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sponsor and become part of the community with with you, vitaly portnikov, and we will discuss the main events of this week , vitaly portnikov and top experts , about the most striking events of the last seven days . forecasts in the project information marathon with vitaly portnikov every sunday at 20:10 on espresso war in ukraine the main topic for ukrainians victory and losses analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics serhii rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday

to friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 we continue the program, the saturday political club and our guest, ihor semegolovets, the director of the middle eastern studies center, congratulations mr. ihor , greetings, greetings to the panel. well, let's start with what is happening now between russia and turkey a few weeks ago. many believed that the president of turkey would already be its party member, if not for the conditions of russian president vladimir putin to continue the so-called grain agreement, then at least he will be in contact with the russian president and discuss the situation with him, week after week there are no soft contacts between the country's presidents we don't even know is it true or true that vladimir putin is visiting turkey for a visit, because if there is a confirmation on this matter from president fdogan, the kremlin never said that the president of russia is going to where he is going, so it is absolutely true and i i think that this problem was known from the very beginning, and these are the warnings

that force putin to stay only in russia and not to travel abroad. i think this is a circumstance that seriously complicates his foreign policy activity, and it is actually a meeting between data and putin is under great threat. and in general, ertogan is too optimistic. in my opinion, he also broadcast messages about the possibility of restoring the grain agreement first, and then about the beginning of the negotiation process with putin, in my opinion, for turkey , now is such a time x ... the moment of acceptance

decisions, and this is a very uncomfortable situation for yorda, because the least he wants to do now is to make a decision. we see that russia's strategy , russia's strategy, consists in delaying the return to the grain agreement as much as possible. during these three months, russia will do everything in order to destroy ukrainian potential and minimize the possibility of ukraine returning to this grain agreement in general . to offer something ortogan, well, obviously, so far not, i think that now in ankara , in an expert environment close to ertugan, they are trying to review certain approaches and develop a new strategy

that will possibly be less er-tolerant to russia , and there are certain things about this signals that the expert environment is closer to the body is now starting to talk about a just peace and is moving away from those efforts or those positions that they occupied just a few weeks ago writes about the fact that the head of the kremlin vladimir putin proposed an alternative initiative according to which qatar will pay in moscow for compliance and delivery of russian grain to turkey, and turkey will then distribute the alleged harvest among countries that need it. but this option has already been criticized by many experts, mr. igor. as you see, is it possible or sufficient russia's grain and whether the issue is not only in the quantity , nor is there enough grain in russia, but this proposal

is not the first, it has already sounded from the mouths of russian officials, they have already offered this option to a boat and to turkey, they refused as far as i know, this time they also refused because the issue is not actually to supply grain to the world market, but the issue is stable - in the stable operation of the grain market, that is, that there are alternatives to supply yes from different countries, which are actually designed to stabilize this market ukrainian grain is the key one of the key players in this market, that is, the presence of this grain is also about it, we hear about it not only from the side of the boat there , e. that there is no grain in africa, and the problem is that thanks to ukrainian grain, the grain market

is stabilized and is at an acceptable level, which allows them to ensure grain security . and if there is a 10-15% price increase, which is predicted, then this it is not beneficial for putin either because the leaders of the african countries will start to pressure him, they are already asking him questions, yes, you understand . if we are talking about putin, how ready will he be to respond to requests and to this pressure, we know his behavior his behavior is that he never, he doesn't uh, hmm, let's say he doesn't make concessions under pressure , and that's not a very constructive position. well, if you want to achieve some kind of result, but the path is uh, now financing, and he just

doesn't can act, he needs to be squeezed from the european union by the united states of america, that is, those countries that have imposed sanctions on russia, for concessions and he does not see any other option than blackmail, therefore, in my opinion, he will continue this policy and at least as of now most likely, he will ignore these calls or try to explain how he did it at the africa-russia summit, and by the way, quite critical remarks were also made there, including rather harsh statements by african leaders that the grain of e-

this is not a handout, this is not a rattle, but africans need a stable market and they have the opportunity to dig, buy, buy grain in other markets, but they really need grain stability in this situation . the people's republic of china by the way, they say all the time that they would like the initiative to continue, they criticize russia for withdrawing from this initiative , even china is publicly criticized, the un security council said that it is necessary for this initiative to continue, but there are no political consequences of this criticism, all relations, the level of relations with look, we read what the president of the kormor islands and the head of the african union, assalia somani, said. he said that the african union demands an extension of the black sea vision initiative that this is a question of food stability and stability in african countries, and during the meeting with vladimir putin, it was this russia that africa called his friend brother and said that if

