[000:00:00;00] chairman and it may have different views other members of the committee they may also have other views i think that the current decree reflects their views and it is fair true and right let's talk about the hot topic this week the disqualification of our fencer olga harlan from the world championship but anyway, now the issue has been resolved and she has been returned, and she will be able to participate in the world cup, but you can congratulate remotely although i do not know if our ukrainians will even want to congratulate with the russians in this way, however, mykola, what is your opinion about why is sport on the international arena still out of politics because at the beginning of the full-scale invasion we saw certain movements of belarusians and russians thrown out let's put it so rudely from international competitions but then

they started to bring sports back into politics exactly what we saw now it was evidence of politics in sports because if sports were outside of politics, then everyone would perfectly understand that a citizen of a country that is subjected to aggression cannot greet a representative of the aggressor country who has never condemned this aggression and agrees to represent this country even speaking under a neutral flag eh so eh and for some reason they returned this handshake, i think it is obvious that the role of the russian oligarch osmanov, who used to head this fencing federation but remains there quite a bit , now the greeks and heads remained quite important, that is why these rules were made so that just before this championship

, before the arrival of the ukrainian women, the handshake recortist was returned. watch, in particular, the auditory speech of zhanna bolenyuka, they said that it was not accidental, that it was a deliberate provocation that was done, including with the participation of russia, another matter and there this situation is not completely resolved because they suspended this disqualification but did not eliminate it. so she will be able to speak and obviously that there is the head of this world olympic committee, he is also a fencer, just like our minister of youth and sports, a very famous fencer, he is not just a fencer, he is a member of one of the governing bodies of this international the fencing association is responsible there for in what way the work of the judges, i don't remember exactly what it's called, but definitely he should have foreseen this situation and done everything to prevent it from happening, but i think he had a hand in the suspension this disqualification and so that our female fencer could go to the olympics, we can only thank him for this, but definitely . to some extent, this is not his finalization, in

principle, we can talk now about the impact of thistle on the public and personnel the decision is so because they said that the minister of sports should resign, instead the minister of culture resigned . the position of the minister of culture in the current situation of the country, you know it is obvious that i am a positional politician and demand the resignation of all ministers of this government i demand and at the same time i understand that , well, we still live in wartime, and it would be better if they, on the contrary, worked for the unity of the government and the opposition, met with the opposition , consulted with the government, became real national evaluators, as leaders, they forgot about political er-e of different hair forgot about corruption moments, but now oleksandr tkachenko actually had such attempts in a direct , personally extremely critical speech towards him because shooting a movie

about povoroznyuk with state funds is of course over the top, so to speak, of cynicism in our countries, but despite this, i i understand that not everything that happens in culture is his fault because there is a majority - it is the majority that refuses to vote in the hall of the verkhovna rada on the law banning the activities of the russian church in ukraine, not tkachenko, it is the majority refuses to do this, obviously tkachenko represents this majority in the government, that is why i am for his resignation, but it is not only his responsibility, it is the responsibility of the entire majority of the government, which is elected by this majority by a mono majority, so they must all be responsible for everything that happens in culture, because my claims to tkachenko and their claims to tkachenko very often. unfortunately , they are different, because i ask tkachenko. why do you finance all these series, but i welcome some things from the reconstruction, for example, which were done by the ministry of culture? i support the selection funds for the holodomor museum, i wish it is important, and besides, i understand that the funds allocated to culture in our country are 0.28% of the budget, that is, less than a third of the budget in general, these are funds

that cannot be spent on the army, because our budget is structured in such a way that the funds that are spent for the army, these are funds from the taxes of the citizens of ukraine. and funds from western donors, which go to the budget without rules to spend them on military purposes, are funds that finance other areas, including culture. that is, you cannot take funds from culture and transfer them to the army, those who own these funds, our western partners do not allow it, forbid it, and it is obvious that the museum of the holodomor is very important in our time, we see how there is a wave of recognition of the holodomor as genocide everywhere in the world, precisely because ukrainians and people in those countries understand that this will become another page to strengthen our position in gas , when there is a trial against putin , another genocide is happening now - this is a tradition, this is not the first genocide against ukrainians and the previous genocide when the world will learn about it and ukrainians, including through the museum, will allow us to win the war faster, and everyone who opposes the holodomor

museum subconsciously wishes for ukraine to lose in the war, because this war with russia ended a long time ago, besides, if we did not allocate these 500 million for the museum now, and again after all, the president canceled this decree of his, so all the same, almost 130 million should be allocated in this case for its conservation, only this , and then allocate 500 again, that is , increase this estimate even more instead of completing the museum now, and if this is not done then billions of hryvnias that were invested there. and this is a modern building. what is the polish company nini i built? it was extremely well-known that built the warsaw uprising museum, the polish museum of polish jews, this is a very good company that creates museums that impress the whole world. when all the world leaders come, they remember , they would go too. all the world leaders would be aware of the tragedy that russia has done and continues to do. those who

