominations , as far as i remember, at least that's what the former

chairman of the shevchenko committee declared . i think that the current decree reflects their views and it is fair, true and correct. let's talk about the hot topic. this week, the disqualification of our fencer olga harlan from the world championship , after all, now the issue has been resolved and she has been returned. she will be able to participate in the world championship, but the year of compression it is possible to congratulate remotely although i do not know whether our ukrainians will even want to congratulate russians in this way, however, mykola, your opinion about why sports on the international arena is still outside of politics, because at the beginning of a full-scale invasion. we saw certain movements of belarusians and russians thrown out, let's put it bluntly, from international competitions. however, then