[000:00:00;00] the positive directions of our strike, and the directions of the main or auxiliary strikes that are now emerging in the direction of bakhmut and in the southern direction in the area of ​​zaporizhzhia region on berdyansk and on melitopol thank you very much eh ivan varchenko an experiment on national security issues we sorted out what is happening on the fronts more or less i would draw the same conclusion as the former film, which was released a long time ago, about russians , pro-russian generals, you can say stupid , stupid, but now we are talking about international circumstances it's not us, we mean it , valery chaliy ambassador of ukraine to the united states from 15 to 19 years, ukrainian diplomat well, i will somehow help to understand what is happening in ukraine and the world, first of all , in the world, because diplomats here are the greatest specialists

than some journalists, for example, i still see mr. valery chalogu, i see mr. valerichalova. thank you for finding time for us , mr. ambassador. look. thought, but this is already the last two days from the word combination saudi arabia, a meeting of 30 countries and and and a conversation around who will come and who will not come, what decisions can be made and so on and so on and so on and so on, what would you say about this initiative and regarding this meeting in to saudi arabia, and this is treason or victory, i would even use such simple words as such, such, such. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine . glory to the heroes now to play initiatives around

the so-called for peace, and you and i know very well that well, those are the conditions that russia is trying impose through various structures this is essentially the capitulation of ukraine, the surrender of part of the territory, it is impossible to do because it is even prohibited by the constitution to do so, that is why they still insist today at the official level once again there, the deputy head of russia said the nuclear threat, and with reference to a specific article that they even in the conditions of a successful counteroffensive they will think, they will prepare to apply, well, that is, all this has somehow been going on for more than a month, and that's why i think that saudi arabia

is a little different to take. here, the russian accent is there it won't happen at all and they don't expect it at all, but i still want to expand the format of the discussion to those countries that used to, well, like saudi arabia , let's say, participated in the exchange of prisoners there , have contacts with the russians, there are other countries not of the rammstein format that want to take advantage of situations here and there right now absolutely no one needs it except for putin, so , in principle, i can’t say what will come out of this , because, for example, the same one that was planned by ukraine was issued for peace, well, it seems that it is not happening now or not there was a preparatory meeting in europe, maybe this meeting saudi arabia well, somehow it will be one of the components of the rapprochement of such a great discussion

of the ukrainian peace formula, look, mr. ambassador , but here is an important question, that is, as i understand , the discussions are going on with these zamirists who are for peace , it is definitely around such a gdr, frg do i understand them correctly, that is, the war stops at some point, some part remains for russia , as the gdr at one time left for the soviet union , and the other part, that is, we are vyak kharkiv odesa-lviv remains for ukraine well, then we wait for some number of a-a years or decades until it means to weaken to such an e-e point that russia will unite , as it c- actually happened in the late 80s and early 90s

x years ago, it was as if the main formula of the peace from the zamirists, let’s call them that, i asked how many formulas you can’t understand, even the tables are already made like that eh, you are not the only one that all these earthlings, as a rule , do not vote for ukraine on onegin’s eh decisions, or at least eh i want to demonstrate the so-called remoteness - this is china, for example yes, that is, well, i will say that in this case my position is this , i already said that only the united states of america can be the mediator here, as a result, in the end, it is the mediators. in nato, like germany, and yes, there are a lot of such conversations with experts. they only didn’t do one thing, they were ukrainians, they asked uh , basically it comes out, you know, or with those ukrainians who are now there

abroad with knowledge of positions in old posts before them, they were there in different teams, they participate and discuss russians, as a rule, there are also good russians there, only there are no experts from ukraine, and that ’s the problem, because any expert from ukraine i can give very specific examples of why they all don’t take off all of them history , that is, there were already parallels, similar situations in ukraine as well, including that is why i say the basic principle is that our solution will be ukrainian. it will not be analogous to korean or german or vietnamese or whatever it will be ukrainian because our circumstances are very different. on the one hand, they want to destroy us, and on the other hand, this is done by a nuclear state, and here there are many such nuances. it is possible that