oppose it are simply or do not realize or are enemies of ukraine or are misled. i think that the president, for example, was simply misled because he is a busy person, someone prepared such a project for him, the truth is that he still had some wishes regarding the improvement of this project, we need to see them, as i do not see, maybe they are quite normal, but obviously stopping this construction is absurd, because if everything that has been built now is not protected . money must be allocated for this too, then it will be destroyed and the jews built their memorial in 1953 and planned to build it in 1942 they made a decision in the 53rd year, the knesset voted unanimously for the construction of the nuclear building, which performs the same function of the memory of the victims of the genocide that the holodomor museum should perform in our country, people simply do not realize all this , thank you, thank you, mr. mykola, the people's deputy of ukraine was with us in direct contact, we will now have a short break, after which we will return vitaliy portnikov, as always, will

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of the wagnerites, i don't know. this is already the second campaign . to poland or the baltic countries, to vitaliy, this is an imitation in order to scare them or something. i think that the imitation was a campaign and the essence of this imitation was precisely fatigue, we talked about it in order to remove from vladimir putin the responsibility for any actions of the watchman and this is a continuation of the hybrid war, because you remember that when all these hybrid wars started in 2014, we often compare the ukrainian situation there with the georgian one, but my friend, the georgian situation in 2008, no one played any kind of hybridity there, russian entered absolutely specifically the army will protect the russian peacekeepers of the cis, and they relied on this legal moment, we have the cis peacekeepers there, you yourself gave them a mandate, georgia, and now you yourself are shelling them over scandavav, and our peacekeepers, and we protect them, but if they have already come, they have already protected them in such a way that they recognized independence south

session, however, they did not hide their participation in the conflict, and the then president of the supreme command to absolutely clearly take full responsibility for the fact that he sent the russian army to the region in 2014 was completely otherwise, until the last, until the moment of the annexation of crimea to russia, putin did not recognize the fact that russian troops were participating in the events and that in general additional units of russian troops were sent there, moreover, all the time, even after the operation, they talked about the fact that the russians actually exaggerated the number of those troops which could be in crimea according to the russian-ukrainian agreements, but according to the kharkiv agreements, it is also important whether in the kharkiv agreements viktor yanukovych increased the number of russian troops who could be there to be there, that is, it gave the black sea fleet the opportunity to become an occupation contingent, and in this way the occupation of crimea could even be carried out without violating

the existing agreements with ukraine. so, in this situation, this hybridity already began, then the next stage of hybridity, by the way, it is already connected with the rifle this donbas when the rifleman allegedly himself organized some volunteers who decided to go to the aid of the miners of donbas who are threatened by the nationalist , but we are talking about prigozhin and his wagne-rivers. the authorities, by and large, in 2014, strelkovu played exactly the same role that prigozhin can play now, the role of a saboteur who does not obey anyone, but some people have gathered. moscow, especially there , sympathizes with them ideologically, but it cannot influence their actions in any way. like the maidan, the maidan has already gathered spontaneously and people of other views have gathered there spontaneously anti-maidan, that was the idea and now we are beginning to realize that this

hybridity can be spread to nato countries, but this is very dangerous for putin, he he will get an answer he will get it in his teeth he will definitely get it by the day and i want to believe it is not against ukraine anymore they are some kind of provocation again after all when a real regular army came to ukraine and putin recognized that it was a regular army then ukraine began to receive effective aid true and what happened in the period of 2013 -2022 years we always said that there are russians there, there are russian troops and we had to prove it. we had to prove it . we were told no. the first on the day of this whole story, our then prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk talked about the russian troops, and there were politicians even in the democratic camp who, for

various electoral reasons, also liked to talk about separatists, and we even started to use the term, even the people who fought there talked about some scapers and i would also say that when you talk about yourself as a couple , in this way you give light to the completely opposite point of view, that there are some people who betrayed their homeland and simply moved there so they wanted to organize their republics they can be terrible. the people there are separatists, but the russians just help them, but they don't play a key role there. and it was the other way around. do you remember the film serhiy loznytsy donbass? it's quite a strong film. how do these people make fun of a ukrainian prisoner, lobnitsa showed everything perfectly , but he showed donbas as if this is where

