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[000:00:00;00] were born with the introduction of additional nominations and then they said that these additional nominations will be next year, but there is no decree as if there was no discussion about it at all and even as if this idea of ​​additional nominations was not approved by the president during his meeting with cultural figures, so what else a question that still remains unanswered, well , he offered additional nominations, as far as i remember, at least that's what the former chairman of the shevchenko committee stated. now there is another chairman and he may have different views other members of the committee may also have different views. i think that the current decree reflects their views and it is fair, true and correct. let's talk about the hot topic this week . she will be able to participate in the world championship, but
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you can greet remotely although i don't know if our ukrainians will even want to greet the russians like that however, mykola, what is your opinion about why sports are still on the international stage out of politics because at the beginning of the full-scale invasion we saw certain movements of belarusians and russians thrown out let's put it so roughly from international competitions but then they started to bring back, well, sports just in politics exactly what we saw now this was evidence of politics in sports because if sports were outside of politics, everyone would perfectly understand that a citizen of a country that is subjected to aggression cannot greet a representative of the aggressor country who has never condemned this aggression and agrees to represent this country even speaking under a neutral flag, yes
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what uh and for some reason they returned this mouth-squeezing, i think that it is obvious the role of the russian oligarch osmanov, who used to head this fencing federation, but remains there quite a bit , now the greeks and heads have remained quite important, that is why these rules were made such that just before this championship, before the arrival of ukrainian women they returned the handshake and it so happened that all ukrainians became rivals representatives of the aggressor country women men very many and many people watched in particular zhanna's auditory performance the patient was told that this was not accidental, that this was a deliberate provocation, which was done, including with the participation of russia, another matter, and there this situation is not completely resolved because they suspended this disqualification but did not eliminate it. so she will be able to speak and it is obvious that there is the head of this world olympic committee, he is also a fencer by the way, like our minister of youth and sports, a fencer is very famous, he is not just a fencer, he is a member of one of the governing bodies of this international
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fencing association, he is responsible for what the method for the work of judges, i don't remember exactly what it's called, but he should definitely have foreseen this situation and done everything to prevent it from happening, but i think that he had a hand in the fact that, after all , this disqualification was suspended and that our female fencer was able to go to the olympics for that, you can only thank him, but definitely this is to some extent not his finalization, well, in principle, we can talk now about the influence of any on the public on personnel decisions, so because they said that osonera has to resign, the minister of sports, instead, the minister of culture resigned, there is no sense in the position of the minister of culture in the situation in which the country is today, you know, it is obvious that i am a positional politician, i demand the resignation of all the ministers of this government, and at the same time, i understand
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that well, after all, we are living in wartime and it would be better if they, on the contrary, worked for the unity of the government and the opposition met with the opposition , consulted with the government and became a real national evaluator. corruption moments now and alexander tkachenko, in fact, such attempts were directly personally extremely critical of him, because shooting a movie about a povoroznyuk with state funds is of course the height of cynicism, so to speak, in our countries, but despite this, i understand that not everything that happens in culture, it is his fault because there is a majority - it is the majority that refuses to vote in the hall of the verkhovna rada on the law banning the activities of the russian church in ukraine, not tkachenko - it is the majority that refuses to do so, obviously tkachenko represents this majority in the government, so i am for his resignation, but this is not only his responsibility and the responsibility of the entire majority of the government, which is elected by this majority by a mono majority, so they must all be responsible for everything that happens in
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culture, because my claims to tkachenko and their complaints against tkachenko very often. unfortunately , they are different, because i ask tkachenko. why are you financing all these series, but i welcome some things from the reconstruction, for example, which were done by the ministry of culture. i support the allocation of funds for the holodomor museum, i wish it was important in addition, i understand that the funds allocated to culture in our country are 0.28% of the budget, that is, less than a third of the budget in general , these are funds that cannot be spent on the army, because our budget is structured in such a way that the funds spent on the army are funds from the taxes of the citizens of ukraine and the funds of western donors that go to the budget without the right to spend them for military purposes are funds that finance other areas , including culture. that is, you cannot take funds from culture and transfer them to the army, those funds are our western partners this is not
