[000:00:00;00] there is a certain foundation in how to cooperate with china, because the big companies of these countries , such as samsung, lg, etc., do not want to leave china completely . how they can cooperate is not easy and that is why they choose this approach let's start with the level at which we can cooperate climate yes let's talk about climate and cooperate because it affects all of us debt obligations of developing countries so this is our common problem in this macro-economic process and the world because, for example, for most countries with a debt burden, china is actually the country that lends them money the most, 60% of the debts are chinese and european countries

, the united states, they are about this math one more important question, very important , you are just talking about this at the very beginning, i would like to develop this thesis of yours that china worked for this is a thing in itself, and now it is trying to enter the broader international and we understand that all of zinkov is one of his so-called strategies, and is there china's potential, what i mean is that they are not trained in them, they are not able to, and western countries know how to negotiate, western countries understand the word compromise, western countries okay , let me back off a little here, you back off a little there and somewhere here we will meet, the chinese did not have such a tradition until recently , and even this is the latest story with the minister of foreign affairs, among other things, well, we don't know, because everything is closed there, but it's not healthy

, uh, chinese diplomacy can't do it for a month therefore, appoint in a month, dismiss quietly, well, conditionally, a month, yes. to what extent are they able to simply build bridges and make friends and trade with the world with these 120 countries, it is definitely easier to borrow money than it would be, well, to co-exist amicably , this is a question of a challenge, you are a challenge, they learn from it but the first thing is that they chose china for themselves. well, we all hoped and contemplated that this is a pragmatic country focused primarily on the economy, on cooperation and on economic profit , and in this, too. we saw them in, so to speak, as the opportunity to cooperate with them or somehow find points of understanding because they have at least something to cling to, unlike russia. yes, this is an interest, but unfortunately, from

our point of view, countries that are uh, are inclined to democracy and ukraine, which defends democratic norms, everything - the chinese form of this international order, which they actively promote, can be said to be very unacceptable , because china really gives a lot of money to those governments that have absolutely no democratic features, and it is easier for them to get along with these governments and on the one hand, china says that it does not interfere in internal affairs , it does not matter to them what laws are in force there and whether there is democracy or not, the main thing is for business to work, on the other hand, we see that this country is very powerful and very influential and we see how they, for example, support when they need the north korean regime or, for example , the iranian regime, how they surround themselves with these regimes, the russian regime, because thanks to the support of china, we still want to

, we see that russia is on a serious i am floating and unfortunately he still creates an alternative for dissatisfied anti-westerners or anti-democrats and therefore, unfortunately, he has the prospect of finding an approach with money and this political understanding of his, and this is to some extent a challenge for democratic countries, because thank you very much, everything was explained very well , i am terribly satisfied i really like experts who not only know something, but can explain it, and nataliya plaksienko-butyrska is one of them , the east asian express question. thank you very much, well, a year ago, a year and a day ago.

in fact, the execution, i would even say the defenders of mariupol, they were in a deer park, and one of the houses - one of the houses where the ukrainian prisoners were taken, the very one that was defending mariupol was completely burned from the middle and 50 prisoners died and 130 were wounded, so this is public execution, as dmytro lubinets, the commissioner for the rights of the verkhovna rada, e.e., human affairs, said, now we will watch a plot about the story of the heroes of mariupol who were in the deer park on that terrible night when, as i said, 50 people died and 130 were wounded then there will be commercials

, and then we will come back and talk a little about sports . that i do not want god that he is really alive and then you just want to take everything and throw it away and run to that hospital to him just to be near this moment a full-scale military war met mariupoli where exactly served there with his unit, they held the defense, in particular, and at azovstal, the man left the territory of the metallurgical plant, like the rest of the soldiers, only after the order and ended up in enemy captivity, according to the documents, it is written in me that he was released as a prisoner of war on may 17, 2022. that is, it turns out that it was the second day and evacuation, they were brought to a deer shelter in a former correctional colony, then contact with relatives was cut off, the woman recalls a bad feeling before the terrorist attack, she was not until the end, she hoped for a quick exchange

on the morning of july 29, news, terrible footage, you understand that something happened there, our prisoners of war are staying there at night, but on july 30, i opened the lists and saw that a man was in the list of the dead and in the list of the wounded, and it was indicated that two of them had to go to the hospital. faith remained, that is, every day you thought about it, your husband is at home, besides his wife , a little daughter is waiting , the last time the child saw his father was when the moon was full. he once wrote to me in an e-mail that he wished. this is a song specifically about our girl and us, another relative of the captives . the public organization united so that no one would forget about the terrible terrorist attack in the deer park. the families