you are, donbas is opposed to a ukrainian, this is donbas haha ​​and where were the russian soldiers in the conflict showed this as if it were alleged, but we would perceive more of our compatriots in the same way, but there they still live there in pairs, this is what he always asked, and from your point of view, is kramatorsk different from slovyansk and slovyansk from donetsk? donetsk from mariupol, all these conversations oh, you understand, mariupol is something else - it is pre-azov, and kramatorsk is not priazov, it is of course donetsk region, what is the difference between luhansk and svatov? and the event wanted already on this air, now imagine a situation of the same type in poland , why go so far? we saw something similar to in the belgorod region, when the russian volunteer corps entered shchebeking , the ukrainian military commander entered, we

have nothing to do with this, these people how with us they wanted to go to their home in russia they voluntarily wanted to go to russia and we don't respond to that we don't have it there we don't have it there why are they talking well, just like the russians, so do the washing well, imagine that wagner acts exactly like this a russian volunteer went to some polish village, someone was killed there, something was cut, border guards were killed, moravetski thinks that there will be a migrant story . i think that there will be no emigrants there, or the wagners will move to the territory of poland for 3 hours, let's say on p' it's just that someone will be killed there, something will be blown up, there is a russian flag on the finger, or the ensign can be and so they will put it on some local self-government body or on the post office , they will take a picture and go back. you have keep in mind that the reaction will be to the wagnerites themselves, but not to russia separately. imagine that you are the prime minister of poland, a marovetsian. well, yes

, the president of poland, duda, he is there. you need to count on the supreme commander. attack from belarus well, it's russian to me, as if to military personnel, but private, but private, we ourselves say that putin eats me keru, we all told this all the time, when prigozhyn was established, it means that he was released, not kai, the question when is it profitable for us to say that putin is weak because it pleases us, then putin does not rule handsomely. and when it is not profitable for us to say that putin is weak because his gang is already in poland, then putin immediately becomes strong and is responsible for the import. well, let's first agree among ourselves whether putin is strong or weak , because if putin organized this whole story and is organizing this whole hybrid war , so he is not weak, i am strong, he has become stronger and intelligent , that is why we consider the weak to be idiots, then we cannot react to wagner, only

sympathize with him, that we are in the same situation. what was he like when he was? it was difficult to say it correctly in ukrainian and to say it is what it is, and well, that is, it is czech , so typical, do you understand, is it a typical operation ? it is classic when the fsb board sits down and develops everything like a chess game step by step, you and i could not it's true to predict what will happen like this is too complicated, we studied, we are not obliged, we can, we tried, but we can evaluate it only by the development of events, we and now we know whether it will be like this, we will see if it is so, so the question arises what to do well, let's say our dear interlocutor oleksandr harith said that poland will not hesitate, she will attack the territory of belarus, and putin says that an attack on the territory of belarus is an attack on russia. well , according to the collective agreement, poland attacked the territory of belarus. this polish, polish equipment got into

some er, some belarusian settlement , or the russians didn't get there, they told the belarusians what happened, got into a residential building, and then russia itself to protect belarus they hit some polish military bases already russia is not wagner to protect belarus in response what to do next hit russia or hit belarus or hit no one it already looks like the beginning of the third world war of course it looks right it looks like the beginning of the third world war that is what it is, but then he realizes that he does not have the resources even in ukraine to fight now, and how to fight with nato countries, and with nato countries it is not necessary to fight with the usual means of mazur, including it is necessary to fight with nuclear weapons, the nato countries of russia have always prepared for just such a war. not at all before the war, commercial only it means that he is already ready to apply it if he goes, look here is this article by serhii karaganov and dmitri trenin, whom we also

mentioned, i have known serhii karaganov for 35 years since his youth, when he created this foreign defense council of the politics of russia. for his whole life, this man, as soviet and post-soviet, did not write a single line if this line was not needed by the authorities, he perceives political science in such a way that political science is the science of serving the stronger all the more, you know. i apologize for such fundamental issues as the use of nuclear weapons. we can assume that some crazy karaganov sits down in his office , smokes, gets drunk, says whiskey, as they say , and well, this is another mythology, and to solve an article about the use of nuclear weapons does not seem to me the writing of such stations this is how it looks like it is from a cockroach. there is a telegram channel offering an offer from a good friend somewhere there