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allow, forbid to do, and it is obvious that the museum of the holodomor is very important in our time, we see how the wave of recognition of the holodomor as genocide is spreading all over the world, precisely because ukrainians and people in those countries understand that this will become another page to strengthen our position in gas, when by putin, another genocide is taking place - this is a tradition, this is not the first genocide against ukrainians , and the previous genocide, when the world will learn about it and ukrainians, including through the museum, will allow us to win faster in war, and everyone who opposes the holodomor museum subconsciously wishes for ukraine to lose the war, because this war with russia has been going on for a long time, besides, if we did not allocate these 500 million for the museum now, and again , the president canceled this decree of his, it would still be almost 130 million should be allocated in this case for its conservation, only this and then allocate 500 again, that is, increase this estimate even more instead of completing the museum now, and if this is not done, then the billions of hryvnias that were invested there and this is modern
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the building that was built by a polish company is extremely well-known that built the warsaw uprising museum, the polish museum of polish jews is a very good company that creates museums that impress the whole world . all world leaders would also be aware of what a tragedy they have unleashed and russia has done and continues to do now. here are those who oppose this, either they simply do not realize it or they are enemies of ukraine or their they are misleading i think that the president, for example, was simply misled because he is a busy person, someone prepared such a project for him, the solution is there, the truth is that he still had some wishes regarding the improvement of this project, you need to see them, i don’t see them, maybe they are quite normal, but obviously this construction should be stopped this is absurd, because if everything that has been built is not protected now, money must be allocated for this, too, then it will be destroyed and the jews will have their memorial. i built two things in 1953, and i will plan them in 1942. in 1943, they made
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a decision in 1953. knesok voted unanimously in favor of the construction of a larger one, which fulfills the same function of commemorating the victims of the genocide that the holodomor museum should fulfill in our country. people simply do not realize this. thank you, thank you, mr. mykolaivska. now there will be a short break, after it we will return vitaliy portnikov, as always, will comment on the most important events of the week , a headache is bothering me, there are discounts on kopacil 15% in pharmacies . the solution was so simple problems with gums lacalut-active lacalut-active actively overcomes bleeding gums, protects against periodontitis and visibly tightens the gums lacalut active the action you feel immediately the novelty lacalut active
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in order to be scared or something. i think that the imitation was a campaign and the essence of this imitation was precisely fatigue, we talked about it in order to remove from vladimir putin the responsibility for any actions of the watch and this is a continuation of the hybrid war, because you remember that when all these hybrid wars started in 2014, we often compare the ukrainian situation there with the georgian situation, but from the second georgian situation in 2008, no one played any hybridity there , the russian army entered absolutely specifically to protect the russian and cis peacekeepers and they relied on this legal point. we have cis peacekeepers there. you yourself gave them the mandate, georgia, and now you yourself are firing at them over scandavav, and our peacekeepers, and we protect them, but if they have already come, they have already protected them in such a way that they were recognized the independence of the southern session, however, they did not hide their participation in the conflict, and the then president of russia, dmitry medvedya, the supreme command, absolutely clearly took
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full responsibility for the fact that he sent the russian army to the conflict area in 2014 , it was completely different. the so-called did not recognize the fact that russian troops are participating in the events and that in general additional units of russian troops were sent there, moreover, all the time even after operations spoke about the fact that the russians actually exaggerated the number of military personnel who could be in crimea according to the russian-ukrainian agreements, but according to the kharkiv agreements, it is also important whether in the kharkiv agreements viktor yanukovych increased the number of russian military personnel who could be there, that is, he gave the black sea fleet the opportunity to become an occupation contingent, and in this way the occupation of crimea could even be carried out without violating existing agreements with ukraine. hence, in this
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situation, this hybridity was already beginning the next stage of hybridity, by the way, it is already connected with the riflemen. this donbas, when the riflemen allegedly self-organized some volunteers who decided to go to the aid of the miners of donbas who are threatened by the nationalists , we are talking about prigozhin and his wagmarites. by and large, in 2014 , the riflemen played exactly such a role. which prigozhin can now play the role of a saboteur who obeys no one, but some people have gathered, moscow, especially there , sympathizes with them ideologically, but it cannot influence their actions in any way, they somehow they are arming themselves somehow, they are organizing an uprising there. well, in principle, like the maidan, the maidan has already gathered spontaneously and people of other views have gathered there spontaneously, and anti-maidan was such an idea, and now we are beginning to realize that this hybridity can be spread to nato countries, but this is very dangerous for putin, he he will get an answer he will get it in the teeth