the situation was acute in the east german democratic republic. i agree . but until they imagine this, how can the people of ukraine accept the return of a part of the ukrainian territories, that's all for now. all the more so, i say that it is enshrined in the constitution, that is, without changes and the constitution comes out. whoever does this will be a state traitor and must be immediately put in prison even i agree, but on the other hand, it is also written in the russian constitution that kherson and zaporozhye and donetsk crimea, everything in the world, is also included in the constitution so that it cannot be reversed , and all those who deny it are yes, but my question is different, see valery my question is this: somewhere, somewhere, five days, maybe seven days , it is quite active. it started, maybe i didn't notice it, it was just

discussed earlier that this is a purposeful effort by the americans to greatly weaken russia on the one hand, and it may allow ukraine to leave on its constitutional borders, but not to allow the weakening of such a weakening of russia, which would simply erase this russia from the world map, but either or 10-15-7 other countries appeared there, as far as it can be true that the americans are conducting a very neat, very careful politics, supporting ukraine, but not giving ukraine the opportunity to quickly and finally seriously defeat the russian federation. well , the first part is about the fact that

it is not only the americans who do not see russia after the war. this is probably a general attitude. we see uh. here, uh, people on the street will tell you that they want there to be from the ocean between there, poland, europe , ukraine, the baltic countries and china to there, well, such uh , in fact, more uh, realistic models there, where muscovy saha yakut ichkeria, but i don’t see it that way in the west. if we take mainly discussions, then they don’t touch on this issue. it’s only possible that this consideration is starting, and this is indeed the case in some countries. i know that in the coming months there will be such serious measures to discuss the fate of russia, but this is only the beginning

. therefore, it can agree with the second thesis that we they are specifically restraining, i would not say that this is being done specifically to restrain ukraine from such a victory there. i would say that they are not investing enough of their resources to make it happen faster. yes, this is true and we must speak honestly about it. this does not mean that we thank you or do not understand that without this huge help , it would be very difficult for us to overcome the asymmetry of relations with a nuclear state, but i do not see enough time to invest the power of resources that could really create new conditions. well, we can see it perfectly now and everyone we already understand that it would be if those weapons, which well, they say, i don’t know, it wasn’t there, or it was difficult to find everything there, you can find it. if it was already here in ukraine, the situation would be really different, therefore, in principle, it cannot be transferred

to partners, allies, our main opponents are thieves - the enemies are known to everyone and they are creating er, that is, this pressure, or they are now turning into er, not running there, but a gradual retreat, i am retreating well, what putin admitted by the way but yes, i agree with you that there are such things that can be explained logically from the point opinion of a ukrainian expert it's very difficult, but i have a question like this: devil's advocate. i'll tell you now whether it is taken into account by the european , well, american intellectual circles, and maybe in these circles they will then advise somewhere in the white house or in the congress. let's not forget that in march of the 22nd

year, the discussion in ukraine of officials and ordinary citizens was such weapons , let's close the sky in nato, it's not necessary , the ukrainians themselves said, we don't want to join nato, give us weapons, and i'm sitting. nato and before since 1991, somehow, between the drops, they want it, they don't want it, then let's not give it, and it seems to me too. well, you know, when the estonians immediately said that we want to join nato, just in the first second of independence, then the estonians are already there, or the poles, or a if ukrainians until last year said that some part wants it and the other part doesn't want it, some ministers are against it, and so on and so on and so on , what do you say, how does the behavior of the ukrainian authorities in ukrainian society affect the opening of these doors to arms