, a colleague of the federal security service of russia or a colleague of the foreign development service, and this a man of some seriousness. and you just write here casually that we can even in poland nukes, he will like it. believe me, and kharganov feels with his nose that he is presenting this idea, it is not his idea, it is the idea of ​​putin or those around him, the idea is that we will hit poland with nuclear weapons, not ukraine, because we are not very interested in ukraine, because we will not understand how they will react, let's imagine that we hit the russians with nuclear weapons in ukraine, and america did not react. and what do we get from this

in our area and nothing because ukraine is not a nuclear state and not a member too and if the americans didn't react, well, they didn't have to respond, they had no obligations , they can, they can strike, it's a risk, but if they don't strike, we get no response because they are not obliged to react, but in poland they are obliged to react in essence, so if we hit poland or lithuania, it doesn't matter if one country is so good, and they don't react . we are just coral mountains, we can do anything whatever it was to do it straight go all in but for some reason, putin believes that he is definitely stronger than biden , that he can take risks. he does not believe that the americans will so directly and er risk nuclear weapons for the sake of europeans . this is a matter of faith, not knowledge

. how will they react, they will have no way out, world war 30 will begin well, i think so, i don't know, i would say so, but i think that when the americans are in such a situation, they will understand that if they do nothing, they will world from the state, the question is whether they are far away. are they close? they will simply end, you understand. they will end as a world power, and this is because tomorrow, you understand, china will all spit on america and it will simply disappear. well, automatically. and if you can strike poland with nuclear weapons, why can’t you go tomorrow? well, if they don't answer, why do they have to answer what i didn't answer here? that is, by the way, this is incredibly frightening to the russian elite itself

. serious ones who spoke against this very article of karaganov, they did not name karaganov. by the way, they said that they oppose the very idea of ​​the possibility of using nuclear weapons, that is, it turned out that there are some moments of insanity that scare even representatives of the russian political elite, so that they are ready to issue collective letters , they in principle, i will tell you that during the entire existence of this organization, it is a conditional organization, it is essentially an elite club of an elite club, no one has ever made public statements condemning the theses of the leadership so there is some kind of red line even they have. well, she understood because these people who will be able to believe that the americans are capable of responding and then you already know that all discussions are over because if you have a strategic nuclear missile in moscow, then it absolutely does not matter whether you are right or wrong and do you love the guy? do you love him or not? you just end up with everything, and

by and large, it's not surprising that we are exactly at the border of these events, we just saw this turn and suddenly entered it that putin is ready for hybrid actions, precisely for hybrid actions and that he specially arranged these hybrid actions in such a way that they wrote this performance as if it were a play. first, they launched this wagner in ukraine and made him a strong military formation. where were they in africa, then they provoked an alleged conflict between the ministry of defense and then said that this provoked the conflict, then they said that it was necessary to write contracts to sign with the ministry of defense of russia, that they were all united vertical forces , the wagnerites refused to sign the contract , and putin tried hard to convince that they

they refuse at first they refused, he supported the ministry of defense, they refused again, they started a riot, they agreed to go to belarus and he still meets with them , meets and tells journalists about this meeting, you understand, it's really like an amateur theater reviews, you understand, i met with them, i'm telling you guys sign the contrast with the ministry of defense and they are all yes-yes-yes to me, and the beauties who do not have them sit with a premeditation - he says no, they do not agree to this and they are all here imagine yourself here, put yourself on their place. you are some unfortunate commander wagner, a former officer of some fsb, through the foreign intelligence service, the president of russia, the supreme head or the armed forces, says to your face, sign the contract , everything will be fine with you, i assure you of everything , do it and you say, serve in one of the it allows you to go with your contract, well, it can’t be either. well, that is, this is a movie. it was even a circus, but putin needed it to tell

the conditional biden or the conditional duda. and what’s more here i am. i met with these people. i offered them to sign contracts. they refused. i don't control them. as you can see , we told you that they were dangerous criminals who wanted to seize a nuclear facility in russia . why did you laugh at us? one boat with you, let's make an agreement. you don't want these thugs to go, and there are nazis there. nazis are definitely going to poland. we don't want to go to poland either, but let's go with other nazis, that is, we put the button , you understand. if you change, yes, if you stop helping these nazis, and we all together with you will destroy these nazis, that's why we will live in a peaceful and happy world. well, poland will agree with this. i'm sure not , but it is not yet the only country of the european union and will rely more on the states. it will not

agree. well, everyone will agree . listen, no. we must think that you and i are the only intelligent people who are watching this in american politics today. in the white house, they have already understood everything. it is clear. when murovetske talks again about this safety of provocations, pushovers, etc. this means that that everyone already understood everything, for a long time it was like this, you know. i would say confused , what happened to this swag, what was it at all , now it is clear what it was. when lukashenka comes to putin and speaks in front of the cameras , you also know how a person who learned his role taught they gave me a piece of paper, she studied it, and the field answered, i can't hold them, oh, no, they want to go on an excursion , what am i telling them? and what are you doing? you understand that lukashenko was never a good actor