created a petition asking the president to agree to the days of mourning and commemoration of the defenders . executed as a result of a terrorist attack in colony number 120 this year. you can do more to him, but you can't do a tenth of what peter did, this is how the defender of azovstali , petro huk, remembers his commander and brother. a year ago , the man died in the olenivka colony they buried him only a month before the anniversary of the tragedy, his relatives believed to the last that he was alive and rejected the information from propagandistic russian sources. when the lists were made public the next day, that is, on july 30, honestly, our family did not even look at them. we could not even think that he would be there. we we were so sure that he had this

exchangeable status and he would be deceived and somehow just an uncle who had been lucky all his life and we believed that in this situation it was some kind of dacha that would also help him. petro was a participant in the revolution dignity and in 2014, together with his friends, he moved to mariupol, that when you met the newly formed azov regiment with the beginning of a full-scale war, before the order to lay down arms, the man held the defense in azovstal and even in captivity, petro several times found the opportunity to secretly call his closest relatives , later, the uncle called several more times and he talked to us for literally 30 seconds and told us that he had lost 35 kg of weight, that they were being fed . well, as in some pioneer camp , he was also interested in what his status was, since

he had a status for exchange and he was waiting for the fact that he will be exchanged later, the calls from captivity stopped and his relatives read the terrible news about the terrorist attack in the reindeer herd, then complete obscurity and continuous searches for the bodies of those killed in the deer herd , the russian side handed over the entire lengthy examination in october 2022, and only after 11 months ago, the family confirmed the death of peter's niece, benzezhyt. why exactly was her uncle , together with almost two of his brothers , transferred to barak a few days before the explosion . this is the most important question . why was the uncle placed in this barak?

why did they drag out the dna process so much, they couldn't even say goodbye, looking at the uncle, because he came, er, his body came to the barn in a closed place and to look. they could because the body was completely covered in burns , and it has already been the 11th month. petro huk is officially the only lviv resident who died. he was buried on the lviv field of mars next to other heroes. ukraine managed to return 54 bodies of defenders who died in the deer park. but russia never provided lists

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the fund's information defense project open politics and the minister of youth and sports of ukraine from the 14th to the 19th year and it will be interesting for us to talk about whether sport is outside of politics or sport is not outside of politics while they are trying to find mr. igor and he is already here and now they tell me that he is already there so igor zhdanov project manager of information information defense of the fund open policy minister of youth and sports from 14 to 19 years old mr. igor good health thank you for finding time for us so you hear us no you don't i absolutely don't hear you and we hear you and you don't hear us that's it this is wrong. well, now they will try not only to see you, but also

to hear you, unfortunately, unfortunately , i have to call you back right away. has to do with politics. we have seen in my life when , for example, the ussr national football team refused to play in the chilean stadium, where democratically minded people were tortured after the coup and the military pound and pinochet simply. they did not leave. we remember how civilized the so-called countries of the first world refused to go to moscow for the olympics in 1980 after the moscow army entered afghanistan, and the next time in 1984, when the olympics were in los angeles, the socialist countries did not

go to the united states except for romania a sign of protest that you didn't come to us then we didn't come to you now we won't come to you that's why it's strange to talk about that port outside of politics, especially with regard to the fact that our famous olympic champion olga harlan got into a huge, let's say no discussion, and if the international olympic the committee somehow began to twitch to come up with something that we would be against now we are for now we are giving a ticket to the olympics in paris yeah but there disqualification is not disqualification is shorter less with that but the most important the most important question is simply that the same between no olympic committee, that these officials or these athletes. i listened to the so-called good russian liberals who

said that sport is not outside of politics, and i and the athletes should decide for themselves whether to go somewhere , not to enter, it is not necessary to decide for them, i imagine how come russian athletes can decide for themselves when putin decides everything for them, but there are chinese athletes when the communist party of china decides for them . well, there are many, many, many other such examples , that is, it is obvious that sports and politics cannot disconnect but is it possible to take some steps to ensure that there is some , this is my question again, repeat the citizens, the project manager , the information defense of the fund is open to politics , the minister of youth and sports, 14-19 years old, and if he hears us, we see him and he does not hear us sees doesn't hear yes or already hears already hears and sees perfectly

mr. igor so, minister, please tell us there are, because give some hints about the discussion about the fact that sports cannot be outside of politics, the entire history of even soviet and post-soviet sports shows that they are not theirs cannot be separated, but this slogan still continues, sport outside of politics, how is sport outside of politics, when some countries ignore kada and other countries and other olympics, there is a pen, and it is not a pen, it is there. the federation allows not to pen, and there the federation disqualifies the fact that someone did not vouch for someone, and then the head of the international olympic candidate no, we will give you a ticket to paris for the paris olympics please excuse us ms. olga harlan and so on.