, money, aid to ukraine, so that they wider opened up, we described the situation that was in ukraine until 2014 why on the 14th because even the position of the authorities, i will remind you that it was returned to the strategy of membership in nato and the european union, a clear decision visa-free regime that is, everything was already clearly chosen and the number of people who supported the accession to nato grew even in numbers until the 22nd year, if there had been a referendum, it would have been the majority of the population of ukraine. that is, the polls can rise, although there were somewhere around 32% in favor, and in those days there were still 16. well, if by the 14th year and you are right, this figure increased dramatically in the 22nd, that is, now practically it is not even the overwhelming majority, it is almost everyone who is surveyed

, very few people do not understand what a security umbrella is and why ukraine needs it in relation to the authorities. i also believe that the situation in 14- the year changed, i don't remember any minister of the governments of that time who were against euro-atlantic integration. something, i don't remember such ministers from the 19th. well, i also think that before the clear statements of president zelensky , there were some such majors and some you can't figure it out he was a euro-atlantist until the 19th. and he is so flexible, neutral, some kind of conformist. and why did the same people who were super euroconda of the previous government do it? now they have corrected themselves. when zelensky said to

nato, they all went to nato, now they don’t you will find fronds there but but internal discussions if this was all the discussion and last year they proposed a document like this one. by the way , putin is shaking and showing it to everyone, i said then you are making a mistake, you are giving the russians putin the argument that he will then cover it with us, what were the conclusions no me they just banned this er-e shmarafon from the air. that is, why is it called that because it’s already enough, because i need this military censorship, political. i’m sorry, it’s not necessary . well , it ’s done on television. private ones, yes, they just banned them, specifically, i don’t have the ability to access those channels except yes, well, that’s a different topic, but others are already forming. 30 seconds and a half a minute was last

year, in principle, they were sharakhans, but now thank god they are not there, that's why we don't have any fears now that the ukrainian government will follow the path of these tricksters, there is a clear direction of the member state . it would be possible to push us here without our consent. thank you very much valeriy chalyi and the ambassador of ukraine to the united states from the age of 15 to 19. thank you for finding time for us . i am just asking my colleagues now. advertising and we have nataliya plaksienko-butyrska expert on east asia master of foreign policy mrs. nataliya i haven't seen you yet, but now i hope to see you and now there is an advertisement well, you see, it's difficult , not like that, it's still significant so now with advertising and

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we will see her now good health ms. detalya thank you for finding time for us thank you for the invitation and here this is my first question, and it is very international, philosophical, or even said, look, there is a country called china. china loves russia. there are some not very good relations between the united states. there is also such a thing. an organization like brics, i.e. brazil, russia, india, china, and uh, this is uh, south africa . well, we can imagine that china will try to form a kind of anti-western coalition together with russia, because it has been said for about a year that

there will be a bloc, uh, well of course, like those countries that call themselves civilized, western europe, japan, australia , new zealand, and there are countries that do not like those countries that call themselves civilized, russia. china would not say about india. as if there are already economic and financial hints that we trade with friends, you have heard about it, seen and read what if there are hints that we trade with friends and we don't trade with friends, what do you say, this is possible, this is two such blocks on on on on on on planet earth well, in fact, these two main blocs, the united states of america, are very tightly bound together and, above all, they cannot separate from each other, no matter how much they want to, at least

in the near future, because last year more than 700 billion trade turnover between these two countries and moreover, despite the political turmoil between them, as with you, this trade turnover is growing, however , the countries understand that it is difficult for them to live among themselves and they are trying to build such a path to competition, but still the train of civilization , whatever it may have led to, did not lead them to war because it will mean a war and an economic gap is very painful for these two countries . therefore, for now, the united states is trying to separate china technologically , first of all, not to give it the opportunity to be technologically advanced in technology the next generation, what about the sale of semiconductors there and, in general, investments in china, after all, it is not so easy