russia wins, africa will also win, this is a quote. well , if you say that, then it is absolutely not interesting. generic initiative or not. you can be ignored with all your concerns . this is exactly what you are doing. russia is doing it. some of these african countries have stopped being heavily dependent on china , and some of these countries are in a filestate situation, they are ready to take from anywhere and without looking, as they say, in the eyes of those who give and in the hands, and therefore in this regard, africa and africa are

not so let's put it this way african countries are not those countries that will rely on the principles of morality and observance of international law at least, they will be very pragmatic eh and eh criticism on the one hand there is criticism without a doubt, we see that it is practically large number of african leaders do not came because after the first one, exactly when they expected a large amount of investment to increase direct investment in the economy of these countries, this did not happen, but at the same time, we must understand that africans currently do not play a significant role in order to seriously influence political decision- making at the international level, will there be, by the way, the russian federation regarding

the grain agreement, because china itself is one of the largest exporters of our grain and is in the top 5, in particular, over the last year it was the largest buyer of oil, corn, barley, us first of all, i am interested in the public manifestations of dissatisfaction or the public reaction of china, and this public reaction is not enough, well, by and large, we have heard certain statements, but they are, let's say, of such an optical nature, then there are non-public statements, if they were heard, we know little about them at all china's policy , and especially with regard to russia, is closed , what happens there behind closed doors under the carpet , it's already possible, uh, american intelligence knows, but definitely not us, so it's hard for me

to say whether china will insist, well it is obvious that the situation before the start of the war, before the war, china actively bought grain both in ukraine and in other countries, obviously understanding that there would be a war, or knowing that there would be a war , and for a long time, they were satisfied with this grain as long as this grain initiative did not work again, china can compensate russia for part of the grain, it can get part of it from other markets. the same latin america, by the way, soon it will be possible already part of it from india, well, possibly from india, here i am i will not, and they say a small specialist, how much trade between india and china with this grain is large, but india is without a doubt a major player in the grain market. so, in any case , he can wait for a certain time, that is, this

lag is about how many periods of time about which many say is the three months that putin allocated for the achievement of his goals in the framework of this operation in the black sea , probably china can satisfy if we talk about the situation related to russian-chinese relations in principle here is the fact that russia ignores the chinese desire to preserve the black sea zone initiative, it may indicate that many people in the world overestimated the influence of all these amps on putin. well, yes, this often sounds eh in assessments eh. i think that here too by and large i have never been a big supporter of the fact that russia is in complete vassal dependence on china, rather china uh-uh rather uses russia uses russian

uh-uh fro-frontmanship yes that is, it is that russia comes to the fore a and china can be in the shadow of russia and if it doesn't take a serious look at it and prepare itself in silence for its strategic tasks , and even in this sense, i think that the situation can actually be described as yes, that is, china is not satisfied, china would like to continuation of the grain initiative, but china , as of now, at least for a certain period of time , apparently agreed with russia, will not carry out any divarshes in order to force russia to return to this initiative after a certain period of time, when it becomes clear

by the way, china can play this role, that is, if you look, thanks to us, russia has returned to this initiative, but nevertheless, we will obviously have this story within three months. he disappeared a month ago, it is not clear what happened to him, and now you have officially appointed her as the minister of foreign affairs, where he was a year ago, in general, he has a strange situation , and it is even more strange that ihor is very close to china, the press there, the media are like that exactly like tea the post is known to be a hong kong newspaper which, as a rule, reflects the official position of china in such a way. i would say that in a civilized, cautious manner, she also said that the story with the gypsy minister is a draft law of the people 's republic of china. she is serious. it may reflect on china's reputation in international relations , but no one has yet explained that everything

well, it happened, well, to be honest, i also can’t explain to you what happened, because china’s internal politics , first of all, it’s not my business, and secondly, it’s a secret under many seals, so what what happened there and why did such a demotion suddenly happen, yes, because they are, in fact, he held a position that was a little more powerful than just being the minister of foreign affairs, that is, he was largely in charge of foreign policy at the politburo level. and what happened now, well, it is difficult to say it can be assumed that, as they say, as they sang, he previously left doverie, yes. that is, beria took him there and left doverie, that is, it is possible that the situation here is just that, by the way, the soviet union had

an absolutely identical situation when, after several months of his tenure at the ministry of foreign affairs, dmytro shipilov was removed from this position. do you remember there was a young party functionary who promised so much , the minister of foreign affairs? here he was transferred . i didn’t understand the world. what happened ? why is such a promising young minister removed from his post, and here this tsyligan is very similar to a young whisperer, maybe the times are different, but maybe they studied in china, maybe this is due to the fact that foreign policy is very important for syntenpinnya and is a very important element of curatorship . some political moments well, i actually wanted to say or amaralka