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for sure he will get it i want to believe it is not ukraine anymore they are some kind of provocation again when a real regular army came to ukraine and putin admitted that it is a regular army then ukraine began to receive effective assistance, the truth. and what happened in the period 2013-2022. we kept saying that there were russians there, russian troops were there, and we had to prove it. we had to prove it . we were told no. troops and i remember exactly what we will say there from the first day of this whole story, our then prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk talked about the russian troops , and there were politicians even in the democratic camp who, for various electoral reasons, also liked to talk about the separatists
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and we even started using the term, even the people who fought there talked about some kind of trappers, and i would also say that when you talk about yourself as a couple, you thus give light to the completely opposite point of view that there are some people who betrayed their homeland and simply moved over and wanted to organize their own republics there they can be terrible. the people there are separatists, but the russians just help them , but they do not play a key role there, or vice versa. do you remember the film serhiy loznytsy donbas, a rather strong film. but who is it about? was not yours was about the population of donbas it was so separatist we saw how these people laugh at the ukrainian prisoner loznytsia showed it all beautifully but he showed donbas as if this is where you are donbas opposed ukrainian this is donbas and where were the russians soldiers in this conflict showed allegedly allegedly, but we would have more of our
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counterparts with you also perceive it that way, that's where they live there, all the apparatuses for these manifestations asked and from your point of view, is kramatorsk different from slovyansk and slovyansk from donetsk donetsk from mariupol all these conversations oh you understand mariupol is something else - it is preazov and kramatorsk is not priazov it is of course donetsk region what is the difference between luhansk and svatov well now it is clear it is nothing but we ourselves wanted to live in this myth and the event wanted already in this broadcast, now imagine a situation of the same type in poland that it is far to walk here. we saw something similar to in the belohorod region when the russian volunteer corps entered shebekin , the ukrainian military commander entered we don't have anything to do with these people
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. how did they want to go to their home in russia ? they wanted to go to russia voluntarily. just like this russian volunteer, they went to some polish village, they killed someone there, they cut something, they killed the border guards, but the moravians think that there will be a migrant story. i think that there will be no emigrants there, or they will move to the territory of poland. for 3 hours, let's say for five, someone will be killed there, something will be blown up, something will be burned, there is a russian flag, or maybe the wagner flag will be placed on some local self-government body there or at the post office , a photo will be taken and you will go back. you mean that the reaction will be to the wagnerites themselves, but not to russia separately, ot imagine that you are the prime minister of poland, a marovets well, yes , the president of poland is a dude he is the supreme commander, you need to count on what about
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wagner in belarus or in russia from which place an attack was carried out from belarus, well, by russians, as if to military personnel, but privately, but privately, we ourselves say that putin eats me keru, we all told this all the time, when prigozhyn was arrested, it means that he was released, not kai, the question. when is it advantageous for us to say that putin is weak because it pleases us? putin does not rule handsome and when it is not profitable for us to say that putin is weak because his gang is already in poland, then putin immediately becomes strong and is responsible for the import well, let's first agree among ourselves whether putin is strong or weak because if putin organized this whole story and is organizing this whole hybrid war, then he is not weak and strong, he has become stronger and intelligent , that is why we consider the weak to be idiots, then we cannot react to wagner, only sympathize with him that we are in the same situation that he was in when it was difficult to say it correctly in ukrainian and to say it is what it is and well, that is, it is czech, so typical, do you understand the typical or bone operation
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, it is classic when the fsb board sits down and develops everything like a chess game step by step, we you really couldn't predict what would happen like this, it got too twisted, we studied, we are not obligated, we can, we tried, but we can only evaluate it based on the development of events, we and now we know whether it will be like that, we will see if it is so, then the question arises what to do well let's say our dear interlocutor oleksandr said that poland will not waver, it will strike on the territory of belarus, and putin says that an attack on the territory of belarus is an attack on russia. well , according to the collective agreement, poland struck on the territory of belarus, the wagners, in this polish, polish equipment, got into some er, some belarusian settlement or didn't get there, the russians told the belarusians what happened, got into a residential building, and then russia itself, in order to protect belarus
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, hit some polish military base , not russia, but wagner to protect belarus in response, what to do next, hit russia, or hit belarus, or hit nobody, it already looks like the beginning of the third world war , of course, it looks like the right thing, it looks like the beginning of the third world war is what it is, but then he realizes that he does not have the resources even in ukraine to fight now, and how to fight with nato countries, and with these countries it is not necessary to fight with conventional weapons, it is necessary to fight with nuclear weapons, nato countries and russia have always prepared precisely for such a war. i am not at all conventional about war, only this means that he is already ready to use it if he goes to the article of serhiy karaganov and dmitri trenin, whom we also mentioned.