, for example, for the united states to pledge its company to exit, or to separate from er from china. to form, but it is very difficult for them, as for china itself, it is a country that used to be a pole for itself and entered into foreign relations separately only within the limits of its own interests, now it understands that it it is necessary to have such poles, to have such organizations on which it had a serious influence. and then it will be able to form a certain kind of competition with the united states as on the way to global china has two organizations in its hands, a security one and an economic brics, where it is trying

to advance calculations in yuan and now allegedly and on time because russia is under sanctions. it is looking for a way to settle and the yuan uses an active plus within the bridge. it was agreed that they might have their own currency in addition to that in brics has its own bank, a new development bank that emerged in the 15th year, and to the country of these five countries, they dumped 100 billion dollars for in equal parts. the bank, the bank, where the highly developed countries are failing, specifically the big seven, but you know what the problem is with this guy , he is not strong enough yet to challenge these strong countries, and when we talk about investments in russia, he does not make these investments

more than the official one, he announced that he will not investments in russia in connection with the sanctions, as well as russians, he can use dollars and this joint bank, again because it is limited, that is, not everything is so simple, not everything is so clear-cut as far as china itself is concerned. well , of course, he would like to take on all these countries to make such comfortable markets and investment conditions yes but he also has certain weightmen with certain ambitions within this organization and in particular india , which to some extent is an obstacle to such a positive sense, we can say for everyone organizations where it is present because it manages to be and, for example, the structure of such an american is directed, for example, to something where it is not friends with half and in brics , and therefore, for example, when china said that let's expand this brics, again , i wanted to include as much as possible in it

more countries from the so-called global rooster , for example, saudi arabia is asking for indonesia, argentina, and so on, 20 more than 20 countries are asking for brics, so india says well , let's make the rules first. will he whether or not to join this five, or will they be in some other status , and because why? because india understands that china wants to raise this organization and it is not at all interesting to her, there is brazil, which also says that let's be a little slower everyone under what conditions will organizations join, and for example, last year when it came to argentina's desire to join , brazil was a little against it because they have the same markets . it's very interesting.

geopolitically strategic, but there is british law and also british law, first the rules, then according to the rules, do we accept or not, and hindus are just such people who , ok, there are no questions, but first the rules, but here is my question, and maybe it is such a national game, there is a ukrainian game between the drops, maybe i am like that would be the design of relations between the usa and china when the economy is working, trade is going on , certain technologies are transferred, certain technologies are not transferred, and in politics it is like a semi-cold war. there is no doubt that the americans go to beijing just to everyone and talk and smile and and and official and unofficial and some already. and all this is very much just on the economic

plane . yes, but trade continues, exchange continues , american students, or rather chinese, go to america and so on and so on, that is , it is possible that we are friends here, and here we are not friends, well, at least we see on today that such a form is produced because, unlike the cold war, which was between the united states of america and the soviet union, when the two systems were completely separate and not connected , they could build such a wall and live purely in such a military-political antagonism, it does not depend on whether two countries are economically so, such as china and the united states , apart from the fact that they are interconnected

, apart from the fact that there are trans-atlantic companies that they put pressure on governments that don't want to lose, for example, we see this even in the case of russia, let's say yes. and there is also a third dimension - these are the countries of the world that are very seriously connected both by the united states of america and with china , because china is a trading partner for 120 countries of the world in any case, the number one partner is the big markets, and that is why many countries of the world, including myself, are even partners of the united states. they say that we do not want to choose a side, so no matter which one , for example, the ambassadors of the united states go to the asian region, for example, to a summit of the 10 leading countries, even in certain conversations with japan and south korea, we can observe that despite the fact that politically, for example, they fully support the united states, to some extent , they are in tense relations with china , in trade relations they are trying

to find a certain foundation in how to cooperate with china, because the big companies of these countries, such as samsung, lg , etc., do not want to leave china completely . well, accordingly, this already creates a problem for governments and that is why, in my opinion, they are now finding such and such a platform on which they can cooperate, it is not easy and that is why they choose such an approach. let's start with the level at which we can cooperate. all of us are the debt obligations of developing countries. this is our common problem in this macro-economic process and the world because , for example, for most countries with a debt burden, china is actually the country that lends them money, 60% of the debts it is the chinese and european countries