, which actually did not lead him to tsegonder , well, listen, you know very well that if a person is needed, everyone turns a blind eye to any of his actions, you turned out to be, uh, the circumstances turned out so that amaralka may have worked right now a tell me, let's finish by talking about the story of the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the so-called victory of the dprk in the war between the south and north korea and the trip. then , serhiy, it does not surprise you at all that north korea is still celebrating some kind of victory in the war , although in fact it was defeated, to be honest with end well, it's not surprising, it's not surprising, because they still have to celebrate in these a-a totalitarian regimes where war is peace and behind the eagle, then in principle you can

celebrate any defeat as a victory, brother, you don't take the rest for russia russian empire crimea paraskov the crimean war was quite well celebrated as a little bit like the victory in the crimean war, yes. that is, why not? why not do it? this is the only thing that they have, er, heroic epic, and it is connected with the ruling dynasty, which they use without a doubt. this victory and this event are used to maintain a certain level of hysteria in society. thank you, ihor samovolov, the director of the middle eastern studies center, was with us as a communication channel. and we are moving on

. mr. mykola, congratulations now, let’s wait now, then what will we wait for people’s deputy mykola knyazhytskyi. and for now, i will announce what exactly we will discuss, because there are many hot topics . first of all, i want to congratulate my colleague vitaliy portnikov, he finally officially became a laureate of the shevchenko prize, and the president of ukraine signed and published the decree is about it directly and how much time has passed for vitaly , five months seems to have been unmoved. to be honest, a lot of time has passed. and the opinion of people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi about why the president dragged it out for so long. whether it is related to certain political motives or not, we don't know. we will also discuss the fact that we can already. mykola let's start with the elections .

it's strange that we shouldn't have talked about it at all. i think that during the coming years, you don't know, because we don't know when martial law will be lifted on the territory of ukraine . it has just been extended for another 90 days . obviously, there are all the prerequisites to believe that can be extended for the time being as long as the history of the russian -ukrainian protest continues, no one knows where the end of this confrontation will be today. perhaps he is lost somewhere in the 20s-30s of our century. and now it turned out from the words of the speaker of the ukrainian parliament, mr. stefanchuk, that the constitution does not prohibit holding elections during war, but only the law on martial law prohibits it. although i remember exactly, you know, there were times when the constitution was carried with me to all television programs by our deputies and politicians, etc., and i was also forced to read many times i remember that it generally says that the powers of the verkhovna rada elected before the state of martial law and the state of emergency are terminated exactly when the state of martial law ends and the powers of the new verkhovna rada begin, meaning

that it was already elected after the abolition of martial law and the state of emergency as thus, you can contrast the constitution as a document that allows elections to be held during martial law. no, you can . the verkhovna rada will continue to function. will continue to work, everything can be more of course. well, this is absurd because the question is not whether the constitution allows or forbids . in fact, there is no rule in the constitution that elections cannot be held during martial law , but it is said that the verkhovna rada, as you correctly said, was elected before the declaration of martial law. of the state continues to work until its end , well, you understand that in principle it is exactly the same and any constitutional court for anyone to give you exactly such an interpretation, but the question is different even if someone wanted to conduct elections now during the war, it is legally and technologically impossible, because the choice should represent a wide range of all voters in our country, many voters are abroad

, we have adopted a law according to which we have open lists in this law, including the occupied territories of ukraine, it turns out that they will not be, but in leonid territories close to the contact line are also in other territories, how to hold elections based on open lists when there will be disproportionate representation, since many people from the east went to the west came how will those people who are abroad vote, how will the military vote, because they cannot go to their district and vote for their candidate, and voting on the front line is also probably not very convenient when you are being shot at, to put it mildly, so it is not even a question because the chairman of the verkhovna rada said what he did not say, and because during such a full-scale staff war that we now have to hold elections that are recognized by the world , it is simply impossible, but on the other hand, our western friends are also saying that we need some ukraine should shoot the elections as a democratic state, who are you from that conflict