sports just somehow start thinking in the direction that sports cannot be separated from politics, what do you think about it well, you are absolutely right to ask all these questions, they are absolutely and i talked about them starting from the 14th year and proved here in ukraine when it was also accepted. i was also told by the leaders of our federation, many sportsmen who now, by the way, take an absolutely patriotic position, then they had to prove and show that sport is the concentration of politics, it is the sphere of promoting one's own political interests through sport and so on and so on. now it seems to me that in ukraine, all of them understand all this, and more athletes and most of the officials understand. but i think that even in the international olympic committee. everyone understands that sport is politics , but they all understand that sport is

a big funds are a big business and therefore they attract funds over money fail over sports interests over political interests and so on and so on, but our task of our national olympic committee is the ministry of youth and of sports to initiate this discussion and prove that sports do not exist outside of politics and a vivid example is the latest case, this is olya harlan. new facts with this supposedly neutral athlete from russia , she signed there that she should not support this racist army , declare about some symbols and so on

, and what she posted on instagram, what kind of person is she on a neutral athlete, this person is about the political, military and political interests of russia, that's why there is no sport outside of politics, and we have to put an end to that. games, but here we go again . i'm like you. it's like i 'm watching sports. but this again says that the ministry of youth and sports, or whatever it is called now, is not working well. it is called because of the fact that what you are saying is that the officials of the ukrainian sports ministry should find some group of countries and at least talk to our closest friends balts and poles to somehow jointly promote the idea that we need to come up with some new rules. because it can't be like that. an aggressive country, which

according to the un version is aggressive, there is a decision, there is a vote, but now it has started to be mute. i'm not like that. i'm waiting for the tram. i'm not here at all. does war mean there, or is it like politics, e-e, sports outside of politics, ai-e -e, they want to exclude us here. it’s not fair. figure skaters, footballers, everyone is offended, just me. but is it possible to duplicate it, i don’t know, but it seems to me that the ukrainian ministry of e-sports does not lobby does not do enough because it is also a front. as with the example of olga harlan, we saw that it is also a front and on that front we must fight and not sit. well, i am also not happy with the work of the ministry of youth and sports of ukraine. i am not happy with the work of such a public organization, the national olympic committee of ukraine because we are engaged in reactive movements there, that is, we react to events

instead of carrying out, as is now the expression, such military forming operations that we are currently engaged in in the armed forces of ukraine in the east of our ukraine, we must determine agenda we must shape trends and not react , as is often the case with us now, that's why there is a question about neutral sportsmen. i think that the minister should meet with all the heads of our national sports federations. let each federation understand what neutral sportsmen are now being declared by russia and belarusians to participate in international competitions . well, for example, the boxing and wrestling conditions there are not important to analyze after that, so that

these federations put a single person there who simply took screenshots from facebook instagram, what other social networks are there, and if there is, and i think there is a lot of material today, the armed forces of aggressive russia, which is carrying out aggression against ukraine, support the relevant material to international federations, because they are not neutral athletes, the second place is the sports coalition minister, let them be with us. for some reason, president zelenskyy was able to form a tank coalition and another coalition and an aircraft coalition there with a colleague for alkaline with other people with the public with pressure and a sports

there is no coalition, although they told us that they won't give us howitzers, they won't give us anything, they won't give us tanks, well, they didn't give us planes , but i'm convinced that they will, and you 're right here, nobody knows if we'll be able to achieve a result. and if we sit in ukraine, nothing if you don't do it, the result really won't be 100%. you need to get up from your very beautiful chair, go to meet with the relevant ministers of our allies, with the heads of the national olympic committees baha and prove that the athletes are neutral. no, no, not neutral, one last question. i'm sorry for interrupting you with an important issue, but look, i completely understand the presidential administration. there is no time to do sports.

i don't believe that the sports leadership of ukraine is capable of going anywhere, i just haven't seen any initiative. and then the question arises, if not the president, what else could be the road to change the leadership nifiga doesn't do the only question, this is the only way . you are from the public . the question before the prime minister about the resignation of this political figure, these are the legitimate ways to solve this situation , what is it, just, do you remember

the european olympic games recently they took place in poland, there was mr. gutsaev, the minister. he said that supposedly there are 30 countries supporting us, well, 30 countries are supporting us, everyone who was there at these european olympic games is great, what's next? well , we need to organize this support and turn it into something material, for example , a ban on pseudo-neutral athletes perform at competitions and spoil games , sorry we still have questions about the church thank you ihor zhdanov project manager information defense fund open policy and the minister of youth and sports of ukraine from 14 to 19 years really, especially the history of spain olga harlan discovered that we can't organize sports again, and it's also a front, another front that we'll

talk about with yuriy kovalenko, a priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia of wisdom, which, as i now hope, to see him and i have a lot of questions for him p yurii thank you for finding time for us and this is the question we talked about with you about this question and maybe even more than once but it is important for the 155th time to say the head of what is called the uoc mp of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate onuphrius did not accept the priests who asked to break with the russian orthodox e-e church , they came to them, they did not open the door, they did not come in, they did not talk, so that it means well, listen well no, i don't, i don't understand. i understand that the church is always very conservative, what kind of reform changes are these decades, while everything