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to the defense policy of russia. for his entire life, this person, as soviet and post-soviet, did not write a single line if this line was not needed by the authorities. he perceives political science in such a general way that political science is the science of serving the stronger. the more you know. i apologize for such fundamental issues as the use of nuclear weapons we can assume that some crazy karaganov sits down in his office, smokes, gets drunk , says whiskey, as they say, yes, and well, this is also an alternation of mythology, and it’s up to me to decide the article about the use of nuclear weapons, the writing of such an article does not look like that, it looks like it is from a cockroach , there is a telegram channel offering a proposal from one and a good acquaintance somewhere there, a member of a colleague of the federal security service of russia or a member of a colleague of the foreign development service, and this person is kind of serious. and you
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in general, write well, it’s just so incidental that we can press nukes on poland, he will like it believe me, kharganov feels in his nose that here he is, here he is presenting this idea, it’s not his idea, it’s the idea of ​​putin or those nearby, the idea is included in because we will hit poland with nuclear weapons, poland is not ukraine , because we are not very interested in ukraine, because we will not understand how they will react, let's imagine that we hit the russians with nuclear weapons in ukraine, and america did not react and what do we get from this we have in our area and nothing because ukraine is not a nuclear state and not a member too and if the americans didn't react, well, they shouldn't have reacted, they had no obligations , they can, they can strike, it's a risk, but
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if they don't strike, we don't get none answers because they are not obliged to react, but in poland they are obliged to react in essence, so if we hit poland or lithuania, it doesn't matter which side they are on, and they don't react. we are just coral mountains, we can do whatever you want, go straight to the bank. but putin for some reason believes that he is definitely stronger than zabaidena, that he can take risks. he does not believe that the americans will be so straightforward about taking risks with nuclear weapons for the sake of europeans . this is a matter of faith, not knowledge. he is so sure , but it is very interesting. americans are really them far away, i think that they will react, they will have no way out, world war 30 will begin. well, i think so, i don’t either, you know, i would
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say so, but i think that when the americans are in such a situation, they will understand that if they won't do anything. they are like a world power. the question is whether they are far away or close. they will simply end, you know. they will end as a world power and this is for them because tomorrow china, you know, everyone will spit on america and it will simply disappear. well, automatically. and if you can strike a nuclear weapon in poland, why can't you do that tomorrow, well, if they don't answer, why should they answer there that they didn't answer here? that is, by the way, this is incredibly frightening to the russian elite itself. rather serious ones who spoke against this very article of karaganov , they did not name karaganov. by the way, they said that they were against the very idea
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of ​​the possibility of using nuclear weapons, that is , it turned out that there are some moments of madness that even the representatives of the russian political elite are intimidated so much that they are ready to issue collective letters ; in principle, i will tell you that during the entire existence of this organization, it is a conditional organization, it is essentially an elite club, not an elite club, no one has ever made public statements condemning theses e -e leadership means there is some kind of red line even with them. well, she understood because these people who will be able to believe that the americans are able to answer and then you already know that all the discussions are over because if you have a strategic nuclear missile in moscow, it doesn't matter whether you rule right or wrong and whether you love putin or not. it just all ends and by and large , it's not surprising that we are right on the border of these events, we just saw this turn and
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suddenly they got into him that putin is ready for hybrid actions specifically for hybrid ones and that he is special for these hybrid actions this is how he designed and what does it mean to me this play was written just like a play see first they launched this wagner into ukraine and made him strong they were in africa, then they provoked an alleged conflict between the ministry of defense and said that there was a conflict, then they said that it was necessary to write contracts to sign with the ministry of defense of russia, that they were all united vertical forces, the wagnerites refused to sign the contract, and putin tried hard to convince them that they were refusing . at first they refused, he supported the ministry defense, they refused again , started a riot, agreed to go to belarus, and he still meets with them, meets and
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tells journalists about this meeting, you do you really understand what amateur theaters look like? do you understand? i met with them, i tell you, guys, sign the contrast with the ministry of defense and they are all yes-yes-yes to me, and the beautiful woman who doesn't have them sits with a second thought - she says no, they don't agree to it and they all show yourself, put yourself in their place, you are some unfortunate commander wagner, a former officer of some fsb, through the service of external development, the president of russia, the supreme head of the armed forces , says to your face, sign the contract , everything will be fine with you, he has provided you with everything do it and you say you serve in the same if prigozhin doesn’t allow it, then you go with your contract, well, it can’t be either. well, that is, this is a movie. it was even a circus, but putin needed it to say later to the conditional biden or the conditional duda. why am i here? i met with these people, i offered
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them to sign contracts, they refused, i don't control them. as you can see, we told you that they were dangerous criminals who wanted to seize a nuclear facility in russia . why did you laugh at us ? in the same boat with you let's agree. you don't want these thugs to go and there are nazis there. nazis will definitely go to poland. we don't want it either, but let's do it with other nazis, that is , we put it, you understand. let's destroy these nazis, that's why we will live in a peaceful and happy world. well, poland will agree with this. i'm sure not , but it's not yet the only country in the european union and will rely more on the united states. it won't agree. well, everyone will. listen, no. you have to think that you and i are the only intelligent people who are watching
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this in american politics today. in the white house , they have already understood everything. it is clear. when muravetske talks again about the safety of provocations, this is another thing. this means that everyone has already understood everything. here is a long the time was like that, you know. i would say confused, what happened to this swag, what was it at all , now it is clear what it was. when lukashenka comes to putin and speaks in front of the cameras , you also know how a person who learned her role learned, but they gave her some piece of paper, she studied it and the field answers, i can't keep them, oh, no , they want to go on an excursion, what am i telling them? and what do you want, what? ani, well, i 'm keeping them, vladimir, i'm keeping them, as we agreed there . was never a good actor, he is a good actor in his own way, maybe i am better than lukashenka, but unfortunately we depend not on me, but on him, and this is how it all

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