, well, no one says that, you once twisted the words of coke, it seems that the representative of the council of europe took a piece from them, he had he then corrected himself and said that he obviously meant after the end of the war, we really democratic state but as i already said , we can't hold elections now, even technologically, we can't, either under the old law or without answers to all the questions i said, the 7 million people who left have nowhere to vote the embassy is not enough for this, in other words, there are more questions and the elections are not ready, and i do not know how they can be held during martial law, which is really martial law in connection with military operations. because it is possible to declare martial law or martial law, it is more correct to say so correctly, and at the same time, military actions will not take place. there will be, for example, a frozen conflict, in such a situation, this also contradicts the constitution, but it can be found

. it is impossible to make us an active phase regarding the elections, we heard, let's move on to other topics, i will still ask what i started with and what worried me about the laureates of the shevchenko prize and mr. mykola . why do you think, after all, he could not introduce the president for five months the decree regarding these laureates and still, determine them for the year 2023, because the commission decided five months ago. well, first of all, i also wanted to join you in congratulating mr. vitaly, your colleague, on the awarding of the shevchenko prize, and it is a great honor for me now, mr. vitaly speaking and knowing him for many years, so i sincerely congratulate and believe that this is, of course , the biggest award for every ukrainian, but i believe that it will definitely not be the last, because there are many other awards, too . readers say hello, get to know each other on the streets, wait for every video blog of every program of yours together with angelica, and this is probably

the most important thing for every creative person , as for the award itself, well, listen, i don't know why this happened, i can only guess. we remember that for a very long time alone the shevchenko committee did not announce the winners, we all knew about them, but they were not announced, and later, when public pressure began, they announced the winners , but resigned because they said that there should be several other nominations. this was against the rules. see this decree, it is not called a decree . about the awarding of the shevchenko prize, as it has always happened, and it is called the question of the national prize, and it consists of two parts, which you are now showing here is a list of laureates, which once again are all to one i would like to congratulate, and then right there it is said that a new shevchenko committee is being created, and you don’t have this second part, but it is part of the same decree, which is made up of many honorable people, and obviously one gets

the impression that why is it in one decree that those honorable people are most likely she did not give her consent to be included in the shevchenko committee until the shevchenko prize is awarded, until the decree on the awarding of the shevchenko prize is issued. and to destroy the shevchenko prize, which has a huge tradition in ukrainian culture, in general, the government will not dared, that is why they did it in such a single decree, that is, the new committee, no one would have gone to work in this committee if the award had not been awarded. therefore, i think it stimulated the president to award the awards. and why did he not want to award it and did not award it as they demand it our legislative acts on taras shevchenko's birthday, march 9. this is more of a question for the president's office, but what was heard in the press was that someone from the president's office did not like the lavraats, apparently your colleague in italy did not like him because he is an independent journalist some people didn't like the other laureates, i heard a lot of comments about other options, and maybe some

of these comments are not related to vitaly to some of the other laureates. maybe they were kind of right and i understand that it's difficult to be liked by everyone, and publicists, writers, people-creators, someone likes someone no, but i am the decision of an independent committee, and there is a law, and the law simply had to be implemented. and now the president has done it, it can only be congratulated. by the way, we always said that the president's proposal was an idea to hold additional nominations are related to wartime creativity , and this decree, which we read with you , deals with the issue of the taras shevchenko national award of ukraine. the taras shevchenko national award of ukraine this year, so that it could be awarded in 2024, but there are additional nominations around which there was a big conflict and in connection with which, by the way, the members resigned shevchenko committee they resigned one connection because someone did not sign

and because they did not agree with the introduction of additional nominations and then said that these additional nominations will be next year, but they are not in the decree as if there was no discussion about it at all and even as if this idea of ​​additional nominations was not approved by the president during the meeting with cultural figures, what is the question that still remains unanswered, well , he offered additional nominations, as far as i remember , at least that's what he stated the former chairman of the shevchenko committee and now the chairman may have different views, other members of the committee may also have different views. i think that the current decree reflects their views and this is fair , true and correct. the world championship , after all, now the issue has been resolved, and she was returned, and she will be able to participate in